What are the odds that Parson will be a consistently very good player by mid season? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

SeanL · 11-19-2014, 11:28 PM

I'm putting it at 10%.

Underdog · 11-19-2014, 11:30 PM

Mid-season? 80%.

sefant77 · 11-19-2014, 11:40 PM

What are the odds that SEanL will be a consistently very good poster by mid season?

0.0%

SeanL · 11-19-2014, 11:44 PM

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What are the odds that SEanL will be a consistently very good poster by mid season?

0.0%

The truth hurts.

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2014, 11:44 PM

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The truth hurts.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Underdog · 11-19-2014, 11:48 PM

zing

grndmstr_c · 11-20-2014, 12:42 AM

Derpity.Derp%

Cerberus · 11-20-2014, 03:04 AM

Would like him to run the pick & roll just a bit more and to rebound better than 5 a game (6 should be right for him). I still like what he brings to the table and we're 9-3 now, so there's not too much we can wrong him.

SeanL · 11-20-2014, 06:55 PM

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Would like him to run the pick & roll just a bit more and to rebound better than 5 a game (6 should be right for him). I still like what he brings to the table and we're 9-3 now, so there's not too much we can wrong him.

He's really good at going off when playing shitty teams, then doing nothing against good teams. When we get to the playoffs that is going to be a huge problem for the Mavs.

LonghornDub · 11-21-2014, 12:28 AM

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He's really good at going off when playing shitty teams, then doing nothing against good teams. When we get to the playoffs that is going to be a huge problem for the Mavs.

That's also a "trend" based on a 12-game sample size, which is to say, not even a trend worth talking about.

I will say, though, that my moratorium on critiquing Parsons will probably expire around the 25-game mark or so.

LSMF · 11-21-2014, 12:42 AM

He really needs to pick it up. I'm really tired of watching Parsons brick layups or miss easy 5 to 10 foot jumpers. He's gotten great looks so far and hasn't been able to capitalize.

endrity · 11-21-2014, 05:04 AM

Let's give the boy some time, shall we. It was't until the playoffs in 2006, two full years after he first came to Dallas, that JET really started to make a mark on this team. It will take some time for Parsons as well. As long as Dirk plays less than 28 minutes a game and we are winning at a 75% rate I am more than happy.

SeanL · 11-23-2014, 11:34 AM

Any smart ass comments now?

Kante · 11-23-2014, 11:41 AM

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Any smart ass comments now?

So, 14 games is mid-season? Got it.

BTW: Nice timing to come back after a bad game from him after being silent the games before... Troll being a troll!

SeanL · 11-23-2014, 12:14 PM

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So, 14 games is mid-season? Got it.

BTW: Nice timing to come back after a bad game from him after being silent the games before... Troll being a troll!

Which incidentally always happen when he plays good teams.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-23-2014, 12:21 PM

Funny part is that his defense has been pretty good so far...better than I expected at least.

Remember too that Carlisle teams don't really have defined roles. Parsons is going to have to adjust to that.

And also, we're already on a historic offensive pace. There is only one ball, and Parsons probably couldn't score 20 ppg on this team regardless of circumstance. I'd like him to shoot better and not double think everything...but the hate seems a bit extreme with some. He's just going to have to block out all the negative noise and grow up as a player.

Budapest Maverick · 11-23-2014, 12:55 PM

I think he'll average around 16 on 55-56%TS by the end of the season. He will remain overpaid, but will be a main contributor. So far this season he either has very good or terrible matches. Not a whole lot of 14/5/4 games on 45% shooting. For some reason he's very inconsistent despite getting excellent looks in almost every game we play.

SeanL · 11-23-2014, 12:58 PM

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I think he'll average around 16 on 55-56%TS by the end of the season. He will remain overpaid, but will be a main contributor. So far this season he either has very good or terrible matches. Not a whole lot of 14/5/4 games on 45% shooting. For some reason he's very inconsistent despite getting excellent looks in almost every game we play.

He is mentally weak.

Melonhead · 11-23-2014, 01:40 PM

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He is mentally weak.

He has a lot of growing up to do, although not taking his side.

Underdog · 11-23-2014, 02:16 PM

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He is mentally weak.

1) he's young.
2) the pressure of living up to his contract is messing with his confidence.
3) he's young.

There's nothing wrong with Parsons that can't be fixed over time... Let's see how he looks when the All-Star break rolls around.

spreedom · 11-23-2014, 03:15 PM

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He is mentally weak.

GTFOH with that nonsense.

mac222b · 11-23-2014, 03:37 PM

That missed ft in the 4th was missed badly. Same with a couple of his three point attempts. He is obviously pressing. I expect he'll start to knock down some of those open looks he's been missing. He still looks slow and slightly out of shape to me. No spring.There was a play he made where he up faked at the 3pt.line, drove and finished for an old fashioned 3 pt play. Nice, decisive move. Parsons needs to slow down and let the game come to him. He has yet to find his rhythm.

I think due to the combination of new teammates, new contract, new system, new body we haven't seen his full array offensively. More is being expected, asked of him than a guy like Ariza. Give it time.

LonghornDub · 11-23-2014, 04:45 PM

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He is mentally weak.

Good analysis, doc.

sefant77 · 11-23-2014, 07:04 PM

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Any smart ass comments now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination

rimrocker · 11-23-2014, 07:39 PM

I'd like to see him play with a little more passion.

But it is too soon to judge because none of the new players in major roles are doing that well offensively. Only Chandler and Barea are playing well and that is to be somewhat expected. Aminu looks good but he's in a "garbage man" role which is more hustle than skill.

