Rumor: Jerry Stackhouse to be dealt? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Purple&Gold · 08-14-2006, 01:51 AM

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Simmons and Gadzuric are to be dealt in a threeway as soon as a few wrinkles get ironed out. Simmons and Delfino will be going to Dallas, Gadzuric to Detroit, Stackhouse and Davis to Milwaukee. The only holdup is the level of protection the picks coming from Detriot and/or Dallas will have. Cash will also be included, to that I don't know where from or to whom.

*If you're a Bucks fan you've read something by me. Bucks are sending the cash and will be getting a first round pick, along with a second round pick the year after.

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This guy has 1 post but it's something to discuss in this slow off-season.

Dortmund · 08-14-2006, 01:52 AM

hell yeah!! i love simmons! but somehow i doubt this happens and he has a long contract.

bernardos70 · 08-14-2006, 01:52 AM

Hah, I'll believe it when I see it. Bobby Simmons? I don't think so. Too good to be true.

Purple&Gold · 08-14-2006, 01:54 AM

I like this trade for the Mavericks, however i'm not sure how much credible this information has or the user.

shaw-xx · 08-14-2006, 04:55 AM

Too good to be true. Mil fans will think Stack is too old....

HexNBA · 08-14-2006, 06:14 AM

Where the heck would Simmons even play, not to mention Delfino. Another fine internet rumor.

kriD · 08-14-2006, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by HexNBA

Where the heck would Simmons even play

Um, at Stack's position(s) maybe?

We could buy out Delfino and sign Barea, Ebi or Carroll as planned.

MPG _ PPG _ RPG _ APG _ SPG _ TO _ FG% _ 3P% _ FT%
27.7 _ 13.0 _ 2.8 _ 2.9 _ 0.67 _ 2.20 _ 40.1 _ 27.7 _ 88.2 - Stack 05-06
33.8 _ 13.4 _ 4.4 _ 2.3 _ 1.15 _ 1.64 _ 45.3 _ 42.0 _ 82.5 - Simmons 05-06

Oh pleaaase let this be true. It would be the icing on the cake for a great offseason.

mqywaaah · 08-14-2006, 08:09 AM

This trade is not that bad, I like Bobby Simmons. I just dont like the thought of letting Stack go. Aww

Male30Dan · 08-14-2006, 08:20 AM

Damn... We must be giving away a number 1 for that trade to go through - assuming it isn't crap...

Wow...

bobatundi · 08-14-2006, 09:48 AM

while i think this is likely a load of crap, don't forget a very important statistic:

Stackhouse will turn 32 in November.
Simmons just turned 26.

bobatundi · 08-14-2006, 09:55 AM

Just checked the numbers, and it does work under the cap. Sometimes these rumors aren't even plausible...

dalmations202 · 08-14-2006, 10:18 AM

I just don't see this one happening. It totally ruins the financal aspects of the team. If it did happen though -- would he be the starting SG, or would he move Howard to SG, and he be the starting SF?

Male30Dan · 08-14-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kriD

Um, at Stack's position(s) maybe?

We could buy out Delfino and sign Barea, Ebi or Carroll as planned.

MPG _ PPG _ RPG _ APG _ SPG _ TO _ FG% _ 3P% _ FT%
27.7 _ 13.0 _ 2.8 _ 2.9 _ 0.67 _ 2.20 _ 40.1 _ 27.7 _ 88.2 - Stack 05-06
33.8 _ 13.4 _ 4.4 _ 2.3 _ 1.15 _ 1.64 _ 45.3 _ 42.0 _ 82.5 - Simmons 05-06

Oh pleaaase let this be true. It would be the icing on the cake for a great offseason.

We would be losing some passing, a good bit of FT attempts, (Simmons only shot 29 more FTs than Stack in roughly 1000 more minutes), chemistry, and, IMO, a bit of clutch play to gain better defense, fewer turnovers, better overally shooting, (minus free throws), higher BB IQ, and better rebounding...

