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Old 05-31-2012, 12:09 PM   #41
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Sorry but when you are so bad like the Bobcats were the last thing to do is draft based on need, you take the best talent available period. In not too long Kemba will be better than DJ Augustine.
A 5'10 inch combo guard is not the best available talent. They just drafted DJ 3 years prior (who had shown signs of coming around as a PG the year prior)and had rid themselves of Stephen Jackson. Why not draft a true SG to replace Jackson like ahem.. Klay Thompson who was chosen 3 picks later.

The Bobcats drafted Brandan Wright over Noah. We aren't going to go into their long list of terrible selections...Wright, Morrison, Sean May...and the list keeps going. The Bobcats aren't terrible because they haven't had a higher draft choice, they are terrible because they've been piss poor at drafting. Some of the talent they have by-pass to draft the "best available talent" instead of need could of had them fighting for a 5th seed in the East.
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NO isn't going to move the 10th pick imo and the 55th pick has pretty much no value, anyone can buy second round pick.

My preference for mavs first pick if they dont move up or down
1. Terrence Ross
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A 5'10 inch combo guard is not the best available talent. They just drafted DJ 3 years prior (who had shown signs of coming around as a PG the year prior)and had rid themselves of Stephen Jackson. Why not draft a true SG to replace Jackson like ahem.. Klay Thompson who was chosen 3 picks later.

The Bobcats drafted Brandan Wright over Noah. We aren't going to go into their long list of terrible selections...Wright, Morrison, Sean May...and the list keeps going. The Bobcats aren't terrible because they haven't had a higher draft choice, they are terrible because they've been piss poor at drafting. Some of the talent they have by-pass to draft the "best available talent" instead of need could of had them fighting for a 5th seed in the East.
Kemba isn't a "combo guard" he is a pure PG with very good play making skills, why not draft Klay Thompson who doesn't defend and struggles to create his own shot? Seems simply enough to me, he's a role player. DJ had shown signs of at best being a average at PG, Kemba has much higher upside than DJ who they frankly should trade for a late first rounder if they can.
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Thats ALOT to give up for the 10th pick. I wouldnt give Roddy straight up for the 10th pick.
Well I wouldn't worry about getting Roddy for a lottery pick, those have a lot more value than him.
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Come on… you don't really believe that? Do you?

If he wanted to rig it wouldn't he have wanted the Nets to win? Or maybe the Kings to help them stay in Sacramento? Or to the Bobcats so they could be viable. Or, or, or…..

The greatest percentage odds yesterday would be that people would think Stern rigged it. The reason is because it didn't matter who won.

He already sold the Hornets anyway.

The best thing that happened yesterday was that tanking didn't get rewarded. There is no doubt tanking works, but it didn't this year. The Hornets tried all season and never lost on purpose. Monty had them diving on the floor and scrapping to win games while Cleveland, Golden State, and Sacramento looked as if tanking was the strategy. Golden State was especially egregious in it's tanking.

I'm not calling out the Bobcats… they were trying hard, but were the worst team of all time.
Well later I realized they won it on the 13.7% chance and I was only seeing that 1% chance they had from the T-Wolves at first. So it isn't too fishy anymore lol.
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NO isn't going to move the 10th pick imo and the 55th pick has pretty much no value, anyone can buy second round pick.

My preference for mavs first pick if they dont move up or down
1. Terrence Ross
2. Moe Harkless
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What about Dion Waiters or Fab Melo?
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Well I wouldn't worry about getting Roddy for a lottery pick, those have a lot more value than him.
Notice i said "I" wouldnt. Its situational. Some teams would and some wouldnt.
But its funny seeing people throwing around the idea of trading Roddy when he may be able to finally pay off on some of that potential, for a guy(pick #10)who's likely 2-3 yrs. away from contributing. Its backwards. Unless the Mavs think theyve scoped the next james harden at #10 or something. Even then he took a couple years to develop.
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All of these lottery guys and picks are overvalued in a sense. Have any of them played an entire grueling 82 game regular season with back to backs? A playoff series? Traveled so much? How do they handle suddenly having money?

