Obama: My Plan Will 'Spread The Wealth Around' - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

kg_veteran · 10-13-2008, 09:31 PM

I guess the lead in the polls is making Obama cocky enough to reveal his true intentions for the country.

Hey, Mr. Rich Guy, give me your money. I've got somebody else "behind" you who needs it more than you do.

Shows the naivete of conservatives like Christopher Buckley who are dumb enough to think a leopard can change his spots. Once a socialist...

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Barack Obama told a tax-burdened plumber over the weekend that his economic philosophy is to "spread the wealth around" -- a comment that may only draw fire from riled-up John McCain supporters who have taken to calling Obama a "socialist" at the Republican's rallies.

Obama made the remark, caught on camera, after fielding some tough questions from the plumber Sunday in Ohio, where the Democratic candidate canvassed neighborhoods and encouraged residents to vote early.
"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream."

"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...alth/comments/

dude1394 · 10-13-2008, 09:50 PM

So this is what chum, mavie want...right?

Flacolaco · 10-13-2008, 09:54 PM

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that they've got a chance for success too

I cannot understand how anyone can defend this. This is indefensible.

It is completely and utterly disgusting. He absolutely wants to punish people. Because the middle class is supposed to feel good when "the man" gets punished. It sickens me.

Everyone already does have the exact same effing chance, Barry. It's called a birth certificate and a social security card.

We are headed for ugly, ugly times.

kg_veteran · 10-13-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

So this is what chum, mavie want...right?

Yes, let's hear from the resident Obama supporters.

kg_veteran · 10-13-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I cannot understand how anyone can defend this. This is indefensible.

It is completely and utterly disgusting. He absolutely wants to punish people. Because the middle class is supposed to feel good when "the man" gets punished. It sickens me.

Everyone already does have the exact same effing chance, Barry. It's called a birth certificate and a social security card.

We are headed for ugly, ugly times.

No, you're wrong. They don't have a chance for success unless they have some of your money!

chumdawg · 10-13-2008, 10:17 PM

I'll wait to see what he actually DOES after he is elected, before passing judgment. I'm sure he has some good ideas.

dude1394 · 10-13-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I'll wait to see what he actually DOES after he is elected, before passing judgment. I'm sure he has some good ideas.

wow..

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

fluid.forty.one · 10-13-2008, 10:31 PM

I can't decide what's better. Obama spreading some wealth the lower-middle classes way or McCain paying off everyone's mortgage.

Like chum said.. let's see what he actually does -- or did you also believe that McCain was going to buy us all houses.

Mavdog · 10-13-2008, 10:33 PM

does the fact that our income tax is set up as a progressive tax surprise any of you?

do you believe that the mccain tax plan changes that?

so what's the fuss about what obama said? he's merely saying what is reality.

dude1394 · 10-13-2008, 10:35 PM

Well once he's finished with this income distribution...since he so obviously believes in it, he will certainly increase it. It's the way to buy votes after all.

fluid.forty.one · 10-13-2008, 10:37 PM

has McCain said anything about covering our car payments? cause those can be a huge pain the butt..

Flacolaco · 10-13-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

has McCain said anything about covering our car payments? cause those can be a huge pain the butt..

Well with this guy (Obama), I wouldn't rule anything out.

Next time someone in front of you at Wendys orders a more expensive combo than you, maybe Barack can take money away from him and help you pay for yours....better yet, maybe next time Dirk scores 40 Barack will take some away and give them to someone "behind" Dirk who deserves a fair shake.

dude1394 · 10-13-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

has McCain said anything about covering our car payments? cause those can be a huge pain the butt..

If McCain says this he's an idiot. Obama's a socialist through and through. Luckily McCains party isn't socialist, Obama's...not so sure.

dude1394 · 10-13-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Well with this guy, I wouldn't rule anything out.

Next time someone in front of you at Wendys orders a more expensive combo than you, maybe Barack can take money away from him and help you pay for yours....better yet, maybe next time Dirk scores 40 Barack will take some away and give them to someone "behind" Dirk who deserves a fair shake.

I heard that DivaWade needs a few extra points, since he's been hurt and all. Oopss...he's already been giving his quota by the guvment.

fluid.forty.one · 10-13-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Well with this guy (Obama), I wouldn't rule anything out.

Next time someone in front of you at Wendys orders a more expensive combo than you, maybe Barack can take money away from him and help you pay for yours....better yet, maybe next time Dirk scores 40 Barack will take some away and give them to someone "behind" Dirk who deserves a fair shake.

McCain was the one who said he would pay off everyone's mortgages.. not Obama.

dude1394 · 10-13-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

McCain was the one who said he would pay off everyone's mortgages.. not Obama.

Now I think that's a dumb idea, however it is an attempt to do something about the subprime lending that Obama and the democrats have gotten us into.

And at LEAST it's not a flat out income distribution racket that will never stop.

I don't really understand how you can defend this...

