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Old 02-09-2024, 11:26 AM   #1
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Let's be real here

He was never worth that type of contract and they realized early it was a fuck up to pay him.

This wasn't about his locker room stuff it was about the mavs getting off that contract.

If he was producing they would have never said shit about rubbing people the wrong way 😂
That?s my take. He?s a lovable goofball.

But he was paid to take a step forward in his role? he was a limited role player for Boston who could defend some bigs and his some threes and we paid him to become a starter who could be part of the offense, defend, and even drive from time to time and he totally failed to be anything more than what he was in Boston.

Of course when you under deliver, those goofball antics don?t sit well with the team.
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Of course when you under deliver, those goofball antics don?t sit well with the team.
Right you cant be one without the other. Nobody wants a goofball on the court when your play is trash.

Also this isnt the first time these reports have come up. Its just that Boston was so good it covered it up.
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Luka saying he wanted a backup center for like three years is hilarious.

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He gives off a vibe that he has no care about losing a game that would piss me off. Win lose draw he just wants to make sure he had fun.

Not to mention he wasn?t in shape and made sure to repost any highlight minutes after losses.

Also he sucked at basketball. It made me pine for Reggie Bullock back.
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He gives off a vibe that he has no care about losing a game that would piss me off. Win lose draw he just wants to make sure he had fun.

Not to mention he wasn?t in shape and made sure to repost any highlight minutes after losses.

Also he sucked at basketball. It made me pine for Reggie Bullock back.
Think he was just mad Boston didn't want to keep him.

I didn't really have an issue with him other than his poor play though. A bit surprised to hear he was a locker room cancer.
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Read a report that Washington was close to accepting a deal from Dallas for Kuzma. No report what the offer was.
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Locker room issues aside, DJJ just played better right out of the gate on a min contract.
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Man, I'm kind of blown away how negative the takes are outside of Dallas. Everyone is blathering on about how we went "all in" on two mid players. They're just going on about the draft capital we gave up, and don't acknowledge at all the capital we got back. They seem to think we have absolutely nothing left to work with for trades for the next five years.
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Man, I'm kind of blown away how negative the takes are outside of Dallas. Everyone is blathering on about how we went "all in" on two mid players. They're just going on about the draft capital we gave up, and don't acknowledge at all the capital we got back. They seem to think we have absolutely nothing left to work with for trades for the next five years.
IMO they are "missing the forest for the trees". The players, on the contracts they are on and their age, are the new assets if you need to pursue a high value 3rd star type of talent. I think the mavs have set themselves up for flexibility on the court as well as in the future for roster building. You can't always trade for a pg13 type player with 4-5 picks. We are better now then yesterday morning and we have young players and after the pick conveys to the Knicks we will have a small amount of draft capital as well if we need to put a package of youthful talent and picks together.
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IMO they are "missing the forest for the trees". The players, on the contracts they are on and their age, are the new assets if you need to pursue a high value 3rd star type of talent. I think the mavs have set themselves up for flexibility on the court as well as in the future for roster building. You can't always trade for a pg13 type player with 4-5 picks. We are better now then yesterday morning and we have young players and after the pick conveys to the Knicks we will have a small amount of draft capital as well if we need to put a package of youthful talent and picks together.
Thank you for reassuring me that I'm not going crazy. Aside from the draft capital we have left- which is indeed limited, but certainly isn't nothing- I think everyone also seems to missing how young the Mavs are. Every important player who could be considered part of our "core" is 25 or under, except for Kyrie. Kyrie's the old man of the group, and he's 31. This is a very young, athletic team. Just a couple of years ago it seemed the Mavs were one of the least athletic teams in the league. Young, athletic guys like Green and Hardy and Omax are indeed tradeable assets. I know Omax has yet to prove he can hang in the NBA, but most big trade packages involve at least one "prospect." And most of our players are on pretty team-friendly contracts too. It seems to be the assets are there to make a swing for a star, if one becomes available.

It's just strange to me that a team can significantly improve its roster on both ends of the floor and yet the national media can still say they're trade deadline "losers."
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It's just strange to me that a team can significantly improve its roster on both ends of the floor and yet the national media can still say they're trade deadline "losers."
I haven?t seen anyone call the moves as losers. Well except Bill Simmons homer ass. Seen like warm opinions to great moves. And let?s be honest most of these people don?t watch the Mavs and know how undersized this team is.

When you add up Wood for a first, Grant for a first, and now PJ for a first, on the outside looking in without context, that doesn?t look great overall.