Plus, as bobatundi pointed out, we also gain 6 years on the age spectrum! IF this went down, despite his contract, it would be a hell of a trade for the Mavs.

Male30Dan · 08-14-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

I just don't see this one happening. It totally ruins the financal aspects of the team. If it did happen though -- would he be the starting SG, or would he move Howard to SG, and he be the starting SF?

Yeah, his contract is pretty big; however, he would immediately become our 6th man getting roughly the minutes Stack had last year, if not more. That would really make things crazy for guys like Buckner, Ager, and George regarding PT, as he could fill in for both SG and SF very well, (I am still hoping a backcourt of Harris and Terry start the year and, if not, I want Harris running the point with Simmons/Buckner starting - no more Terry at PG).

Male30Dan · 08-14-2006, 10:47 AM

...also, it should be noted, that Stack throws up just under 4 more shots per game per 48 minutes than Simmons, despite his poor shooting, (18.99 vs. 15.29). I am curious for someone who wants to figure it out, what is the pps, (points per shot), difference between the two with Stack shooting so many more free throws?

grndmstr_c · 08-14-2006, 10:57 AM

knickerblogger.net has ts% stats waiting at the ready - no need to calculate. Simmons last year was at 55.9%, Stack was at 51.1%.

MavsX · 08-14-2006, 11:20 AM

i dont see this happening...but if it does..i guess i would be all for it.

MavsX · 08-14-2006, 11:21 AM

male23dan, i really like your braveheart signature...good work..

nashtymavsfan13 · 08-14-2006, 11:33 AM

I don't see this happening, but this would be a pretty good move.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-14-2006, 11:44 AM

Yeah I'd take Simmons over Stack any day. Simmons has a big contract though. I think that signing him make Ager almost completely worthless for us so I don't see it happening. However, the last two rumors of Armstrong for AJ and the signing of George were true sooooooooo who knows.

snoop · 08-14-2006, 11:54 AM

Stack is more to this team than numbers, which booby simmons can't replace. Alot of people on here talks about chemistry but hate stack, hes the killer on the squad and one of the main players to bring a swagger. I wouldn't do stack for simmons straight up knowing the age difference. Stack isn't the player he once was but he still is the player simmons is plus he brings toughness and the abilty to get to the line at will.

Five-ofan · 08-14-2006, 11:54 AM

This would be way too good to be true.

EricaLubarsky · 08-14-2006, 11:55 AM

It will never happen-- Cuban won't take on money, especially 30.14 million!

Waaaaaahhhhhhhh! Cuban sucks. Cuban sucks.

Anyway, talk about an upgrade. I would Love] to add a Stackhouse to Simmons comparison on eFG, 3pt%, to the offseason differential writeup I did.

eFG%
Simmons 51.8
Stackhous 43.1

3pt%
Simmons 42.0%
Stackhouse 27.7%

eFG% on jumpers
Simmons 51.9%
Stackhouse 40.6%

Reb per 48
Simmons 6.3
Stackhouse 4.8

Steals per 48
Simmons 1.6
Stackhouse 1.2

Simmons would really put us over the top-- the guy is a well rounded player, and would be our third 40% three point shooter, and would make us one dangerous shooting team. If this trade happens, there is no chance that anyone, ANYONE could give the Mavs less than an A for offseason grades.

Flacolaco · 08-14-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

It will never happen-- Cuban won't take on money, especially 30.14 million!

Waaaaaahhhhhhhh! Cuban sucks. Cuban sucks.

lol I smell a thread hijacking like the P-POD Waived thread coming....

Five-ofan · 08-14-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by snoop

Stack is more to this team than numbers, which booby simmons can't replace. Alot of people on here talks about chemistry but hate stack, hes the killer on the squad and one of the main players to bring a swagger. I wouldn't do stack for simmons straight up knowing the age difference. Stack isn't the player he once was but he still is the player simmons is plus he brings toughness and the abilty to get to the line at will.

Maybe he should "will" himself to the line more often then. You might want to check his playoff ft numbers before you list him "willing" himself to the line so easily.