Well...well...it's really stupid and socialist...but look at what he's doing ma!!

kg_veteran · 10-14-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I'll wait to see what he actually DOES after he is elected, before passing judgment. I'm sure he has some good ideas.

BARACK OBAMA (2/16/08): "Don't tell me words don't matter."

Epitome22 · 10-14-2008, 08:49 AM

This is completely inoffensive to me. He has proposed getting back to an effective progressive income tax in this country. What do you think he planned to do with that money. That's the whole point of a progressive income tax and luxury tax. It's egalitarian effects are secondary, it's about redistribution and widening the circle of prosperity. I salute him and so does America.

jthig32 · 10-14-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Epitome22

This is completely inoffensive to me. He has proposed getting back to an effective progressive income tax in this country. What do you think he planned to do with that money. That's the whole point of a progressive income tax and luxury tax. It's egalitarian effects are secondary, it's about redistribution and widening the circle of prosperity. I salute him and so does America.

The Americans that want a hand out salute him. People that feel put upon and think they deserve a break salute him. People that want to stick it to the man and get a peice of the pie for doing nothing salute him.

Epitome22 · 10-14-2008, 09:08 AM

Whatever you have to say jthig32. Just pay your taxes and everything will be fine. Or not, I hear Estonia is nice this time of year.

jthig32 · 10-14-2008, 09:13 AM

Um....ok?

alby · 10-14-2008, 09:16 AM

Do Americans salute Hugo Chavez? Because that would be the same thing as saluting Obama.

Rhylan · 10-14-2008, 09:34 AM

Definitely time to stop working so hard. Sos I can git my check!!!!!

Epitome - would you like some money? I wouldn't want life to be unfair. Let me write you a check before I quit my job and take up gardening. Barack's gonna take my money, and/or, McCain is gonna pay for my house, so I'm covered.

Flacolaco · 10-14-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhylan

Definitely time to stop working so hard. Sos I can git my check!!!!!

Epitome - would you like some money? I wouldn't want life to be unfair. Let me write you a check before I quit my job and take up gardening. Barack's gonna take my money, and/or, McCain is gonna pay for my house, so I'm covered.

Thank goodness you're here. Epitome almost didn't have a...hold on let me see what Obama said...a "chance at success."

You know it's a little known fact that hardly anyone has a "chance at success."

Rhylan · 10-14-2008, 10:03 AM

As if giving someone free money has anything to do with their "chance at success."

However much it is, it ain't enough to go to college, start a business, or invest in a business, so just what is it going to accomplish?

Buying votes!

chumdawg · 10-14-2008, 10:03 AM

There's so much exaggeration from the hardcore righties on this issue, it's crazy. Let the line form to the left of those who want to swap their white collar job/paycheck for a life on welfare.

Look, the wealthy have a far bigger stake in the overall health of the economy than the poor do, because they have much more to lose. The wealthy have a vested interest in preserving the sort of environment that allows them the opportunity to succeed financially.

Of course, there are still people who would like to eat their cake and have it too.

Murphy3 · 10-14-2008, 10:08 AM

I come from a family that struggled.. alot. My dad was injured at work back around 1982 or so. He partially severed his spinal cord, but many of the issues didn't occur until a couple of years later. He lost feeling in his hands and feet... bad enough to where he could no longer work. We are a family of 7. My dad was the lone provider. My mother had absolutely no way to provide for us, but she did. Hell, she never even thought about going to college.. She was a stay at home mom..That was her life. She somehow provided for 7 without us having to go on welfare or foodstamps or anything like that.

It was almost 8 years after the injury before my dad was actually able to start drawing his social security (and yeah, he felt pretty guilty about doing so). By that time, I was the only of the children left at home. So, things got quite a bit easier for us. Hell, we had 2 incomes for the first time.

So what's my point? After going through all this.. after going through all of the struggle, my parents wouldn't dream about supporting a tax plan such as Obama's.. They didn't blame anyone for some of their misfortune. It happened. They didn't hate the rich for having money when we couldn't even afford to have telephone service (funny story, we had a grass fire out where we lived.. had to run about a mile just to get to the nearest house so that I could call the fire department.. boy was I pissed when the fire was put out only to start back up about an hour later.. had to make that run again..).

I don't know, I just find it disgusting. So many of the middle class and poor are so willing to put the blame somewhere else. 99% of people are where they are because of the effort they put into their careers. Obama is nothing more than an enabler. It's amazing how little work the average US worker does in an 8 hour day.. Obama will do nothing but lower the incentive to actually get anything done.

Rhylan · 10-14-2008, 10:08 AM

Chum, give me some concrete examples of how redistribution of wealth "preserves" whatever it is that I need preserved. Something that justifies making income taxes more progressive than they already are. And I'm not "wealthy" - my wife and I make almost $140k together - but I'm smart enough to know that after they come for the $250's, they're coming for us next. That's how the government operates. I just want to work for myself and not for people who have made decisions in their lives that cause them to have less money. I don't want to have to be constantly looking over my shoulder knowing that I'm already giving $5k a year to Social Security that I'll never see, and more will come if we keep spending so much money at the federal level and increasing entitlements.