Smart teams buy low on guys like Roddy 3 or 4 years in. Kyle Lowry has much more trade value than he had a couple years ago. Experience+opportunity
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Thats ALOT to give up for the 10th pick. I wouldnt give Roddy straight up for the 10th pick.
I would in this years draft.
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What about Dion Waiters or Fab Melo?
I'm pretty cold on both of those players. Waiters reeks of Dominique Jones #2, and Fab Melo isn't very talented.
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I'm pretty cold on both of those players. Waiters reeks of Dominique Jones #2, and Fab Melo isn't very talented.
Waiters is better in every facet than Jones. Shooting especially.
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Waiters is better in every facet than Jones. Shooting especially.
We shall see...

Just don't see a need here. The Mavs already have two combo guards plus it is highly possible they keep West. Adding a forth doesn't seem to add up.
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Thats ALOT to give up for the 10th pick. I wouldnt give Roddy straight up for the 10th pick.
Ross is going to be off the board before the 17th pick. If you do get Deron, it would be nice to give a the PG a true SG. You probably resign West and Kidd. That leaves no room for Roddy once again. Giving up a player you only use when the major players are injured isn't giving up a lot.
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Ross is going to be off the board before the 17th pick. If you do get Deron, it would be nice to give a the PG a true SG. You probably resign West and Kidd. That leaves no room for Roddy once again. Giving up a player you only use when the major players are injured isn't giving up a lot.
I understand the reasoning. But how is Ross any further along then Roddy? 2-3 yrs minimum before he's ready. And i really like Ross btw.

I just wonder if Roddy wouldnt have Brandon Jennings or Kyle Lowry trade value if he were given 36+ minutes. i think he would. I also think its rare that
a young vet is traded for a low lottery pick and it works out for both teams. George Hill for Kawhi Leonard this past happened to work out really well for both teams.

So yeah, if the Mavs sign Deron and re-sign Kidd and West we would have a glut of combo guards. And if the Mavs see a cant-miss Kawhi Leonard type at around
pick 9 or 10 and have a willing trade partner that has a need and loves Roddy, then yes i could see the Mavs pulling the trigger on a deal like that. Alot of things have to happen for that trade to come off though.

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BG, that is whythey need to hit on a pick here and there. This year especially with a deep draft,, and the Mavs as old as they are.

Hopefully Royce White or Moe Harkless will be there at 17.
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Do we have a trade up scenario in play? Maybe Booby and the #17 to move up?
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Do we have a trade up scenario in play? Maybe Booby and the #17 to move up?
Have not heard of one.

But there were rumors that a while back, NO had interest in Boobs. NO owns the 10th pick. A package of the 17th and Boobs for the 10th pick?
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Have not heard of one.

But there were rumors that a while back, NO had interest in Boobs. NO owns the 10th pick. A package of the 17th and Boobs for the 10th pick?
If we knew that Ross would still be available at 10, I'd do that without a doubt.
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Have not heard of one.

But there were rumors that a while back, NO had interest in Boobs. NO owns the 10th pick. A package of the 17th and Boobs for the 10th pick?
The word I've heard is they'll unload the 10th pick on the condition that the team absorbs Okafor or Ariza's deal.
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Have not heard of one.

But there were rumors that a while back, NO had interest in Boobs. NO owns the 10th pick. A package of the 17th and Boobs for the 10th pick?
I would probably do it in this draft. Can't quite pin down a specific player I want; but I think Boobs is replaceable. Young talent is hard to come by.
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The word I've heard is they'll unload the 10th pick on the condition that the team absorbs Okafor or Ariza's deal.
Ah that's not too intriguing. How bad is Okafor's deal? He's not a bad player but his knee is bad.

Draft Express has Sullinger projected to drop to 17 right now. Anybody think that is possible?
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Ah that's not too intriguing. How bad is Okafor's deal? He's not a bad player but his knee is bad.