But we all know this team just got better. I honestly think they could roll with this group for the next 3-4 seasons.Wel see what happens with Kyrie but if he left you can obviously get a package back so I?m not worried there.
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I haven?t seen anyone call the moves as losers. Well except Bill Simmons homer ass. Seen like warm opinions to great moves. And let?s be honest most of these people don?t watch the Mavs and know how undersized this team is.

When you add up Wood for a first, Grant for a first, and now PJ for a first, on the outside looking in without context, that doesn?t look great overall.

But we all know this team just got better. I honestly think they could roll with this group for the next 3-4 seasons.Wel see what happens with Kyrie but if he left you can obviously get a package back so I?m not worried there.
I forget the exact outlet, but I did see one national outlet list the Mavs as losers. And I'm seeing a lot of "D" letter grades.

But whatever. Fuck 'em. Anyone who actually watches the Mavs knows how desperately we needed a quality backup 5. We're quite good when Lively is on the floor, and quite terrible when he isn't. That should no longer be a problem. PJ has some concerns as well, but I don't think anyone would question that he's better than Williams. At the very least, he's way more athletic, is bigger, and can create his own shot.
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I forget the exact outlet, but I did see one national outlet list the Mavs as losers. And I'm seeing a lot of "D" letter grades.

But whatever. Fuck 'em. Anyone who actually watches the Mavs knows how desperately we needed a quality backup 5. We're quite good when Lively is on the floor, and quite terrible when he isn't. That should no longer be a problem. PJ has some concerns as well, but I don't think anyone would question that he's better than Williams. At the very least, he's way more athletic, is bigger, and can create his own shot.
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Which team helped itself the most during this trade-deadline cycle?

David Aldridge: Dallas. Most people don?t watch the Washington Wizards regularly, and I get that. But I do, and Daniel Gafford has been Washington?s best player this season. (I know ?best? is doing a lot of work in that sentence.)

He?s a great finisher on lobs; Luka Dončić and Kyrie Irving will love tossing it up high to him; he has very good hands. When he shoots, he doesn?t miss; he?s top 10 in the league among regular rotation players in both effective field goal percentage and true shooting percentage. He attacks the offensive glass. He?s undersized, but he battles on every defensive possession.

He blocks shots, he blocks out bigger opponents, he tries to take charges ? and he talks, something he struggled with earlier in his career. He will help both Dereck Lively II and the Mavs; if Dallas stays out of the Play-In Tournament and is a top-six team in the West, Gafford would be a big help for the Mavs against OKC or the Clippers in a first-round series. I know there?s, uh, debate on our pages about the play of P.J. Washington, but having another long, lively body to surround Dončić and Irving can?t hurt.

Darnell Mayberry: I love the aggressiveness the Mavs continue to show. They have a generational talent in Dončić, who?s having an amazing season, and aren?t wasting his years waiting for player development or a so-called right time to strike. Management in Dallas is going to great lengths to build a championship contender.

They didn?t land a star at the deadline, but the Mavs fortified their frontcourt with the additions of Washington and Gafford. They?ll give Dallas needed stability at the four and five and offer Dončić immediate help with their impactful play at both ends. Washington must find his shooting touch to be a true weapon for Dončić on kickouts. Gafford will thrive working with Dončić as a lob recipient while giving Dallas more rim protection. The Mavs might now be set up to make a deep run.
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Man, I'm kind of blown away how negative the takes are outside of Dallas. Everyone is blathering on about how we went "all in" on two mid players. They're just going on about the draft capital we gave up, and don't acknowledge at all the capital we got back. They seem to think we have absolutely nothing left to work with for trades for the next five years.
I know, it's silly. We now have at least 20/15 from the center position now and a usable and versatile PF who is way better than Grant.

And if Dinwiddie join then we easily have the deepest team in the league.

And that's I think where the FO doubled down on which is depth. Our depth has kept us afloat this season through injuries and bad coaching.
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Man, I'm kind of blown away how negative the takes are outside of Dallas. Everyone is blathering on about how we went "all in" on two mid players. They're just going on about the draft capital we gave up, and don't acknowledge at all the capital we got back. They seem to think we have absolutely nothing left to work with for trades for the next five years.
The way I read it was IF things go south with Luka in a few years (it won?t) there?s very little draft capital to keep the team from turning into a bball wasteland.
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The way I read it was IF things go south with Luka in a few years (it won?t) there?s very little draft capital to keep the team from turning into a bball wasteland.
I guess. But honestly, who cares? I certainly don't. If Luka leaves, we're f***ed no matter what. That's why I didn't understand people bitching about giving up a pick swap for Grant Williams seven years down the road. If we haven't made a serious title run by the year 2030, then we need to tear everything down to the studs anyway. If Luka does leave and the Mavs need to enter a full rebuild, it's not like you can't trade players for picks. We can scrape together a few picks if, god forbid it comes to that.
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The way I read it was IF things go south with Luka in a few years (it won?t) there?s very little draft capital to keep the team from turning into a bball wasteland.
Remember that we got a first just by taking on Holmes. Firsts aren't the impossible to acquire assets they used to be and depends on the draft.

