PGT: Dallas benches 4-time All-Star Rajon Rondo in another loss - Page 3 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

purplefrog · 04-22-2015, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I hope he starts if Harris can't.

I'd be curious to know how many teams have had a Lamar Odom or Rondo fiasco. Carlisle won't survive another one...that is for sure.

The thing about the Odumb fiasco was he never really played a quality minute after he left the Mavs. I don't put that one on Carlisle...you can't squeeze blood from a turnip.

ffballer · 04-22-2015, 03:43 PM

i'd keep amare, monta,tyson and felton(yes felton, dude prove that he can be a good player if called)

bilease · 04-22-2015, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ffballer

i'd keep amare, monta,tyson and felton(yes felton, dude prove that he can be a good player if called)

And Aminu of course, I dont see a big change of keeping all of them though

NewMexiMav · 04-22-2015, 04:02 PM

Nothing like the playoffs to slap you with a cold, hard dose of reality. I kept hoping for an uptick in play from Rondo and for an indication that some chemistry was building within the starting lineup. Seeing none of that, I clung to the tiny sliver of hope that the playoffs would rekindle something in Rondo and we would see at least a memory of the "Playoff Rondo" of Celtics' lore. Alas, all the warning signs that I chose to ignore exploded in our collective MFFL faces in Game 2. Bye-bye Rajon, we hardly knew you. Hope that "back injury" will require some "treatment" that will prevent you from attending the rest of the series. We may go down in flames, but at least I can enjoy watching Raymond Felton play his butt off. . . . did I just say "enjoy watching Raymond Felton"??? Oh, the depths to which I have fallen

rimrocker · 04-22-2015, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Don't let the door hit you on the way out Odom...err Rondo.

What a f***ing train wreck. Jesus.

I'm sure other teams have the same problem but this seems to happen to us often...Odom, Rondo, West, Fisher and some others before the RC era.

ffballer · 04-22-2015, 04:18 PM

i'm not on either rondo or carlisle's side but i'm gonna quote rondo after the first dog fight with rc on the lockeroom back in february, "why the fuck did you bring me here?" rc never played the way rondo is used to, he didn't try to adapt the system to make him work, so why did he bring rondo to dallas then?it'd been a better fit dragic than rondo, there are things that i don't like about carlisle his stubbornness is one of them, maybe is time for a complete fresh start.. without rondo.. and without rc

rimrocker · 04-22-2015, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bilease

And Aminu of course, I dont see a big change of keeping all of them though

I think it will be either Aminu or Amare and I'd pick Aminu.
We'll probably have to deal Felton for either a backup center or Aminu's replacement.

I still don't see much of a chance for this team to improve next season though while other teams (Kings, Pelicans, Jazz) do.

jay3189 · 04-22-2015, 04:25 PM

Yeh, I doubt Rondo will be back nest season with Dallas. This is a damn shame, all this talent on this roster, but so much dysfunction going around the locker room. Amare called out the team last month, Rondo and Rick Carlisle seem to be butting heads. I hate this shit.

MFFL · 04-22-2015, 04:34 PM

But really this was inevitable.

Not Rondo in particular but this was going to happen. Too much roster turnover with short term guys to be able to build a chemistry that would withstand a bad apple.

Would we have integrated Kidd successfully with this kind of lockroom? We had a GREAT lockerroom back then that forced players to work towards team goals. Now its every man for himself.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-22-2015, 04:42 PM

Harris probable for game 3. Finally some reasonably good news.

j0Shi · 04-22-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ffballer

i'm not on either rondo or carlisle's side but i'm gonna quote rondo after the first dog fight with rc on the lockeroom back in february, "why the fuck did you bring me here?" rc never played the way rondo is used to, he didn't try to adapt the system to make him work, so why did he bring rondo to dallas then?it'd been a better fit dragic than rondo, there are things that i don't like about carlisle his stubbornness is one of them, maybe is time for a complete fresh start.. without rondo.. and without rc

Rick deserves some blame in the process too, but in the end Rondo's just a big mofo. That's the risk you take bringing in a loaner. He doesn't lose anything by quitting today, teams will still line up for him in the offseason.

yahyes · 04-22-2015, 04:51 PM

Oh we still have a stockpile of PG's. We live and die with Felton. But the real hope is if Devin can play. Maybe Monta can finally score!

bilease · 04-22-2015, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

We live and die with Felton. But the real hope is if Devin can play. Maybe Monta can finally score!

