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turin · 05-29-2018, 12:52 PM

No brainer trading for #4 this yr imo.

Underdog · 05-29-2018, 08:34 PM

@IsaacLHarris: On ESPN’s live mock draft, they have Michael Porter Jr. going 15th to the Washington Wizards

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-29-2018, 08:37 PM

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@IsaacLHarris: On ESPN’s live mock draft, they have Michael Porter Jr. going 15th to the Washington Wizards

Click bait...unless his workouts/interviews have gone laughably wrong.

But click bait.

Underdog · 05-29-2018, 08:41 PM

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@IsaacLHarris: On ESPN’s live mock draft, they have Michael Porter Jr. going 15th to the Washington Wizards

@DallasMavsWorld: Woj says Nuggets might try and package 14 along with Kenneth Faried to shed salary.

Enter the Dallas Mavericks (hopefully)

Underdog · 05-29-2018, 08:59 PM

I seriously doubt Porter slips past the Bulls under any circumstances, but I'd still be totally interested in taking on 1 year of Faried to get the #14 pick.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-29-2018, 09:12 PM

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I seriously doubt Porter slips past the Bulls under any circumstances, but I'd still be totally interested in taking on 1 year of Faried to get the #14 pick.

We could pick MPJ and Robert Williams III. I'd be down with that.

Underdog · 05-29-2018, 09:28 PM

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We could pick MPJ and Robert Williams III. I'd be down with that.

That's one option... Lots of SGs around the #14 spot too... Also might be able to package 14/33 and move up a few spots to grab Bridges... Or package 5/14 and move up to grab Ayton. Lots of options if we can get another lottery pick.

BPo001 · 05-30-2018, 08:21 AM

Is Faried still serviceable? I'll take him for a year. Maybe he can help our rebounding woes.

sefant77 · 05-30-2018, 09:06 AM

Faried makes 14m, it would kill our cap space...dont think its worthy. And Porter slipping to #14 would mean his back is seriously fucked

mac222b · 05-30-2018, 09:08 AM

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@DallasMavsWorld: Woj says Nuggets might try and package 14 along with Kenneth Faried to shed salary.

Enter the Dallas Mavericks (hopefully)

Yes please.

hayth.james.g · 05-30-2018, 09:15 AM

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Faried makes 14m, it would kill our cap space...dont think its worthy. And Porter slipping to #14 would mean his back is seriously fucked

Who cares about cap space? We are rebuilding and destined for 2-3 years of mediocrity.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-30-2018, 09:16 AM

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Faried makes 14m, it would kill our cap space...dont think its worthy. And Porter slipping to #14 would mean his back is seriously fucked

Other than BSPN, nobody is talking about picking Porter at 14. You pick Porter at 5 and someone else at 14. For people going ga ga over Capela, well, you could feasibly just draft a better shot blocking version of him in RWIII at 14.

Faried only has one more year on his contract.

mac222b · 05-30-2018, 09:17 AM

Assuming there is someone they really like who they think will be there around 14. Can get one of the best of the second tier wings there.

mac222b · 05-30-2018, 09:20 AM

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Who cares about cap space? We are rebuilding and destined for 2-3 years of mediocrity.

I feel the same way. I hope this doesn't devolve into another Cuban shortcut offseason. Build towards a future contender. We are SO far from that. Young, athletic, cost-controlled, position flexible players is the way to go

Bryan_Wilson · 05-30-2018, 09:44 AM

1 year at 14m for the 14th pick is a no brainer to me. It doesn't hurt FA plans in 2019 and helps us build to the future. And as UD said you could maybe package and move up into the top 10 if there is a guy who falls that we like. Not saying Porter but who knows, someone always goes later than expected. I'm really not in love with anyone in this free agent class anyway tbh. We like 6-7 guys in this draft maybe you package it and a future pick to get to 7-8 if one of those guys slides since next years class is significantly weaker.

sefant77 · 05-30-2018, 11:23 AM

But it kills the 2018 FA. We are some of the few teams with cap space. Everyone seems to forget about it and compare it with the past plan powder years

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-30-2018, 12:02 PM

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But it kills the 2018 FA. We are some of the few teams with cap space. Everyone seems to forget about it and compare it with the past plan powder years

Because hoping that some star is going to come to dust and shit is a fool's errand. It's a near impossible sell to say hey we got DSJ and a completely unproven 2018 rookie...come aboard!

It doesn't work like that. Sure, there might be a player or two you could entice, but relying on it is exactly what plan powder was. Mavs need to gather young assets above all else.

mac222b · 05-30-2018, 02:37 PM

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Because hoping that some star is going to come to dust and shit is a fool's errand. It's a near impossible sell to say hey we got DSJ and a completely unproven 2018 rookie...come aboard!

It doesn't work like that. Sure, there might be a player or two you could entice, but relying on it is exactly what plan powder was. Mavs need to gather young assets above all else.