We also have players that equate to firsts IMO in Green, Hardy, and Omax.

And lastly, most of our contracts are now very tradable salary-wise. That "bad" contract in Holmes turned into Gafford.

Good FOs make things happen.

If it was Luka/Irving and 0 valued talent, then I'd be more worried.
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Remember that we got a first just by taking on Holmes. Firsts aren't the impossible to acquire assets they used to be and depends on the draft.

We also have players that equate to firsts IMO in Green, Hardy, and Omax.

And lastly, most of our contracts are now very tradable salary-wise. That "bad" contract in Holmes turned into Gafford.

Good FOs make things happen.

If it was Luka/Irving and 0 valued talent, then I'd be more worried.
All of this. The only thing I'd hedge on is that I think FRPs tend to be more valuable in trades than even talented young players like Green or Hardy, and certainly more than someone totally unproven like Omax. Even if the odds are slim that you'd actually draft a player that turns out to be better than them, I feel like GMs just seem to value picks more, because they believe in their own ability to evaluate talent.

That being said, I totally agree that players like that are very tradeable and could easily be part of a package to land a star.

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Remember that we got a first just by taking on Holmes. Firsts aren't the impossible to acquire assets they used to be and depends on the draft.

We also have players that equate to firsts IMO in Green, Hardy, and Omax.

And lastly, most of our contracts are now very tradable salary-wise. That "bad" contract in Holmes turned into Gafford.

Good FOs make things happen.

If it was Luka/Irving and 0 valued talent, then I'd be more worried.
Totally agreed. This is exactly what I want from the front office.
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The way I read it was IF things go south with Luka in a few years (it won?t) there?s very little draft capital to keep the team from turning into a bball wasteland.
We should have young players and draft picks coming out of our ears if we ever decide to move on from Luka in his prime.
Trading him alone could put together a solid foundation for our future...or at least give us one he'll of a good start to a rebuild.
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It's entirely too early to know if the trades will be successful. Even if the guys are the right fit, Kidd may be the problem and it could all implode. Still, we had to get off the proverbial pot and with two HoFers (Luka/Kyrie), a few young guys of note (Lively, Green), and a couple of guys who can be of note in the future (Hardy, OMax) it was worth it to bet on ourselves. We could have traded Kyrie and Luka for picks and statistically none of those picks would have yielded us a player of their caliber.

All I know is that:
1) a half-dozen FRPs have been waived in the last few days, which shows just how fickle FRPs can be. If our belief in ourselves is well founded, then those FRPs will be bad, and late FRPs have anywhere from a 10-25% chance of being successful which means the vast majority of picks fail. https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fi...9qxs_lfA4g.png
2) for all the talk of OKC winning the PG trade, they still haven't made the playoffs (although they are finally headed that way five years later). Rebuilds take time even with all the right pieces.
3) Teams with multiple lottery picks tend to be and stay terrible. Hornets have had four FRPs in the last two drafts and continue to circle the drain.

I, for one, am really hopeful that the short-term and short-term success can keep the core happy and the buzz going where we can add some talent in FA while some more future picks open up.

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It's entirely too early to know if the trades will be successful. Even if the guys are the right fit, Kidd may be the problem and it could all implode. Still, we had to get off the proverbial pot and with two HoFers (Luka/Kyrie), a few young guys of note (Lively, Green), and a couple of guys who can be of note in the future (Hardy, OMax) it was worth it to bet on ourselves. We could have traded Kyrie and Luka for picks and statistically none of those picks would have yielded us a player of their caliber.

All I know is that:
1) a half-dozen FRPs have been waived in the last few days, which shows just how fickle FRPs can be. If our belief in ourselves is well founded, then those FRPs will be bad, and late FRPs have anywhere from a 10-25% chance of being successful which means the vast majority of picks fail. https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fi...9qxs_lfA4g.png
2) for all the talk of OKC winning the PG trade, they still haven't made the playoffs (although they are finally headed that way five years later). Rebuilds take time even with all the right pieces.
3) Teams with multiple lottery picks tend to be and stay terrible. Hornets have had four FRPs in the last two drafts and continue to circle the drain.