If Felton starts and turns this series around, Ill book the next flight across the atlantic and buy him as many Big Macs as he wants

mavsfan1000 · 04-22-2015, 04:59 PM

This proves you need outside shooters to excel in the playoffs. We don't have enough of them.

bunkmoreland · 04-22-2015, 05:07 PM

This team without Rondo and Parsons now...I think we can win a game or two in Dallas. But I have a difficult time seeing us winning the series.

tap2390 · 04-22-2015, 05:18 PM

Good riddance. I was dead wrong about the Rondo trade.

xtruroyaltyx · 04-22-2015, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

Nah because you will never hear the end of it if the Rockets sweep the Mavs.

I for one don't care.

Not a MAVS fan at all....but IF we win and get trounced next round it doesn't matter.

bunkmoreland · 04-22-2015, 05:42 PM

Moving forward...
From a financial perspective, I think many on this board have expressed that resigning Rondo, Ellis, Tyson, Amare, and AFA was the best way to go this offseason.
How does this change now that we know Rondo will not be a Maverick next year?
Do we resign everyone else, operate over cap and sign a point guard for the minimum?
Do we let Monta walk and try to sign either a SG or PG with cap space and the other with a minimum?

BGMaverick9 · 04-22-2015, 05:52 PM

Quote board from today's presser
http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/04/...e-quote-board/

Thukydides · 04-22-2015, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Quote board from today's presser
http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/04/...e-quote-board/

now that´s a concern: Rick not expecting Parsons to be ready for TRAINING-CAMP???

I mean, what injury has he? Microfracture or what?

BGMaverick9 · 04-22-2015, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Thukydides

now that´s a concern: Rick not expecting Parsons to be ready for TRAINING-CAMP???

I mean, what injury has he? Microfracture or what?

That got corrected.

howdoesmydirktaste · 04-22-2015, 06:41 PM

I didn't watch the game last night. First Mavs Playoff game that I haven't watched in the last decade and a half. Didn't watch a single second. I don't know why, but I just didn't feel like making the emotional investment. It sounds like I made the right decision.

Based on what people are saying, it certainly sounds like Rondo didn't work out. I will eat my crow. I wanted him here. What doesn't make sense to me is, that in a contract year, why would he quit on his team like that in the Playoffs? He has some serious mental issues if he's dumb enough to do it. Speaking of dumb enough, I think the Lakers might be the only team out there dumb enough to pay this guy a huge sum of money. If they don't pay him, then his "defiance" against Carlisle is going to cost him millions on his next contract.

Samurai · 04-22-2015, 08:26 PM

Completely predictable. No way for Rondo and Ellis to coexist. So Dallas chooses Ellis? Bad move! No way that Dallas can build a championship contender around Ellis. What free agent would want to be on his team? Rondo looks pretty bad now, but I expect that the game's premier pass-first PG would have helped attract free agents.

yahyes · 04-22-2015, 09:47 PM

Seems like Carlisle is siding for Monta about this. Which isn't a problem if he really should be our leading scorer. Ready for game 3.

FreshJive · 04-22-2015, 10:07 PM

Dallas/Carlisle didn't choose anything. Rondo did. "As long as the coach is back, Rondo's gone, sources told Yahoo Sports." Who do you think the source is?

j0Shi · 04-22-2015, 10:29 PM

I guess we'll never know what exactly happened between the two other than "it didn't work out". Carlisle does best with consummate professionals and veterans, but has problems with rookies or egos, who aren't able or don't want to follow his strict regime.

Rondo came here expecting to take over the team, that's why they clashed.

Dnowit41 · 04-22-2015, 10:37 PM

jamaljasonandjimmy · 04-22-2015, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dnowit41

more like missing since 2012

Thebo · 04-23-2015, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

I didn't watch the game last night. First Mavs Playoff game that I haven't watched in the last decade and a half. Didn't watch a single second. I don't know why, but I just didn't feel like making the emotional investment. It sounds like I made the right decision.

Based on what people are saying, it certainly sounds like Rondo didn't work out. I will eat my crow. I wanted him here. What doesn't make sense to me is, that in a contract year, why would he quit on his team like that in the Playoffs? He has some serious mental issues if he's dumb enough to do it. Speaking of dumb enough, I think the Lakers might be the only team out there dumb enough to pay this guy a huge sum of money. If they don't pay him, then his "defiance" against Carlisle is going to cost him millions on his next contract.