True and also if the virtue in being one of the few teams with cap room in a crappy FA class is to get "bargains", what would be the point? They wouldn't be better bargains than guys like Donovan Mitchell or Jarrett Allen or OG or Gary Harris- guys who were drafted later and provided HUGE rookie scale value.

Aaron Gordon and Capela will still cost you- no bargains. Will Barton or his ilk? I like him, does he move the needle? Nurkic, Len? Trading said bargains at the trade deadline? For what, the 14th pick or its equivalent at best?

The opportunity cost, potentially, is missing out on semi- salary dumps like Otto Porter, Wiggins etc. But those are huge contracts to take back and maybe even require us adding sweeteners.

EricaLubarsky · 05-30-2018, 03:07 PM

It's looking like Bamba and Jackson may go so early that they may not be available at 5.

If you have to choose between:

Porter Jr.
Doncic
Young
Carter
Bridges

Who do you pick?

dirt_dobber · 05-30-2018, 03:10 PM

I'm in the Porter Jr camp

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-30-2018, 03:17 PM

Porter Jr, but the Mavs really need another decent pick no matter who they take. Gotta try and make that happen.

Underdog · 05-30-2018, 04:48 PM

So Boston really likes Bamba... Rumors on Twitter swirling about the Mavs possibly trading #5 for Jaylon Brown and #27, along with maybe a 2019 pick.

Bryan_Wilson · 05-30-2018, 04:52 PM

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So Boston really likes Bamba... Rumors on Twitter swirling about the Mavs possibly trading #5 for Jaylon Brown and #27, along with maybe a 2019 pick.

I personally don't like it unless it's the Sac/Phili pick(would obviously be sac's pick) they have in 2019.

Underdog · 05-30-2018, 05:02 PM

@SkinWade: Memphis waaaaaaay more logical than Dallas for Boston when you look at their assets combined with the Memphis goals

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-30-2018, 06:02 PM

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@SkinWade: Memphis waaaaaaay more logical than Dallas for Boston when you look at their assets combined with the Memphis goals

Yep, and Bamba might not even fall to 5....perhaps not even 4.

Melonhead · 05-30-2018, 06:11 PM

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So Boston really likes Bamba... Rumors on Twitter swirling about the Mavs possibly trading #5 for Jaylon Brown and #27, along with maybe a 2019 pick.

I would not be happy about this. But I could see Cuban doing it.

EDIT: I forget how quickly Ainge worked Cuban ala Rondo. So F no to playing nice with the Celtics.

Melonhead · 05-30-2018, 06:13 PM

Does this mean Bagley has a chance of slipping to 5?
If JJJ, Bamba, Bagley are gone, put me down for MPJ. His shot is butter.

Melonhead · 05-30-2018, 06:14 PM

Seems too good to be true to snag 14 for taking onFaried contract. THAT I would do in a heartbeat.

j0Shi · 05-31-2018, 12:06 AM

I'd rather keep #5, but if Doncic, Ayton and Bamba are a lock to be gone at that point, I wouldn't be mad about trading the pick if we get a decent 2019 (Boston's isn't) in return. It's basically skipping a lot of uncertainty for a possibly better result next year. And let's be honest. Lot of people already saying playoffs next year, but Mavs are now in a 2-3 year rebuild mode. So that wouldn't hurt us too much.

tap2390 · 05-31-2018, 12:36 AM

1) PHX - D. Ayton (Suns don't overthink it)

2) SAC - M. Bagley (Sac finds Fox a PNR partner)

3) ATL - J. Jackson Jr. (ATL pairs JJJ with Collins )

4) MEM - L. Doncic (Grizz take a good fit at a position of need who can help them win now)

5) DAL - W. Carter Jr. (Crazy? While he doesn't have the incredible length of Bamba, Carter is no slouch with his 7'4.5" reach; he would be deadly in the PNR with DSJ due to his ability to shoot or clog the lane; he would also have much more space to operate than he did in college when he played next to Bagley; he rebounds, runs the floor, defends, passes well... did I mention he's a full year younger than Bamba?)

6) ORL - M. Bamba (instead of reaching for a PG, Magic go BPA)

7) CHI - Mik. Bridges (Bulls slightly reach here, but Bridges fits perfectly)

8) CLE - M. Porter (with Lebron leaving following getting swept in the Finals, Cavs decide they're in the position to roll the dice)

9) NYK - T. Young (Knicks add to their stable of mediocre point guards)

10) PHI - Z. Smith (76ers take the high flying fast riser)

tap2390 · 05-31-2018, 12:37 AM

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I'd rather keep #5, but if Doncic, Ayton and Bamba are a lock to be gone at that point, I wouldn't be mad about trading the pick if we get a decent 2019 (Boston's isn't) in return. It's basically skipping a lot of uncertainty for a possibly better result next year. And let's be honest. Lot of people already saying playoffs next year, but Mavs are now in a 2-3 year rebuild mode. So that wouldn't hurt us too much.

You would trade away the pick vs. drafting one of Bagley, Porter, Carter or Jackson Jr.? Gotta disagree. I could see small trade down.

j0Shi · 05-31-2018, 12:49 AM

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Other than BSPN, nobody is talking about picking Porter at 14.