I, for one, am really hopeful that the short-term and short-term success can keep the core happy and the buzz going where we can add some talent in FA while some more future picks open up.
Well and the Mavs were terrible at the rebuild until they drafted Luka, so going all in right now is the way to go. I can't imagine anyone cares about a 2027 draft pick.

Where they could have been more patient was knowing they'd have three firsts to trade after we conveyed this summer. Then try to make a move for a star foward or back to Kuzma again.

I still think they can circle back to Kuzma though with a Green, Hardy, or Omax as the prize. People forget that those guys are basically like getting a first in return.
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I am happy with the moves the FO made and think the national media needs to pull their head out of their..... anyway, CBS gives the Thunder an 'A' for the Hayward trade (will he stay healthy to play more than 10 minutes?) and the pick swap with the Mavs (they gave the Mavs a D+). Really? I mean did the Thunder do anything else that I am missing? Regardless, who cares. We will see what happens with the remaining games and then have a better idea of the winners and losers.
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Later it acquired P.J. Washington from the Charlotte Hornets in exchange for Grant Williams, Seth Curry and Dallas? 2027 first-round selection, with top-two protection. Charlotte had been unwilling to trade Washington without the inclusion of Dallas guard Josh Green, league sources say, but relented in the hours before the deadline. Dallas also received two second-round picks from Charlotte, which will be for 2026 and beyond since the Hornets had already traded away their 2024 and 2025 second-rounders


Nico cooked. Waiting it out holding firm in not giving up Josh.
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I'm just a simpleton with this. The FO finally just filled our needs. Starting PF and backup center.

They've too often signed players that make little sense or don't fit the roster. Like bringing Seth Curry back again. Glad he was able to be included to match salaries, but the signing made zero sense. I guess you can always use shooting, but I never saw a role for him.

I really hope they've finally turned the corner with what we need versus just signing player X.

If you keep filling the holes, then eventually something will sick. And you'll likely win a ring or get very close.
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I love the trades. If Spencer Winbiggie comes back, the Mavs will have a stud back court of Luka, Kai and Spence. If THJ is on, its game over.
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This is a really good and fair take...

https://theathletic.com/5261692/2024...aniel-gafford/

I've been on record saying I wouldn't give up a first for Washington. Gafford deal was a no-brainer, but Washington is more of a risk.

However, why wait? Luka is having one of the best seasons in NBA history. You have to take risks and Nico takes them. Washington, no matter his flaws, is still an upgrade over Grant Williams.

There is no "next season" and the Mavs made that clear with these deals.
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Dinwiddie joining the Lakers.

That makes more sense for him as there is less clear of a role here. I also want Hardy to keep getting minutes.
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I want Hardy to succeed but he is more a SG than a PG. I won?t say he can never be that guy but this season he isn?t.

We had two problems:
1) defensive presence when Lively isn?t playing. Kleber helped. Gafford should be the end of that
2) what we do when we don?t have two ball handlers. Our biggest losses in +/- all happen during periods where Luka or Kyrie are resting. We?re dominant for the first 6-7 minutes and okay the last 4-6 minutes when we have both Kyrie and Luka out there but we give up huge runs when we only have one ball handler out there. Exum is perfect but may never be healthy again. Hardy can?t help that. THJ can?t help that. We still desperately need a third ball handler.

Not to be a downer but Spence would have really helped. Maybe by getting consistent defense and frontcourt scoring we won?t miss him as much as I think.

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I want Hardy to succeed but he is more a SG than a PG. I won?t say he can never be that guy but this season he isn?t.

We had two problems:
1) defensive presence when Lively isn?t playing. Kleber helped. Gafford should be the end of that
2) what we do when we don?t have two ball handlers. Our biggest losses in +/- all happen during periods where Luka or Kyrie are resting. We?re dominant for the first 6-7 minutes and okay the last 4-6 minutes when we have both Kyrie and Luka out there but we give up huge runs when we only have one ball handler out there. Exum is perfect but may never be healthy again. Hardy can?t help that. THJ can?t help that. We still desperately need a third ball handler.

Not to be a downer but Spence would have really helped. Maybe by getting consistent defense and frontcourt scoring we won?t miss him as much as I think.


