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Old 04-23-2008, 09:36 AM   #41
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I saw the light long ago. Giving Portland your best players doesn't win a championship though.

Let's get back to what I was talking about though: skillsets.

NO has:
PG that can run things, defend a little, and score and Big time slasher.
SG that defends well, and can score a little.
SF that is a massive outside shooter and has size.
PF that can get inside points and has size
C that can defend the rim, and get put backs.

Dallas lacks the big time slasher, and the player that can get the easy inside points.
They have lacked these two skillsets all year.

Dallas wins it with Team ball, instead of Individual ball, when they can get these skillsets.

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JMO, but Dallas last shot at the title (with Dirk) comes from putting an inside threat who can defend the rim, and a good slasher beside him. Slasher could be one of many like Magette, Richardson, etc. Inside guy is harder to come by though.
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:35 AM   #42
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Still go to the same place I sent you before. Your trade proposal was moronic then, it's moronic now, and will be moronic in just about any other scenario.

It really is quite irritatingly bad. Of course you will try to keep defending it, no matter how ridiculous everyone tells you that trade is, so I'm just gonna let it go.
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Old 04-23-2008, 01:07 PM   #43
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<edit> nevermind
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Old 04-23-2008, 07:33 PM   #44
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You do not trade your franchise player for garbage. You are trading your two best players for neither one of the two best players for the other team. What is there to argue? Which team has done that before? Two top players for garbage, and young "promises."

Miles? Garbage. Pryzbilla? Fool's gold with his blocks. Aldridge? Fine, that's their 3rd best player. Rodriguez? Who? Draft rights to....... people who haven't played a single second of NBA basketball. Why will Miles retire? Are we gonna have to buy him out?

You shouldn't even have read this far. Just read the first paragraph. That's like trading Nash and Marion, let's say. That's like trading Wade and Shaq. Malone and Stockton. You simply do not do that for anything other than at least the best player on the other team or the 2nd at the very least.
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Let me try to explain simply: Miles, Prybilla and LaFrentz are in the deal to match salaries.

Who you want is Aldridge and Fernandez. They are not "garbage". Are you old enough to remember when Dallas traded for Dirk and Nash? Nash was a third string point guard at Phoenix. Dirk was playing in the 2nd division of the German League. You make deals like this based on potential--and you need to be good enough to make those judgments.

Rodriguez, Fernandez, Kaponnen and Freeland are young European players with enomorous potential. One or two of them, on average, should be NBA stars. If you are a fan of basketball, then you should know that.

Absent a steal like the Lakers getting Gasol, the Mavs don't have enough talent and can't get enough talent to compete for the Western Division championship.

The Mavs are an old team. Except for Bass, the youngest decent player the Mavs have is Josh Howard. He turns 28 on Monday. The only first round draft choice the Mavs have is 2009. Even assuming they get a player that is useful with that choice, Dirk will be 31 by 2010 when, in his second year, that player could potentially be significant help. Kidd would be 37.

The choice is two or three years of diminishing play, or starting again now and retooling while the Mavs have significant trade assets in Dirk and Kidd.
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This is a waste of brain waves. ... very confused brain waves.
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This is a waste of brain waves. ... very confused brain waves.
Wonderful argument. Such an illuminating and profound contribution to the discussion.

Is this all you've got?
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Except that when Dallas traded for Nash and Nowitzki, we didn't have to trade away Finley who was our best player at the time, and we didn't trade away a future HoF PG and future HoF PF.

You don't trade such proven commodities for a bunch of unproven guys. Thanks for your time.
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Old 04-24-2008, 06:27 AM   #49
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You do not trade your franchise player for garbage. You are trading your two best players for neither one of the two best players for the other team. What is there to argue? Which team has done that before? Two top players for garbage, and young "promises."

Miles? Garbage. Pryzbilla? Fool's gold with his blocks. Aldridge? Fine, that's their 3rd best player. Rodriguez? Who? Draft rights to....... people who haven't played a single second of NBA basketball. Why will Miles retire? Are we gonna have to buy him out?