Draft Express has Sullinger projected to drop to 17 right now. Anybody think that is possible?
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Thats ALOT to give up for the 10th pick. I wouldnt give Roddy straight up for the 10th pick.
roddy for the 10th pick? i would do it in a heartbeat. i was one of roddybs biggest supporters at one point. but i think we've seen his peak, the inconsistent play, the foot injuries. is he a pg or sg?how many mins did he play in the playoffs like 8 mins? free roddy b and i hope its elsewhere. 2 picks in the top 17 of a deep draft. i can dig it!
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Just by peaking at the draft board, how come Kim English is being viewed as a 2nd round player? Just watching the kid play, he's a first round player for sure. Prototypical height from the 2 guard position, excellent shooter, and plays reasonably strong defense. The only knock on him is he doesn't have super-elite athleticism, but the kid puts the ball in the bucket.

If he's on the board around the time the Mavs pick, he'd not only be an excellent pickup, but he'd automatically be the best 2 guard on the Mavs roster.
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So do we draft Sullinger?

I want to say he'll be fine!
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Draftnet has us projected to take Kendall Marshall right now. If he falls that is the guy I want. He has great court vision and can spread the ball around like a true PG. If he doesn't fall I'm not too sure what I'd do, still intrigued by Sullinger though. I just have no idea how bad his back is.

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Draftnet has us projected to take Kendall Marshall right now. If he falls that is the guy I want. He has great court vision and can spread the ball around like a true PG. If he doesn't fall I'm not too sure what I'd do, still intrigued by Sullinger though. I just have no idea how bad his back is.

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Marshall is just a guy you want to have on your team. Makes the people around him better players. Unreal passing.
I'm ambivalent about Marshall. One on hand he is a great passer, with a great work ethic and improving (spot-up) jumper.

One the other hand he literally could not stay in front of anyone at the collegiate level... how's he going to defend Parker, Westbrook, Rubio, etc.?

He's not the type of kid you want to bet against, but him maxing out his physical tools may not be enough to cut it in the league.
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Just by peaking at the draft board, how come Kim English is being viewed as a 2nd round player? Just watching the kid play, he's a first round player for sure. Prototypical height from the 2 guard position, excellent shooter, and plays reasonably strong defense. The only knock on him is he doesn't have super-elite athleticism, but the kid puts the ball in the bucket.

If he's on the board around the time the Mavs pick, he'd not only be an excellent pickup, but he'd automatically be the best 2 guard on the Mavs roster.
English can ball, but he'll be 24 before the season starts. Tony Allen, Sam Young, Josh Howard - there's a lot of talented swingmen who fall because they've pretty much maxed out their physical abilities.

Oh, and I want no part of Kendall Marshall. The Mavericks need someone with the potential to create their own shot, and I don't see Marshall ever developing that.
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The Sullinger slide stops here. The Ohio State forward has had a rough week: ESPN.com reported that he was "red-flagged" medically for back issues at the combine, and sources confirmed to SI.com that the situation is, in fact, a serious concern for some teams. Sullinger's agent, David Falk, downplayed the situation, but the prevailing view is that it will hurt his stock significantly. Nonetheless, the Mavericks grab him with hopes that Falk is right about his client and that they have a young, creative and productive power forward for years to come.
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I don't know how the Mavs take a PF with serious injury concerns if Ross is available (I don't think he will be).
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I don't know how the Mavs take a PF with serious injury concerns if Ross is available (I don't think he will be).
I agree. I want to stay away from PF. I truly believe Brandan Wright can be our 4 of the future.
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Some of my favorite 2nd round players in the draft

Kim English (seriously underrated which is understandable considering he's a bit of a 1 year wonder; runs hot and cold, but was absolutely on fire his senior year; has better physical attributes than he's credited with, but is probably close to his ceiling)

Miles Plumlee (big, strong, athletic worker with good physical tools and size; always improving; I think he can definitely give you 15 mpg at the 5 right off the bat with the potential and work ethic to eventually become a starter; a little overlooked at Duke because of their trigger-happy guards)

Darius Johnson-Odom (tough, competitive, athletic, undersized 2 guard with good all around game; has a bunch of offensive moves; reminds me of a less explosive, but stronger Monta Ellis)

