View Poll Results: Who will return for 2015-2016
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Chandler (UFA)
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86.36% |
Ellis (PO)
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52.27% |
Rondo (UFA)
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2.27% |
Stoudamire (UFA)
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13.64% |
Jefferson (UFA)
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20.45% |
Aminu (PO)
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84.09% |
Felton (PO)
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38.64% |
Villanueva (UFA)
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38.64% |
Barea (UFA)
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84.09% |
Sarge (UFA)
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04-23-2015, 03:10 PM
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Who returns?
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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
We have:
Dirk,
Parsons (hopefully fully healthy)
Harris (hopefully fully healthy)
Who will return? Vote for as many as you see coming back
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Felton is likely not turning down his player option either...
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04-24-2015, 03:30 AM
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I went with Chandler-Ellis-Felton-Barea. Not what I think Mavs should do but what they probably will do. Perhaps they try to keep Aminu but everyone else will either be looking at some other place or are more easily replaceable.
Stoudamire is for sure out. He is either going back home to Phoenix or joins a legitimate contender like Cavs or Warriors.
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04-27-2015, 06:17 PM
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Dirk
Harris
Parsons
Barea
Those four will be back for sure. Tyson is the tricky one...... depending on the Mavs FA pursuits of Aldridge and Jordan
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04-29-2015, 01:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by #41 Shoot em up
Dirk
Harris
Parsons
Barea
Those four will be back for sure. Tyson is the tricky one...... depending on the Mavs FA pursuits of Aldridge and Jordan
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And you're for sure on Monta not being back?
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04-29-2015, 04:00 PM
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Chandler and Ellis will be top priorities and then Aminu and Barea.
Sarge, Jefferson and CV would be nice for the min again but we can live without any or all of them.
Amare, Smith, Felton (via trade) and Rondo are as good as gone imo.
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05-01-2015, 12:48 PM
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Assuming
1. We aren't able to entice Gasol, Jordan, or Aldridge
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2. Monta wants too much money and finds it elsewhere
I have no problems signing Jefferson, Barea, and Charlie V at the minimum and giving Tyson and Aminu respectable but not over the top contracts, say $10mil and $7mil per year, respectively...
As long as we can then still have enough cash left to do something about lacking a true starting point guard, starting shooting guard, and back up center.
Butt damn, plugging all those holes is going to be difficult.
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05-01-2015, 12:59 PM
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I think Monta is probably gone, mavs probably aren't loving his attitude
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05-01-2015, 01:02 PM
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Here is how I see it:
Back almost guaranteed that are UFA:
Barea
Villanueva (vet minimum)
Almost surely gone:
Rondo
Monta
Amare
Sarge
Up in air:
RJ
Aminu
TC
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05-01-2015, 01:08 PM
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My hope:
Tyson(once Deandre and Aldridge are done playing the Mavs)
Aminu
Barea
CV
Monta(if he opts in)
Gone:
Amare
Jefferson
Monta(if he opts out)
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05-01-2015, 01:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bunkmoreland
Assuming
1. We aren't able to entice Gasol, Jordan, or Aldridge
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2. Monta wants too much money and finds it elsewhere
I have no problems signing Jefferson, Barea, and Charlie V at the minimum and giving Tyson and Aminu respectable but not over the top contracts, say $10mil and $7mil per year, respectively...
As long as we can then still have enough cash left to do something about lacking a true starting point guard, starting shooting guard, and back up center.
Butt damn, plugging all those holes is going to be difficult.
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This is what youre stuck with every offseason when the draft is almost an afterthought. Plugging holes and praying guys take discounts when they have no reason to.
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05-01-2015, 01:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bunkmoreland
Butt damn, plugging all those holes is going to be difficult.
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05-01-2015, 02:51 PM
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I hope Monta is gone next year; got sick of watching Monta hero ball in the latter half of the season + no interviews with media members + reports of sulking and moodiness
Get that shit out of here plz.
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05-01-2015, 03:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tsar
I hope Monta is gone next year; got sick of watching Monta hero ball in the latter half of the season + no interviews with media members + reports of sulking and moodiness
Get that shit out of here plz.
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couldn't care less about how he treats the media. but I DO care about how he plays defense and how he is not a reliable shooter.
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05-01-2015, 05:17 PM
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Don't care to keep Jefferson.
I'm open to the rest minus Rondo depending on how much they'll cost.
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05-01-2015, 05:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
couldn't care less about how he treats the media. but I DO care about how he plays defense and how he is not a reliable shooter.
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You could say handling with the media is an extension of leadership/owning your baggage. Dirk has a good game, Dirk has a terrible game, he speaks to the media. Same goes for Parsons. That impressed me most about him. He doesn't hide or duck.