You shouldn't even have read this far. Just read the first paragraph. That's like trading Nash and Marion, let's say. That's like trading Wade and Shaq. Malone and Stockton. You simply do not do that for at least the best player on the other team or the 2nd at the very least.
I totally agree here.


I also understand where Serious is coming from, on the blow it up. Problem is, it is harder to find a true "superstar" than it is to find the compliments. None of the players in the original idea are superstars -- and none are worth Dirk or Kidd.

Aldridge is a nice player, but is he better than Bosh? I don't think Bosh ever gets to superstar level, just all-star.

It is easier to stay at 50 wins and hope to break through, than to try and find another superstar.

<edit> Check out Chicago. They are a great team of compliments. Problem is -- they need a superstar, but are too good now to be able to draft one, but not good enough to do anything in the playoffs.
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If we're not able to become a contender, I really would not mind Kidd and Nowitzki going to Portland to play with Roy/Oden and the rest of the young Blazers.

We either become a contender or blow it up... in between doesn't really appeal to me... I would hate to see a year of Dirk's prime to be wasted in mediocrity, and same with Kidd.
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Dirk and Kidd for Roy and Oden, maybe. This proposal is Knick-level stupidity.
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Dirk and Kidd for Roy and Oden, maybe. This proposal is Knick-level stupidity.
Dirk and Kidd for Roy and Oden....i'd take that in a second. I love Dirk. He's my favorite player of all time but unless we can surround him with a good team so he can finally win a ring with us, I think it would be best for everybody if we traded him to another team so he can win one and so we can start fresh. No way in hell Portland trades Roy and oden for Dirk and Kidd though. They were already fairly good this year withOUT Oden and when he is gonig to play this next season, my guess is they makde the playoffs. They aren't going to trade away two stars that are really young for a slower 37 year old point guard and a 31 year old Dirk when they already have a good team.
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It is sad to be a prophet in one's own country when nobody believes. Almost as sad as watching Mavs play this year--old and without hope of improvement.

Now that you can see what I saw last spring, don't you wish this trade was still possible?
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I think I'll pass and just take a lottery pick...
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You know how Donnie and Mark "Like this team"? Well Kevin Prichard LOVES his team.

No way they are making any trade of any kind.

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Change in Team Outlook: -4.8 ppg, -4.1 rpg, and +3.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Rudolfo Fernandez
6-6 SG from Spain (Foreign)
11.2 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 26.0 minutes
LaMarcus Aldridge
6-11 PF from Texas
15.8 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 33.5 minutes
Raef LaFrentz
6-11 PF / C from Kansas
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 0.0 minutes
Mario Chalmers
6-1 PG from Kansas
8.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.5 apg in 30.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
2.7 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.1 apg in 8.7 minutes
Shawn Marion
6-7 SF from UNLV
12.5 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 37.1 minutes
Outgoing Players
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
5.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 17.6 minutes
Josh Howard
6-5 SG / SF from Wake Forrest
20.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 37.0 minutes
Erick Dampier
6-11 C from Mississippi State
5.2 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.2 minutes
Dirk Nowitzki
7-0 PF from Germany (Foreign)
25.1 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.2 minutes

Portland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -1.9 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and -1.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Dirk Nowitzki
7-0 PF from Germany (Foreign)
25.1 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Rudolfo Fernandez
6-6 SG from Spain (Foreign)
11.2 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 26.0 minutes
LaMarcus Aldridge
6-11 PF from Texas
15.8 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 33.5 minutes
Raef LaFrentz
6-11 PF / C from Kansas
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 0.0 minutes

Miami Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +6.7 ppg, +4.4 rpg, and -2.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
5.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 17.6 minutes
Josh Howard
6-5 SG / SF from Wake Forrest
20.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 37.0 minutes
Erick Dampier
6-11 C from Mississippi State
5.2 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Mario Chalmers
6-1 PG from Kansas
8.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.5 apg in 30.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
2.7 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.1 apg in 8.7 minutes
Shawn Marion
6-7 SF from UNLV
12.5 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 37.1 minutes

Of course you would have to look to move Kidd too, perhaps a Marbury for Kidd swap with multiple picks and David Lee involved....

This is strictly rebuilding quickly.
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^I'm pretty sure none of those teams would make that trade...
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