About the game, first 3 quarters were quite enjoyable. You could see Mavs bringing on playoff intensity which was missing in game 1 in my opinion. No comments about 4th quarter.

I would be surprised if Rondo gets longer than 1 year deal from anyone. His potential suitors should still be Lakers and Kings. Maybe you can throw Rockets in there but I'm not sure how he would fit and if there is any interest for him.

Rondo would doom Kings as Rondo won't help any team to get to the playoffs. They would also have 2 strong characters in Rondo and DMC which could hurt a lot. Lakers have their potential PG who needs to develop and by Kobe's request they may bring Rondo for 1 year deal to see how it goes.

But seriously, I doubt anyone believed that Rondo could make his market value smaller than it was when Mavs got him.

At least now someone can make a thread about who Mavs get for next season to play PG. I doubt Cuban lets Ellis and Chandler go, so it doesn't really matter what opinion we have on this matter. If we can't get any decent defender, then Mo Williams could be an option.

DirkFTW · 04-23-2015, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dnowit41

Are you serious?!? You can't give two 2015 second round picks when you have only one.

The rest looks fine.

Murphy3 · 04-23-2015, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Rick deserves some blame in the process too, but in the end Rondo's just a big mofo. That's the risk you take bringing in a loaner. He doesn't lose anything by quitting today, teams will still line up for him in the offseason.

No, he doesn't deserve some of the blame.

EricaLubarsky · 04-23-2015, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

Are you serious?!? You can't give two 2015 second round picks when you have only one.

The rest looks fine.

They absolutely can give two, three, four, or even five second rounders or even first rounders. It happens all the time.

It just didn't happen in this case.

for the record he cost us:

Outgoing
Crowder (QO/UFA)
Wright (UFA)
Nelson (PO or UFA)
2015 1st rounder (1-3 and 15-30 protected-- earliest that could happen is 2016)
2016 second rounder (unprotected)

Incoming
Rondo (UFA, most likely will sign elsewhere. Possibly had max deal all lined up with Lakers before he was even traded if you believe rumors)
Powell (Team option)

It's possible that we could get back every player we traded away (although, why would we) this offseason. It's also almost a lock that Rondo is gone, which means a one-year rental of the American Horror Story: Rondo Edition cost us a 2016 first and second rounder. If we fail to make the playoffs next year, that first-rounder could very well be a lottery pick as high as the 4th overall.

ffballer · 04-23-2015, 07:00 PM

take the time to read this.. http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015...-no-jason-kidd

mac222b · 04-24-2015, 12:53 AM

Shit Donnie that's some shitty as protection. Top 3? What a clown. Ainge played him like a rube.

Thebo · 04-24-2015, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If we fail to make the playoffs next year, that first-rounder could very well be a lottery pick as high as the 4th overall.

According to RealGM

2016 first round draft pick to Boston
Dallas' 1st round pick to Boston protected for 1-7 in 2016, 1-7 in 2017, 1-7 in 2018, 1-7 in 2019 and 1-7 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 [Boston-Dallas, 12/18/2014]

So, the highest would be 8th.

EricaLubarsky · 04-24-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Thebo

According to RealGM

2016 first round draft pick to Boston
Dallas' 1st round pick to Boston protected for 1-7 in 2016, 1-7 in 2017, 1-7 in 2018, 1-7 in 2019 and 1-7 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 [Boston-Dallas, 12/18/2014]

So, the highest would be 8th.

I'm not sure that that is correct, though. Stein had different details in his report.

I'd love BG to come confirm what the details of the first look like each year.

butchmcrae · 04-24-2015, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I'm not sure that that is correct, though. Stein had different details in his report.

I'd love BG to come confirm what the details of the first look like each year.

It's correct. The 1-3 protection was only for the 2015 draft. It's 1-7 protected from 2016-20

C_Man · 04-24-2015, 12:08 PM

These next few years are going to be some dark times my friends.

MFFL · 04-24-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

for the record he cost us:

Outgoing
Crowder (QO/UFA)
Wright (UFA)
Nelson (PO or UFA)
2015 1st rounder (1-3 and 15-30 protected-- earliest that could happen is 2016)
2016 second rounder (unprotected)

Incoming
Rondo (UFA, most likely will sign elsewhere. Possibly had max deal all lined up with Lakers before he was even traded if you believe rumors)
Powell (Team option)

I am revising my thinking internally. Rondo cost us a SECOND round pick. We gave up a first for Powell

And considering our pick that we finally give up will probably be a later pick in 2016 I consider it a good deal