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05-01-2015, 06:38 PM
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As far as bench priorities it should be Amare, JJ, and Aminu. I heard a rumor that DeAndre Jordan is thinking about the Mavericks this summer. But I prefer we focus on Tyson. He fits so well with the team. Already adapted to what Carlisle asks for. Charlie V should comeback at the same price. The rest can all be replaced. Don't know for sure what's going on with Monta's decision. But I'd like him back for the right price if he opts out. We need to build some type of core. This can be the best opportunity with Aminu, Parsons, Tyson, Dirk, Monta, and JJ.
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05-01-2015, 06:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rimrocker
Chandler and Ellis will be top priorities and then Aminu and Barea.
Sarge, Jefferson and CV would be nice for the min again but we can live without any or all of them.
Amare, Smith, Felton (via trade) and Rondo are as good as gone imo.
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Ehh I think Jefferson and Sarge can be replaced. Mavs can draft a center prospect. Then look into Caron Butler, Wayne Ellington, Jason Richardson, Gerald Green, Marco Bellineli, or Corey Brewer if he uses the player option.
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05-02-2015, 09:23 AM
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Chandler and Aminu are the only ones I checked, as they're the only ones I truly hope are back next year. The rest are disposable. Wouldn't mind keeping JJB either just for sentimental reasons. Plus he stepped up in the playoffs as usual.
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05-02-2015, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9
You could say handling with the media is an extension of leadership/owning your baggage. Dirk has a good game, Dirk has a terrible game, he speaks to the media. Same goes for Parsons. That impressed me most about him. He doesn't hide or duck.
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Did Monta do this stuff before Rondo arrived?
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05-04-2015, 09:34 AM
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I'd be surprised if Ellis is in a Mavs uniform next season. Some team out there is going to overpay.
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05-04-2015, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Samurai
I'd be surprised if Ellis is in a Mavs uniform next season. Some team out there is going to overpay.
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I'd be surprised if he's not a Mav next season because that team that overpays will be us.
I only want to keep Ellis if he opts in.
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05-04-2015, 09:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
My hope:
Tyson(once Deandre and Aldridge are done playing the Mavs)
Aminu
Barea
CV
Monta(if he opts in)
Gone:
Amare
Jefferson
Monta(if he opts out)
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This pretty much sums up my thoughts but I can live with or without Jefferson for the min.
Amare is the only one I'm certain will be gone.
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05-04-2015, 10:57 AM
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I fully understand that money does the talking at the end of the day, but I do NOT want any player that doesn't want to be here. If Ellis doesn't want to be here, then don't even bother offering him a contract. If he opts in, then I think that's a good sign that he likes it here.
Team just can't survive another Rondo. I'm not even sure it'll survive the last one...
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05-04-2015, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
I fully understand that money does the talking at the end of the day, but I do NOT want any player that doesn't want to be here. If Ellis doesn't want to be here, then don't even bother offering him a contract. If he opts in, then I think that's a good sign that he likes it here.
Team just can't survive another Rondo. I'm not even sure it'll survive the last one...
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My thoughts on Ellis is that as long as he is here we'll never have a decent PG.
Just about any way you look at it he stinks up chemistry on this team. Pretty good individual player but not a good chemistry guy imo.
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05-04-2015, 01:50 PM
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I have several salary cap questions: - I thought a team could go over the cap in order to sign their own free agents. It seems that the consensus on various media outlets is that the Mavs will not likely be able to sign Aminu. Why can't they just go over the cap to sign him?
- There are times when it seem like there are advantages to being over the cap, for example: access to the midlevel exception. Why not just sign Tyson and Monta to max deals, go over the cap and then have access to that relatively large exception?
- I seem to remember during the Parsons situation last summer, the Rockets were attempting to sign both Bosh and Parsons. Specifically, they were trying to sign Bosh first and then go over the cap when they sign Parsons. They could not do the signings in reverse order. Couldn't the Mavs first sign a free agent like Aldridge and then sign Monta (for example) and go over the cap? Or was last years situation the case because Parsons was a restricted free agent?
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05-04-2015, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by purplefrog
I have several salary cap questions: - I thought a team could go over the cap in order to sign their own free agents. It seems that the consensus on various media outlets is that the Mavs will not likely be able to sign Aminu. Why can't they just go over the cap to sign him?
- There are times when it seem like there are advantages to being over the cap, for example: access to the midlevel exception. Why not just sign Tyson and Monta to max deals, go over the cap and then have access to that relatively large exception?