Lets give him some time...I'd like to have this conversation around the trade deadline.

Lestat_1795 · 11-24-2014, 11:44 AM

100%
He is young and on an new team with a new system.
By midseason he should have figured it out.

Good thing is, he has no pressure to perform. He is only the Mavs 4th important player behing Dirk, Tyson and Monta(in that order)

dude1394 · 11-24-2014, 12:11 PM

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100%
He is young and on an new team with a new system.
By midseason he should have figured it out.

Good thing is, he has no pressure to perform. He is only the Mavs 4th important player behing Dirk, Tyson and Monta(in that order)

Unfortunately with big bucks comes big responsibilities. So he does have quite a bit of pressure (at least in his mind I expect) to perform.

I have always liked him so my answer is yes. But stranger things have happened...he has been tainted by a kardashian....never a good sign.

EricaLubarsky · 11-24-2014, 02:41 PM

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I'd like to see him play with a little more passion.

But it is too soon to judge because none of the new players in major roles are doing that well offensively. Only Chandler and Barea are playing well and that is to be somewhat expected. Aminu looks good but he's in a "garbage man" role which is more hustle than skill.

Lets give him some time...I'd like to have this conversation around the trade deadline.

Passion and familiarity are intertwined. It's hard to play with passion when you are unfamiliar with what you are doing. Doing so is a recipe for disaster and usually results in either reverting to old habits that you are comfortable with or playing with reckless abandon and making tons of mistakes.

Think about if you were learning to dance. Now, while in the early stages while still have to think out every step, someone yells to dance more passionately. Could you do it?

I'm not saying that Parsons should be immune from all criticism, but he's got a bigger job than many of us understand trying to adapt to a new system (and a system that requires him to be a playmaker) so he should get a little slack for a few more games-- including about his passion level, because you have to know what you're doing to be passionate doing it.

SeanL · 11-24-2014, 08:09 PM

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1) he's young.
2) the pressure of living up to his contract is messing with his confidence.
3) he's young.

There's nothing wrong with Parsons that can't be fixed over time... Let's see how he looks when the All-Star break rolls around.

Isn't that the definition of mentally weak?

Underdog · 11-24-2014, 09:04 PM

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Isn't that the definition of mentally weak?

Not if you're young... It's just a learning experience to the inexperienced.

If he doesn't learn, then yes, he might be mentally weak.

spreedom · 11-24-2014, 10:16 PM

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Isn't that the definition of mentally weak?

I'm not sure you know the definition of "definition"...

antoinewalker · 11-26-2014, 11:59 AM

everyone needs to relax. it took lebron some time to adjust in miami and it's taking time for him to adjust in cleveland.

rimrocker · 11-26-2014, 01:12 PM

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Passion and familiarity are intertwined. It's hard to play with passion when you are unfamiliar with what you are doing. Doing so is a recipe for disaster and usually results in either reverting to old habits that you are comfortable with or playing with reckless abandon and making tons of mistakes.

Think about if you were learning to dance. Now, while in the early stages while still have to think out every step, someone yells to dance more passionately. Could you do it?

I'm not saying that Parsons should be immune from all criticism, but he's got a bigger job than many of us understand trying to adapt to a new system (and a system that requires him to be a playmaker) so he should get a little slack for a few more games-- including about his passion level, because you have to know what you're doing to be passionate doing it.

Passion that shows is usually embedded in personality (Stack, Terry, VC, Barea, Chandler, etc...) so if he isn't playing with that type of passion now he probably never will.

However, Dirk has developed an outward passion over the years so it can be done. But you are right, it will just take time and we can't expect too much too soon. And just because he isn't playing with outward passion doesn't mean he doesn't have hidden passion (Kidd, Nash, etc...) and can't develop into a great player.

The reason I'd like to see more passion is because it could loosen him up, enhance his confidence and could help transform him to leadership status quicker. Displaying passion in the right manner is a sign of confidence and we need him to quickly develop near the level Dirk is now or it will be another disappointing year of Dirk and a bunch of average Joes. His teammates and coaches need to see that confidence in him as well.

Sportstudi · 11-26-2014, 01:21 PM

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I'm a useless troll.

I agree.

JTmoney2424 · 11-26-2014, 09:26 PM

Parsons cant shoot, cant play defense. Not sure why he got such a big contract. This guy should be arrested for stealing all that money....

SeanL · 11-26-2014, 10:38 PM

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Parsons cant shoot, cant play defense. Not sure why he got such a big contract. This guy should be arrested for stealing all that money....

According to this board you're a troll for pointing out facts.

Underdog · 11-26-2014, 10:41 PM

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Parsons cant shoot, cant play defense.

Parsons had some big defensive plays in OT to help win the game.

GhostFace · 11-26-2014, 10:46 PM

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Parsons had some big defensive plays in OT to help win the game.

Yea, I was taking a giant crap on him during the game, but he had some major defensive plays that helped us secure that game.

It just feels like his confidence ebbs and flows. I want to say he needs that one game where he goes nuts to get his confidence back, but he kind of had that already.

SeanL · 11-26-2014, 11:12 PM

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Parsons had some big defensive plays in OT to help win the game.

Because that is why we paid him 14 mil a year. To have some good defensive plays every now and then.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-26-2014, 11:16 PM

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Because that is why we paid him 14 mil a year. To have some good defensive plays every now and then.

If they happen at key moments in the game...like in OT...then yes. Defense is far more important than you're giving it credit for.