It's Woj though, who generally doesn't make stuff up. Porter ist just so weird. If he convinces teams that he's fully healthy, he could go as high as #2 for sure. But right now he's nowhere close to the top 10.

EricaLubarsky · 05-31-2018, 12:54 AM

No way Carter goes before Bamba.

j0Shi · 05-31-2018, 01:03 AM

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You would trade away the pick vs. drafting one of Bagley, Porter, Carter or Jackson Jr.? Gotta disagree. I could see small trade down.

I would rather have a player, but wouldn't be mad either. A month ago there were two big prizes in the draft, Ayton and Doncic. Now Bamba seems to make it a top 3. Much of the other names are only being brought/talked up because Mavs only landed #5. You really think we would be discussing Porter if we got #1 - #3?

Obviously us trading the pick hopefully means that somebody smarter than me concluded that it's worth sitting this one out.

Bryan_Wilson · 05-31-2018, 01:06 AM

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No way Carter goes before Bamba.

I'm not gonna lie if we passed on Bamba for Carter I might seriously cry on draft night. I'll 100% have to pay a visit to the primal scream thread and I'm not sure when or if I'd ever leave said thread. Bamba already grew on me as the season went on and then seeing that article from the ringer where he is training with Embiid's trainer and Tatum's guy and devouring nearly 7000 calories to get his body going... And then seeing him in interviews. He just seems to get it. Wouldn't be surprised at all if he's gone before the Mavs but if he's there and we pass on him for Carter I'm not going to take that well at all. Carter to me is more of a "solid" pick. It doesn't change a franchise. Bamba to me is a possible franchise changer, and at worst is a guy who anchors a defense and makes all defensive teams.

Underdog · 05-31-2018, 05:34 AM

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I would rather have a player, but wouldn't be mad either. A month ago there were two big prizes in the draft, Ayton and Doncic. Now Bamba seems to make it a top 3. Much of the other names are only being brought/talked up because Mavs only landed #5. You really think we would be discussing Porter if we got #1 - #3?

This has been my top-3 for months now:

Ayton
Porter
Jackson

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Obviously us trading the pick hopefully means that somebody smarter than me concluded that it's worth sitting this one out.

Or us TALKING about trading the pick is a way to get the teams ahead of us to pass on the player we want... Kinda like how the FO pumped up Ntilikina before last year's draft, then literally cheered when NYK picked him because they wanted DSJ all along.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-31-2018, 08:01 AM

Carter jr is a good example of why you absolutely don't try to max out Capela. There are three just as good as if not better versions of Capela in the top 15 players in Bamba, Carter, and RWIII.

I actually have been one of Carter's biggest supporters on here as he is a near emulation of Al Horford. He'll never be a superstar though which is the biggest issue. I'm also concerned about him keeping weight off to keep up with the modern NBA. Otherwise, he doesn't have many, if any, holes in his game.

tap2390 · 05-31-2018, 08:50 AM

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Carter jr is a good example of why you absolutely don't try to max out Capela. There are three just as good as if not better versions of Capela in the top 15 players in Bamba, Carter, and RWIII.

I actually have been one of Carter's biggest supporters on here as he is a near emulation of Al Horford. He'll never be a superstar though which is the biggest issue. I'm also concerned about him keeping weight off to keep up with the modern NBA. Otherwise, he doesn't have many, if any, holes in his game.

What about the prospect of drafting MPJ or Doncic and signing Capela?

DSJ - JJB
Wes - Seth
Barnes - McDermott
Dirk - MPJ - Maxi
Capela - Powell - Salah

Enough to get us into the playoffs? I think it’s damn close. Capela also still has a lot of upside, and is arguably the best defensive center in the league due to his ability to switch into guards.

Underdog · 05-31-2018, 10:04 AM

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What about the prospect of drafting MPJ or Doncic and signing Capela?

DSJ - JJB
Wes - Seth
Barnes - McDermott
Dirk - MPJ - Maxi
Capela - Powell - Salah

Enough to get us into the playoffs? I think it’s damn close. Capela also still has a lot of upside, and is arguably the best defensive center in the league due to his ability to switch into guards.

Except Capela is a RFA -- all the reasons you like him are exactly why Houston won't let him walk... He only has a $7m cap hold and they can go over the cap to re-sign him.

If you're gonna swing for the fences with the draft and free agency this summer, why not go with Porter/Boogie and pray to the Basketball Gods that both can regain their former glory? Seems like a more realistic scenario than trying to pry away Capela.

SMC0007 · 05-31-2018, 10:24 AM

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Except Capela is a RFA -- all the reasons you like him are exactly why Houston won't let him walk... He only has a $7m cap hold and they can go over the cap to re-sign him.

If you're gonna swing for the fences with the draft and free agency this summer, why not go with Porter/Boogie and pray to the Basketball Gods that both can regain their former glory? Seems like a more realistic scenario than trying to pry away Capela.

I get what you are saying, but Porters "former glory" reads a bit extreme.