- I seem to remember during the Parsons situation last summer, the Rockets were attempting to sign both Bosh and Parsons. Specifically, they were trying to sign Bosh first and then go over the cap when they sign Parsons. They could not do the signings in reverse order. Couldn't the Mavs first sign a free agent like Aldridge and then sign Monta (for example) and go over the cap? Or was last years situation the case because Parsons was a restricted free agent?
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1. Mavs don't have bird rights with Aminu. They would have to use the MLE to keep him if they are working over the cap.
2. That's true, but the MLE can only cover so much ground. You probably don't get a quality starting pg for that type of exception.
3. In order to go after Aldrige, they'd have to give up cap holds with Chandler and Ellis. Once you give up those cap holds, you no longer have the rights to the players.
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05-04-2015, 03:54 PM
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A source said Barea is hoping to sign a two- or three-year deal that would pay an annual salary in the $3 million range.
Let him walk.
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05-04-2015, 05:26 PM
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I really hope we can someone land Aldridge, then resign Tyson for half the price of what Jordan would cost. Then bring back Barea, Aminu, and Monta. I don't agree with everyone saying Monta is gone for sure. Maybe he'll opt in and hope to get more money next year when the cap goes up, but one way or another I think he's back in a Mavs uniform next season.
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05-04-2015, 05:36 PM
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A source said Barea is hoping to sign a two- or three-year deal that would pay an annual salary in the $3 million range.
Let him walk.
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You're not going to find a guard in the NBA that helps this team like barea under 3m. He's fine getting 3
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05-04-2015, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rimrocker
I'd be surprised if he's not a Mav next season because that team that overpays will be us.
I only want to keep Ellis if he opts in.
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I don't think that any serious contender will sign Ellis. If you believe Dallas is a pretender, well, you'd be right.
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05-05-2015, 07:57 AM
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You're not going to find a guard in the NBA that helps this team like barea under 3m. He's fine getting 3
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At 3 mil - I'm quite okay letting Barea go. Frankly, after his tenure in T-Wolves I doubt there are going to be many who will even offer him 3.
Think about it, if you offer Barea 3 mil a year then for next season you'll have Harris at 4 and Felton at 4. You would be paying total of 11 mil for backup guards.
You already have Harris, there's no need for Barea. Not at 3 mil.
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05-05-2015, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Thebo
At 3 mil - I'm quite okay letting Barea go. Frankly, after his tenure in T-Wolves I doubt there are going to be many who will even offer him 3.
Think about it, if you offer Barea 3 mil a year then for next season you'll have Harris at 4 and Felton at 4. You would be paying total of 11 mil for backup guards.
You already have Harris, there's no need for Barea. Not at 3 mil.
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Agreed. The only way Barea gets 3 is with a trade taking Felton or Harris off the books.
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05-05-2015, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
Did Monta do this stuff before Rondo arrived?
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Yes. It's like pulling teeth to have him speak to the media.
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05-05-2015, 04:50 PM
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I think the players who will return will be Aminu, Chandler, Barea and Villanueva.
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05-05-2015, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl
I think the players who will return will be Aminu, Chandler, Barea and Villanueva.
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I hope you are right and we pickup Afflalo.
I'd much rather have the combination of Aminu/Afflalo than Ellis alone if the price is virtually the same.
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05-05-2015, 09:28 PM
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Yes. It's like pulling teeth to have him speak to the media.
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Sounds like a case of eggshells for everyone.
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05-06-2015, 09:27 PM
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Between Tyson or Jordan.. I'd hope front office sticks with Tyson the next 3 years. Drafting for the best center possible would benefit more. First priority when free agency starts.
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05-08-2015, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dirkhorse
A source said Barea is hoping to sign a two- or three-year deal that would pay an annual salary in the $3 million range.
Let him walk.
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Hard to find a PG under 3m that could play with ho much heart and guts, besides. RC game system run flawless with him.
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05-10-2015, 12:07 PM
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Between Tyson or Jordan.. I'd hope front office sticks with Tyson the next 3 years. Drafting for the best center possible would benefit more. First priority when free agency starts.
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I agree if the "win with Dirk then tear it all down" strategy exists.
But if we are trying to semi-rebuild (retool) with players just entering their prime while Dirk fades into retirement, I'd rather sign Jordan because he is about the same age as Parsons.
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05-10-2015, 12:13 PM
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I agree if the "win with Dirk then tear it all down" strategy exists.
But if we are trying to semi-rebuild (retool) with players just entering their prime while Dirk fades into retirement, I'd rather sign Jordan because he is about the same age as Parsons.
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Yeah, Parsons/Jordan would be a young, solid foundation to lure big name FAs in 2016.
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