AxdemxO · 08-14-2006, 12:30 PM

Any chance that anothe rplayer from our team will be included in this trade if its true?? Because we would really have a tough time figuring out the playing time and all if we have 2 players comming in at positions that are alread full.

Buyt i think we'r gettin a lot sooo i m leanin toward this not being true.

fluid.forty.one · 08-14-2006, 12:34 PM

I don't want to see Stack leave next year.

bernardos70 · 08-14-2006, 01:50 PM

This is not happening. But if it was possible, I'd do this trade everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. Simmons was a standout player, at 26 years of age, Most Improved player in the NBA. We just couldn't afford not to do this trade upon being offered. There's absolutely no sense whatsoever in turning down this trade if legit. Stack this stack that, EFF Stackhouse, the percentages don't lie.

Five-ofan · 08-14-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I don't want to see Stack leave next year.

I dont either...

I want him gone before then.

Tokey41 · 08-14-2006, 02:20 PM

At only 26 a long term contract doesnt seem too bad since the guy is a good player and we wouldnt be giving up anything that would hurt us. Too bad we are so loaded already, Simmons would need a lot of playing time (for that kind of money for that long) so how woul dthe PT be split?

Five-ofan · 08-14-2006, 02:21 PM

He would become the starting two guard. He plays 3 now but i think he could play the 2.

SeriousSummer · 08-14-2006, 02:44 PM

Maybe Simmons is the three and Josh Howard is the two? Or maybe it doesn't matter.

This is a deal you have to do--and having it in the wings would explain waiving Pavel.

I think Delfino might be a player as well, given a little playing time. Still, it does seem a little much to be getting for Stack without a draft pick.

kriD · 08-14-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SeriousSummer

Still, it does seem a little much to be getting for Stack without a draft pick.

Actually, the mysterious rumorer mentioned picks (and cash):

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The only holdup is the level of protection the picks coming from Detriot and/or Dallas will have. Cash will also be included, to that I don't know where from or to whom.

Five-ofan · 08-14-2006, 03:01 PM

the mysterious rumorer is a guy with one post. I wouldnt put alot of faith in it.

nashtymavsfan13 · 08-14-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

the mysterious rumorer is a guy with one post. I wouldnt put alot of faith in it.

That's what I was thinking, but then I remembered the trade for AJ, and we all thought it was just going to be a rumor. I think this is a rumor that should be taken seriously, because it does make sense.

Five-ofan · 08-14-2006, 03:05 PM

I can come up with 20 rumors that make sense. That doesnt mean that they should be taken seriously. Discussed sure. Were a discussion board so pretty much anything people want to discuss is fair game but im just saying i wouldnt get my hopes up.

EricaLubarsky · 08-14-2006, 03:24 PM

Simmons is 6'6", can play and defend 3 positions (2, 3, and 4) and is better than Stack in every significant way. Delfino is trash. This idea turns out very well for the Mavs, well for the Pistons, and not too bad for the Bucks if they really want to implode and rebuild-- A couple of picks and almost 57million dollars in savings.

That said, there is probably zero chance that this happens. It's a "my buddy who works at such-and-such told me" thing. Just because it sounds like a press synopsis doesnt mean its real.

grndmstr_c · 08-14-2006, 03:39 PM

I also think this is probably a little too good to be true. As formulated it would create even more of a minute crunch, because Simmons is almost certain to play more minutes in more games this year than Stack regardless of which teams they're playing for. But honestly, who cares? The resulting Mavericks squad would be a juggernaut. They'd finish the season the way the Pistons started theirs in 05/06...which is another reason I just can't bring myself to believe this will happen - imagine you're Detroit, are you going to involve yourself in a trade that is this beneficial to one of your chief rivals?

mmmfast · 08-14-2006, 04:30 PM

Mavs are one of Detroit's chief rivals?

Still, no way this goes down. I had hoped we would have gotten him from the Clipps before but not now.

grndmstr_c · 08-14-2006, 04:32 PM

Any team that has championship aspirations would do well to consider Dallas one of their chief rivals.