Chad Ford trade idea

[ocelot_ark]

Time for Davis, Wells to change addresses?
By Chad Ford NBA Insider
Updated: November 6
9:54 AM ET

Every year the Christmas season seems to begin a few weeks earlier. On Nov. 1, Wal-Mart replaced its Halloween section with a massive Christmas display.

The point? It's never too early to get your shopping face on. The NBA season is just a little over a week old and the trade deadline isn't until February, but that hasn't stopped the rumor mill from already churning.

Too early to panic, you say? It's a long season? Still believe in your team?

Sure, we buy into all of that. Still, five games into the season it's becoming pretty clear that some players need a serious change of scenery if they're going to break out of their shell. Is it time for some GMs to start thinking trade before a player's value plummets too far?

Insider made some phone calls on Wednesday, trying to get a feel for which players are out there in the NBA rumor mill. While keeping in mind that teams don't shop players (and players don't smoke pot) here's a look at guys who, according to several GMs, could already be heading to clearance.

Ricky Davis, G/F, Cavs -- Davis already complaining about LeBron? That's the rumbling around the league. We knew that Davis would have a tough time adjusting to being a distant second fiddle to LeBron, but four games and four losses into the season (albeit against Western Conference teams) and the patience already seems to be wearing thin. While a source in Cleveland denies that he's being shopped, several other GMs insist the Davis is available. Davis has five years, $27 million left on his deal. But for a 20-point-a-night scorer, that's a bargain.

Bonzi Wells, G/F, Blazers -- The good news is that Bonzi didn't spit on a fan. The bad news is that flipping off the home crowd isn't much better. Paul Allen and Steve Patterson promised they'd have zero tolerance for this type of nonsense. Wells' claim of a "blackout" is just ridiculous. Now's the perfect time for the Blazers to get their point across. Moving Wells makes basketball sense too. He's struggling at the two this year because he struggles from the perimeter. He's more comfortable playing the three, but with Zach Randolph looking great at the four and Rasheed Wallace moving to the three, Wells is stuck playing out of position. A trade of Wells to the Raptors for Mo Peterson, Michael Bradley and a retiring Eric Montross would give the Blazers the extra luxury-tax relief they've been looking for next summer and would send a strong message to the rest of the team about the importance of staying professional on and off the court.

Eddy Curry, C, Bulls -- In the preseason he appeared on the verge of a breakout season. Now? Wednesday night the Bulls played their best basketball of the season with Curry sitting on the bench. Curry still has a ton of promise and a ton of trade value. Will that hold true if he continues to struggle with the Bulls? Curry seems like a guy who needs a wake-up call. A trade and a serious change of scenery could do that. GM John Paxson is ready to check out of lottery land. The Bulls won't give any of their young players away, but could a combo of Curry, Jamal Crawford (word is he's always been available) and Jalen Rose bring the Bulls the veterans they need to compete? I'd pick up the phone and see if Mark Cuban (who's had a thing for Curry and Rose for years) would give up Steve Nash, Michael Finley and Antawn Jamison for a combo of Curry, Crawford, Rose and Eddie Robinson. Crawford and Rose could hold their own in the Mavs backcourt and Curry could be the answer the Mavs have been searching for in the middle. Meanwhile, the Bulls would get the veterans they've been looking for to surround Tyson Chandler. That's a big, pretty unrealistic in-season trade. But with Cuban, you never know.

Shareef Abdur-Rahim, F, Hawks -- The Hawks look like they're going to be as terrible as advertised. Keeping Rahim, they're one tradable asset, doesn't make a lot of sense. Rahim's career low 14.4 ppg average doesn't help things either. Would a team like the Nuggets or Jazz (who are clearly better than we thought they'd be) be willing to give up a young player or two (like Nikoloz Tskitishvili and Rodney White) for Rahim? The key for the Hawks is to get well under the cap next summer.

Jerome James, C, Sonics -- He's back in Nate McMillan's dog house. His game still intrigues plenty of GMs around the league. Would someone give up a legit power forward for James? The Sonics like what Vladimir Radmanovic has done so far offensively, but he's also the guy who gave up 21 points and 15 boards to a guy with a broken foot on opening night. Given the strong play of Ronald Murray, could the Sonics afford to give up Radmanovic, James and Brent Barry for Rahim? That trade could put the Sonics back on the map in the West and give the Hawks some serious cap room next season.

[ocelot_ark]

The way Finley is playing...Chicago might be the only team out there that still thinks he has value. Of course, I don't like this trade at all, but I do wish we could get Curry. Crawford, in my opinion, is already a very good player...so I'd take him too. No interest in Jalen Rose or Eddie Robinson, though.

[FineCubanCigar]

switch jamison for walker because Jamison is the answer at the 3 spot and i would pull the trigger. And through in a 1st round draft pick instead of Rose!

[Stew3636]

Chicago trades: SF Jalen Rose (22.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 4.8 apg in 40.9 minutes)
SF Eddie Robinson (5.7 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.0 apg in 21.2 minutes)
PF Marcus Fizer (11.7 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 1.3 apg in 21.3 minutes)
C Eddy Curry (10.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.4 minutes)
Chicago receives: PF Antoine Walker (20.1 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 4.8 apg in 78 games)
SG Michael Finley (19.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 3.0 apg in 69 games)
Change in team outlook: -10.6 ppg, -4.5 rpg, and +0.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED



Then we get rid of Rose somehow if they insist on including him in the deal or they could give us a 1st round pick. I do not think there is any way this organization trades Steve Nash

[FineCubanCigar]

thats wonderfull trade, but then won't Fizer pose the same problem as Walker?