Jaden produces fine for a back up to Luka. He can handle the ball but we need him to take the next step defensively. For my taste, Dinwiddie doesnt change things enough to stifle Hardy minutes and growth. He needs more experience in important moments.
He had back to back 7 assist games but he needs to be more consistent with creating looks for others and finding guys. That said, who tf are the guys he was trying to pass to? Grant, Maxi, Dp, Djj. Not exaclty guys who are going to cinsistently make shots
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Jaden produces fine for a back up to Luka. He can handle the ball but we need him to take the next step defensively. For my taste, Dinwiddie doesnt change things enough to stifle Hardy minutes and growth. He needs more experience in important moments.
He had back to back 7 assist games but he needs to be more consistent with creating looks for others and finding guys. That said, who tf are the guys he was trying to pass to? Grant, Maxi, Dp, Djj. Not exaclty guys who are going to cinsistently make shots
He?s fine as an SG
Our system needs two PGs and Hardy is not a natural facilitator like Exum, Kyrie, and Dinwiddie

A couple of good assist games are hope for the future which is why I didn?t want to completely rule him out forever but he?s not that guy this year.

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He?s fine as an SG
Our system needs two PGs and Hardy is not a natural facilitator like Exum, Kyrie, and Dinwiddie

A couple of good assist games are hope for the future which is why I didn?t want to completely rule him out forever but he?s not that guy this year.
Fair enough, but they way we stagger Luka and Kai, Jaden isnt relied upon fully to run the offense. He can continue to be the hybrid especially when Kai is on the floor.
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I want Hardy to succeed but he is more a SG than a PG. I won?t say he can never be that guy but this season he isn?t.

We had two problems:
*1) defensive presence when Lively isn?t playing. Kleber helped. Gafford should be the end of that*
2) what we do when we don?t have two ball handlers. Our biggest losses in +/- all happen during periods where Luka or Kyrie are resting. We?re dominant for the first 6-7 minutes and okay the last 4-6 minutes when we have both Kyrie and Luka out there but we give up huge runs when we only have one ball handler out there. Exum is perfect but may never be healthy again. Hardy can?t help that. THJ can?t help that. We still desperately need a third ball handler.

Not to be a downer but Spence would have really helped. Maybe by getting consistent defense and frontcourt scoring we won?t miss him as much as I think.
** Great point. Jason Kidd agrees with you on that. But he still plays Gafford in situations that are not very defensively challenging in terms of moving out of the paint. Gafford is a paint guy. He gets totally lost defensively outside of the paint.

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I want Hardy to succeed but he is more a SG than a PG. I won?t say he can never be that guy but this season he isn?t.

We had two problems:
1) defensive presence when Lively isn?t playing. Kleber helped. Gafford should be the end of that
*2) what we do when we don?t have two ball handlers. Our biggest losses in +/- all happen during periods where Luka or Kyrie are resting. We?re dominant for the first 6-7 minutes and okay the last 4-6 minutes when we have both Kyrie and Luka out there but we give up huge runs when we only have one ball handler out there. Exum is perfect but may never be healthy again. Hardy can?t help that. THJ can?t help that. We still desperately need a third ball handler.*

Not to be a downer but Spence would have really helped. Maybe by getting consistent defense and frontcourt scoring we won?t miss him as much as I think.
** And this is also a very, very good point. When it comes to ball handling you have Luka (first), Kyrie (second), Exum (third), and PJ (fourth) (though he is not used to doing that), then Green (but Green rushes a lot and makes poor decisions), and then nobody else.

THJ should be PREVENTED from handling the ball. He is just an executioner. He can shoot or drive the ball when given to him. But he is horrendous at passing. A ball-handler must be able to assess whether it is good/better to shoot, or to keep hold of the ball, or to pass. THJ has zero such skills. Green is better but HE RUSHES. Rushes in and then he can't stop. Luka is great at that, of course. Kyrie has such natural abilities/affinities. And Exum is great at that too but at a lower skill level.

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I wish we could get a damn update on Exum. Seems like he?s done for the year

Not surprised Spence picked LA. He?ll get more minutes there even though we could?ve used him for sure.
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Aww. I guess Spencer?s family lives in LA. Lakers are a good fit for him. It would be hard to pass up the chance to play with Lebron too.
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Sounds like Spence wasn?t our main target so maybe Mavs know something I don?t about Exum or the offense with PJ

Rumors are our first call was Marcus Morris. 7pts, 3reb on 40% from three on a winning team (76ers)
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Sounds like Spence wasn?t our main target so maybe Mavs know something I don?t about Exum or the offense with PJ

Rumors are our first call was Marcus Morris. 7pts, 3reb on 40% from three on a winning team (76ers)
Yes! See, the FO finally learning.

We all love Spence for what he did, but let's fill some other blanks. Would love to have Morris as our enforcer.
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Rumors are our first call was Marcus Morris. 7pts, 3reb on 40% from three on a winning team (76ers)
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