A government is the most inefficient manager of assets you can have, so why we need to use them as a conduit for exchange of assets is beyond me. It's all about feelings and emotions and some false sense of "fairness" that people are obsessed with.

We already have a progressive income tax, which is bad enough. Obama wants to make it more progressive. That's bad. Period. bad, bad, bad. You are supposed to own the fruits of your labor in this country.

chumdawg · 10-14-2008, 10:14 AM

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You are supposed to own the fruits of your labor in this country.

This country is also one that can't pay its bills. We are running up massive deficits and have a staggering national debt.

How long do you think that can continue, while everybody just enjoys the fruits of his own labor?

What is happening now is that everyone, poor and rich alike, are enjoying the fruits of someone else's money.

mary · 10-14-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

The Americans that want a hand out salute him. People that feel put upon and think they deserve a break salute him. People that want to stick it to the man and get a peice of the pie for doing nothing salute him.

Which of the above categories does this guy fall into?

DirkFTW · 10-14-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

This country is also one that can't pay its bills. We are running up massive deficits and have a staggering national debt.

How long do you think that can continue, while everybody just enjoys the fruits of his own labor?

What if we massively cut down on spending to where government had a surplus? Then we wouldn't need to touch the tax levels at all! Eventually, we would maybe be able to pay off the entire national debt. I mean the freaking counter for the national debt ran out of digits to use for crying out loud.

mary · 10-14-2008, 10:32 AM

Honestly, I don't think either candidate will end up cutting taxes...its a bunch of hooey. You're not going to solve the deficit problem by cutting out earmark programs and neither party has shown interest in making major cutbacks to government entitlement programs (and really, at times like this, what entitlement programs are you going to cut?) Both candidates support cutbacks in military spending, but how realistic is that while we're still funding a war?

I'd almost have more respect for one of them if they said, "Guess what, we're totally f**ked right now and there's not much I can do about it." At least it would be honest.

dalmations202 · 10-14-2008, 10:37 AM

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Honestly, I don't think either candidate will end up cutting taxes...its a bunch of hooey. You're not going to solve the deficit problem by cutting out earmark programs and neither party has shown interest in making major cutbacks to government entitlement programs (and really, at times like this, what entitlement programs are you going to cut?) Both candidates support cutbacks in military spending, but how realistic is that while we're still funding a war?

I'd almost have more respect for one of them if they said, "Guess what, we're totally f**ked right now and there's not much I can do about it." At least it would be honest.

When is the last time you saw an honest politician?

That oxymoron is bigger than "military intelligence".

Silk Smoov · 10-14-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

Do Americans salute Hugo Chavez? Because that would be the same thing as saluting Obama.

You know what I have to say about that post. Signature below says it all

Rhylan · 10-14-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

This country is also one that can't pay its bills. We are running up massive deficits and have a staggering national debt.

How long do you think that can continue, while everybody just enjoys the fruits of his own labor?

What is happening now is that everyone, poor and rich alike, are enjoying the fruits of someone else's money.

I didn't ask for all that spending - very little of it, if any, was on my behalf. I was against most, if not all of it. I'm not responsible for that debt. I'm also not enjoying a DIME of someone else's money. The only federal service I use is the highway and my slice of the active military missions in Iraq & Afghanistan. I'm not using troops in Germany, subsidized ANYTHING, or Social Security, but I'm sure paying for it.

Specifics, chum, specifics. Making the income tax more progressive doesn't solve the spending problem, it creates more spending.

Rhylan · 10-14-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mary

Honestly, I don't think either candidate will end up cutting taxes...its a bunch of hooey. You're not going to solve the deficit problem by cutting out earmark programs and neither party has shown interest in making major cutbacks to government entitlement programs (and really, at times like this, what entitlement programs are you going to cut?) Both candidates support cutbacks in military spending, but how realistic is that while we're still funding a war?

I'd almost have more respect for one of them if they said, "Guess what, we're totally f**ked right now and there's not much I can do about it." At least it would be honest.

Wise.

Broad entitlement reform and cutting back military spending are the only ways to really tame the beast. We can continue to fund the war for now and just withdraw troops from most of the other 158 countries we have them in, eh?

Murphy3 · 10-14-2008, 12:14 PM

My old roommate is stationed in Germany... He's a pilot in the air force. I asked him, "why are you in Germany".... he has no idea.

mary · 10-14-2008, 12:20 PM

An equally intriguing question would be, "Why is Germany stationed in New Mexico?"

Underdog · 10-14-2008, 12:35 PM

...or "Why is Germany stationed in Dallas?"

(German Stealth Bomber)

Murphy3 · 10-14-2008, 12:45 PM

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An equally intriguing question would be, "Why is Germany stationed in New Mexico?"

That's a good question... I think my old roommate was there for quite awhile also... and Korea or somesuch.. maybe alabama also.. I think that's where he knocked up his now wife....