Quincy Acy (undersized but explosive 4 that can rebound and block shots; has an improving jumper/ FT%; showed up big when it mattered most (this is the guy that dropped 22 with Anthony Davis guarding him in the Elite 8); would probably have won the 'NBA' dunk contest this past ASQ)

Josh Owens (overlooked 5th year Stanford guy that showed up big in the NIT tourney & Nets combine; you wish he was more consistent, but he would be a good Summer League invite if he doesn't get drafted (chances are he ends up a mid-late 2nd rounder); undersized, but has a good frame/wingspan; I'd love to see if he can carve out a career in the league... a poor man's Quincy Acy)
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Quincy Acy (undersized but explosive 4 that can rebound and block shots; has an improving jumper/ FT%; showed up big when it mattered most (this is the guy that dropped 22 with Anthony Davis guarding him in the Elite 8); would probably have won the 'NBA' dunk contest this past ASQ)
I'm horrifically biased, but there is not a harder working basketball player than Quincy Acy. I saw virtually every game he played at BU, and the comparison between his first game and his last is remarkable. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the FT line at the beginning, and he was more than solid by the end. Not an NBA starter by a long shot, but could easily carve out a Brandon Bass/Glen Davis/Jason Maxiell type role. Not nearly as big as those guys, but much more athletic and a better shot blocker.

Get him on your team and he'll do whatever you ask him to. Also, he's a Mavs fan (from Mesquite).
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I'm horrifically biased, but there is not a harder working basketball player than Quincy Acy. I saw virtually every game he played at BU, and the comparison between his first game and his last is remarkable. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the FT line at the beginning, and he was more than solid by the end. Not an NBA starter by a long shot, but could easily carve out a Brandon Bass/Glen Davis/Jason Maxiell type role. Not nearly as big as those guys, but much more athletic and a better shot blocker.

Get him on your team and he'll do whatever you ask him to. Also, he's a Mavs fan (from Mesquite).
Longhorn fan here. I can tell you that Acy is indeed a demon. I love his game. He'd be a more than solid acquisition. However if i'm going the PF route, I can see strong-starter potential in Moultrie and Terrence Jones. If we got one of them and English I could sleep very soundly next Thursday.

If we somehow take Ross or trade up for Jeremy Lamb I might be in draft euphoria.
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Some of my favorite 2nd round players in the draft

Kim English (seriously underrated which is understandable considering he's a bit of a 1 year wonder; runs hot and cold, but was absolutely on fire his senior year; has better physical attributes than he's credited with, but is probably close to his ceiling)

Miles Plumlee (big, strong, athletic worker with good physical tools and size; always improving; I think he can definitely give you 15 mpg at the 5 right off the bat with the potential and work ethic to eventually become a starter; a little overlooked at Duke because of their trigger-happy guards)

Darius Johnson-Odom (tough, competitive, athletic, undersized 2 guard with good all around game; has a bunch of offensive moves; reminds me of a less explosive, but stronger Monta Ellis)

Quincy Acy (undersized but explosive 4 that can rebound and block shots; has an improving jumper/ FT%; showed up big when it mattered most (this is the guy that dropped 22 with Anthony Davis guarding him in the Elite 8); would probably have won the 'NBA' dunk contest this past ASQ)

Josh Owens (overlooked 5th year Stanford guy that showed up big in the NIT tourney & Nets combine; you wish he was more consistent, but he would be a good Summer League invite if he doesn't get drafted (chances are he ends up a mid-late 2nd rounder); undersized, but has a good frame/wingspan; I'd love to see if he can carve out a career in the league... a poor man's Quincy Acy)
Plumlee is as athletic as it gets but he has no basketball skill whatsoever; pass. Second rounders I like are JaMychal Green, Henry Sims, Khris Middleton, Jae Crowder,Jared Cunningham, and Will Barton (could go late 1st).
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According to Chad Ford mavs have actively explored moving up in the draft last couple of days, he has us taking Terrence Jones at 17 and Tornike Shengelia at 55 (who I honestly have no clue about). Jones is one I would be ecstatic about, he has a ton of potential and is really skilled, just has some effort issues (same for moultrie).
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