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CadBane · 05-25-2011, 11:03 PM

By the way, super underrated play. On the possession before Dirk hit the three, he got a HUGE steal in what would have otherwise been a layup for Collison.

chumdawg · 05-25-2011, 11:11 PM

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By the way, super underrated play. On the possession before Dirk hit the three, he got a HUGE steal in what would have otherwise been a layup for Collison.

Very good point. And actually, although I may remember you and perhaps another poster or two questioning the coach's decision to roll out the small lineup, I thought Dirk did a fantastic job at center in that lineup. Suddenly he was rebounding everything...among other things.

CadBane · 05-25-2011, 11:15 PM

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Very good point. And actually, although I may remember you and perhaps another poster or two questioning the coach's decision to roll out the small lineup, I thought Dirk did a fantastic job at center in that lineup. Suddenly he was rebounding everything...among other things.

He did as best as we can expect...but Dirk simply can't contest shots like Tyson or Wood can. Moreover, the bigger issue was that Marion was on the bench when dribble penetration was KILLING us. That's exactly what he prevents. It was mind boggling. After Marion came back in at the 4 minute mark, that's when we took over.

OKC stayed small after Matrix came back and it cost them.

mavs777 · 05-25-2011, 11:19 PM

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He did as best as we can expect...but Dirk simply can't contest shots like Tyson or Wood can. Moreover, the bigger issue was that Marion was on the bench when dribble penetration was KILLING us. That's exactly what he prevents. It was mind boggling. After Marion came back in at the 4 minute mark, that's when we took over.

OKC stayed small after Matrix came back and it cost them.

Tyson had fouled out and Haywood's defense was absolutley attrocious all night letting Harden slip past him for lay up after lay up

CadBane · 05-25-2011, 11:21 PM

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Tyson had fouled out and Haywood's defense was absolutley attrocious all night letting Harden slip past him for lay up after lay up

Uhh...I'm talking about the whole quarter. Tyson didn't foul out until under a minute left...

chumdawg · 05-25-2011, 11:23 PM

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He did as best as we can expect...but Dirk simply can't contest shots like Tyson or Wood can. Moreover, the bigger issue was that Marion was on the bench when dribble penetration was KILLING us. That's exactly what he prevents. It was mind boggling. After Marion came back in at the 4 minute mark, that's when we took over.

OKC stayed small after Matrix came back and it cost them.

True points. But to my bigger argument, I'm not sure you give Carlisle enough credit for managing the *entire* game. Yeah, you can take any one specific stretch and find problems. But Carlisle seems to have an uncanny knack for managing the entire 48. It's like he's got a bit of horse jockey in him. The jockeys can't just let the horse run all-out from the get-go. They have to save something and let it go at the right time.

CadBane · 05-25-2011, 11:26 PM

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True points. But to my bigger argument, I'm not sure you give Carlisle enough credit for managing the *entire* game. Yeah, you can take any one specific stretch and find problems. But Carlisle seems to have an uncanny knack for managing the entire 48. It's like he's got a bit of horse jockey in him. The jockeys can't just let the horse run all-out from the get-go. They have to save something and let it go at the right time.

You're right, I am pointing out a particular section. For me, I put more emphasis on it because it's what I perceived as poor coaching in the clutch...which is the pivotal moment.

But he did bring Marion back...finally, and overall, he's been quite good in the playoffs. I'm certainly a nit-picker (until we win that ring

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chumdawg · 05-25-2011, 11:31 PM

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You're right, I am pointing out a particular section. For me, I put more emphasis on it because it's what I perceived as poor coaching in the clutch...which is the pivotal moment.

But he did bring Marion back...finally, and overall, he's been quite good in the playoffs. I'm certainly a nit-picker (until we win that ring

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As far as what is "the clutch"...I think that probably Carlisle has a little more patience than the typical GDT poster. By that I mean...nine minutes to go in the fourth, in a six to eight point game, is probably not do-or-die time.

It actually crossed my mind a little bit if Carlisle wasn't testing that lineup out with thoughts of the next series in mind.

jthig32 · 05-25-2011, 11:27 PM

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He did as best as we can expect...but Dirk simply can't contest shots like Tyson or Wood can. Moreover, the bigger issue was that Marion was on the bench when dribble penetration was KILLING us. That's exactly what he prevents. It was mind boggling. After Marion came back in at the 4 minute mark, that's when we took over.

OKC stayed small after Matrix came back and it cost them.

Marion played 40 minutes tonight. He played out of rotation when we went without a center. It was excruciating watching that small lineup, no doubt, but I have to think Carlisle was trying to get Marion some sort of rest. He's not used to playing those kinds of minutes at all, and don't forget about him asking out early in game 3. He's expending so much energy on both ends of the court, I think I understand the context of that situation. I was screaming about it at the time, but looking back on it and looking at the rotations, I think it was necessary.

Thespiralgoeson · 05-25-2011, 11:33 PM

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Marion played 40 minutes tonight. He played out of rotation when we went without a center. It was excruciating watching that small lineup, no doubt, but I have to think Carlisle was trying to get Marion some sort of rest. He's not used to playing those kinds of minutes at all, and don't forget about him asking out early in game 3. He's expending so much energy on both ends of the court, I think I understand the context of that situation. I was screaming about it at the time, but looking back on it and looking at the rotations, I think it was necessary.

Ugh, makes me really hope Chicago can win another game or two and give our boys some rest.

LonghornDub · 05-25-2011, 11:42 PM

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Ugh, makes me really hope Chicago can win another game or two and give our boys some rest.

They get 6 days rest even if Miami wins tomorrow, just FYI. Eight days if Chicago wins tomorrow. That's pushing the 9 days post-LA that people thought was too much...

Thespiralgoeson · 05-25-2011, 11:45 PM

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They get 6 days rest even if Miami wins tomorrow, just FYI. Eight days if Chicago wins tomorrow. That's pushing the 9 days post-LA that people thought was too much...

Ah, that's good to know. These guys need it.

FINtastic · 05-25-2011, 11:25 PM

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Very good point. And actually, although I may remember you and perhaps another poster or two questioning the coach's decision to roll out the small lineup, I thought Dirk did a fantastic job at center in that lineup. Suddenly he was rebounding everything...among other things.

I was one of those posters, and I don't have any regrets questioning it. Westbrook got two easy layups as soon as we went to the Dirk-at-center look, and this coming from a player who was positive for the Mavs all season long. Carlisle managed to turn him into a dangerous player again when he took out the centers who were patrolling the paint.