[madape]

I love Jalen Rose. He's a badass. He's got the handles, the shot, and the confidence that I'd love to see at the two spot here. He's infinitely more versatile offensive player than Finley, and a more competent defensive one as well. He would flourish under Nelson.

I'm a bit cautious on Curry. He's a little slow of foot. He's not a prolific shotblocker. Mainly he's just a big, strong guy with a good back-to-the basket game. There's a real danger he'd just clog up the middle and ruin our spacing on offense. He's a nice player, but I don't think he fits well with this team.

I'd much rather have Chandler. He's a super-freak athlete in the mold of Kevin Garnett, only I think Chandler may be even MORE athletic than KG. If you had a contest and challenged every NBA player to jump as high as they could and touch a spot on a wall, I think Chandler might be able to touch a full six inches higher than anyone else in the NBA. He's just so damn tall and can jump so damn high. I think he'll eventually lead the league in both blocks and rebounds. He's got such a fluid game. Someday, he'll be able to handle the rock on the perimeter and drive and dish like a swingman. Talk about a weapon in this offense. Already he appears to be able to run the court like a swingman. It makes me drool to think about what he'd do here. He'll never be the centerpoint of an offense, but he'll be a very nice complementary player. On defense, he could be something very, very special.

[kg_veteran]

I can't believe I'm biting on discussing yet ANOTHER "Finley-to-Chicago" rumor....

First, here's the theoretical "new" lineup if such a trade were to occur:

Curry - Bradley
Nowitzki - Najera - Fortson
Walker - Howard - Robinson
Rose - Delk
Crawford - Best

That really doesn't do much for me. In fact, I hate the idea of giving up Nash in this package. Ape's assessment of Curry is right on. I'd rather have Chandler, too, but he definitely would cost you Nash. For Chandler, I might be more interested in that discussion.

[Rod1975]

It's just plain stupid to think of trading Steve Nash without getting Gary Payton or Jason Kidd in return.

Jamal Crawford? Ford is an idiot, sure Crawford is poised for a breakout season, but Jamal is a young checkers player,
yet Steve is a veteran chess player.

[Tony tha Mavs fan]

This trade idea by Chad Ford doesn't help the Mavs much. trade 2 of the BIG 3 AND Antawn Jamison for 3 unproven players and a person who wants a 100 field goal opportunities a night??? I don't see Mark Cuban even considering this trade idea

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: Tony tha Mavs fan
This trade idea by Chad Ford doesn't help the Mavs much. trade 2 of the BIG 3 AND Antawn Jamison for 3 unproven players and a person who wants a 100 field goal opportunities a night??? I don't see Mark Cuban even considering this trade idea

I wouldn't consider it a good trade either. Why take such a large step back? Granted we MAY be better in a couple of years but still...

[jayC]

Crawford is a younger nash. Rose is just as a prolific scorer as nash. I like Curry and still think he can be a beast, but like a lot of other players we have he isn't a dominant defensive player. Id just like to see things through 30 games or so before I pull another deal. Chemistry takes time to build.

[FilthyFinMavs]

The only people who like this trade are the people who hate that Dirk doesn't shoot 20 shots a game. I mean this trade is horrible. All Curry has is potential. He can't play defense nor can he be a presence on hte defensive end. All he has is offense. We have offense. We don't need anymore. Thats our main problem now. We have too much offense and don't know how to utilize it right. You don't get any defensive players just guys who basically do what Fin, Jamison, and Nash do right now. No, I take that back. Those guys can't even do what Jamison, Fin, and Nash are capable of doing. I just don't get why you want to subtract the Mavs lineup with the Bulls. The bulls suck.

[madape]

I'm with you there. Nash isn't going anywhere.

[seelenjaeger]

Just to raise another question:

Which Mavs trade EVER was discussed before in the Media?

I know that both AJ and AW have been involved in rumours on this board, but Mavs tend to do mindmoving trades which have NOT been talked about in the media.

So

Forgeddaboutit.

[seelenjaeger]

Why would Chicago want to part with Jay?

Because they already have Jamal and Hinrich. They didn´t draft Hinrich for nothing. They´d try to get rid of Jay as soon as possible if they only find a taker.

Why I´d take Fizer+Robinson+Trade Exception over Rose?

Because Rose is an idiot, and you can package the Trade Exception with one of our dumpies for another player. In addition, you save money.

In addition:

You take some gamble on Jay. If he gets healthy again, hooray, you solved the backup and prolly the heritage issue on Nash. If not - you might not have to worry about his money, since it would either come off the books fast or would be paid by the insurance (or maybe even Williams himself, depending how his legal issues work out).

[kg_veteran]

You take the trade exception and a couple of guys that would struggle to get minutes here; I'll take the guy with ability.

Let's face it -- I don't think Chicago would give up Chandler and Rose for Finley and Jamison. If they would, Cuban would do it faster than you can say, "Chalupa."

[seelenjaeger]

Actually I´d do quite alot to get my hands on Chandler myself ... (NOT THIS WAY) ... for the Mavs! so I cannot even blame him. I just would try to avoid Rose ...

[kg_veteran]

Honestly, I'm just looking at a deal that could fill two needs at once.

If you just want to focus on Chandler, that's fine. He's gonna be hard to come by. I don't know how expensive he'd really be, given his age and rapid improvement.

[dirk2003]

God, does anyone else here hate the idea that the only starter left from last season after that trade would be Dirk? I love this team for winning and for its players. I'm not sure I want to give up everything we had last season. I dont want the Mavs to be separated and only have one left. That really sucks.

[mavsfan4life]

Personal attacks are not acceptable.

[bogey]

Originally posted by: mavsfan4life
u will always be a virgin

Are you going to actually contribute one day?

[jayC]

personal attack mods!