Iggy wants out if the Sixers still suck at deadline

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by mavs777

My worry with Iggy is long term, he is 28 which isn't old but his game isn't built for the long term, he relys so much on his athletisism, one serious knee injury or at about 30-31 I would expect his game to decline significantly

He's only missed 6 games in a little over 6 seasons.

Durability is my last concern with Iggy.

[sefant77]

Iggy has his 27th birthday in january and like Underdog said he is one of the ironmen in the league

[mavs777]

Looks like I was wrong about his injuries my bad, but I still stand by my other comment he relys on athletisism so much that I see a rapid decline in his early thirties once he gets a bit more miles on him

[dalger]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Looks like I was wrong about his injuries my bad, but I still stand by my other comment he relys on athletisism so much that I see a rapid decline in his early thirties once he gets a bit more miles on him

...which would be exactly the time when his current contract expires, so that concern shouldn't be a problem as it relates to the idea of getting Iggy here now.

[Kidd Karma]

Iggy would be nice, combine him with Chandler, it's a solid 2-3 guys to help Dirk during the latter part of his career. Iggy's probably along the same lines of Chandler, sniffed a little success, has probably reach all the accolades he would get and is willing to do what it takes to win.

[spreedom]

DALLAS SENDS:
Terry
Butler
D. Jones
Haywood
2010 1st
2012 1st

PHILLY SENDS:
Iguodala
Brand
Nocioni

WHY FOR US: We clearly get the two best players in the deal (Iggy and Brand, who has played extremely well this year) and have a chance to compete today and tomorrow.

WHY FOR PHILLY: We take their three largest contracts and send them a starting center as well as two picks.

[dalger]

Originally Posted by spreedom

DALLAS SENDS:
Terry
Butler
D. Jones
Haywood
2010 1st
2012 1st

PHILLY SENDS:
Iguodala
Brand
Nocioni

WHY FOR US: We clearly get the two best players in the deal (Iggy and Brand, who has played extremely well this year) and have a chance to compete today and tomorrow.

WHY FOR PHILLY: We take their three largest contracts and send them a starting center as well as two picks.

I wouldn't do that deal. We'd lose way too much offensive firepower by giving away Butler AND Terry. Iggy's a decent scorer, but far from great and not worth both Jet and Caron. Butler/Stevenson/DoJo for Iggy/Nocioni works and sounds much better to me.

The only reason that would at least make me think about taking on Brand's contract would be if Haywood continued to play like crap as a result of not being a starter and the 76ers wanted his contract instead of Brand's. Then, and only then, I could see him included in any deal. In that case, however, Jet should never be included. Instead, it should look something like Butler/Haywood/Stevenson/Jones for Iggy/Brand. And no picks. Taking on their two biggest contracts is enough for a team that's going absolutely nowhere with those two contracts. We would give them the ultimate chance to rebuild.

[Thomas86]

The Deal: The Mavericks get Andre Iguodala, Jodie Meeks and Jason Kapono while the 76ers get Caron Butler, Dominique Jones and DeShawn Stevenson.

Why It Works For Philadelphia: Caron Butler is a great short-term replacement for Iguodala. Plus, he's on an expiring contract. If he doesn't work out for Philly, they can just let him walk at the end of the year.

DeShawn Stevenson is also on an expiring contract, and would be a suitable backup for rookie Evan Turner.

The real steal for Philadelphia is Dominique Jones. He has a lot of potential, and based on his play for Dallas in the preseason we know that he can be a decent scorer right now. He has two years left on his deal, which is the same as Jodie Meeks, who they'd essentially be swapping for him.

The 76ers lineup following this trade would likely read: Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner, Caron Butler, Elton Brand and Spencer Hawes.

Why It Works For Dallas: Iguodala turns back the clock on Dallas's title hopes by replacing the 30-year old Caron Butler with 26-year old Andre Iguodala.

Iggy would likely start at shooting guard, once again opening a spot in the starting lineup for Shawn Marion, and moving Jason Terry back to his role as sixth-man.

The Mavericks would feature one of the strongest defensive lineups in the NBA with Jason Kidd, Iguodala, Marion and Tyson Chandler all playing together.

Their bench would also feature strong role players in Jason Terry, Jose Barea, Roddy Beaubois, Jason Kapono and Brendan Haywood.

The Mavericks would take on Kapono, because they could use a back up for Shawn Marion. Jodie Meeks could potentially fill Dominique Jones' shoes.

The team's offense would still revolve around superstar Dirk Nowitzki. While Iguodala might not take a ton of pressure of Nowitzki, he's an upgrade over Butler in several ways. The 76ers may even ask for the Mavericks to include a draft pick as part of a deal like this.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5...andre-iguodala

This was a very nice trade idea somebody came up with.


Iguodala, Meeks and Kapono for Butler, Jones and Stevenson is a trade I would do in a heartbeat.

[SeriousSummer]

How about Iggy/Nocioni/Battie for Haywood/Butler/Jones?

Philadelphia gets rid of two of its longer contracts, picks up a center (when it has none), an expiring contract and a prospect.

Dallas gets a good sized two/three, a three/four and a veteran back up center just in case Mahinni can't handle the workload.

A number of minor tweaks are available, 2nd round draft choices, Ajinca, etc.

Haywood probably can play long enough to be at least a reasonable back up center when Holiday and Wall are in their prime.

[FromDownTown!]

Sixers are ready to deal. Do we dare mess with the Chemistry?

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...deal_iguodala/

[deamon]

If they want to trade him, Cuban should make a move.

[41mvp]

Originally Posted by deamon

If they want to trade him, Cuban should make a move.

I don't think so!!!In last time Butler plays good basketball.I think probably Butler will be stay in Dallas.But who know,maybe I make mistake!!!

[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by 41mvp

I don't think so!!!In last time Butler plays good basketball.I think probably Butler will be stay in Dallas.But who know,maybe I make mistake!!!

You say Butler plays good basketball in last time.I don't think probably he will be continue this.Maybe Dallas will make trade who know!!!

[41mvp]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

You say Butler plays good basketball in last time.I don't think probably he will be continue this.Maybe Dallas will make trade who know!!!

Butler scoars 13.7 PPG
Iggy scoars 14 PPG.
If you want see more dunks in Dallas choice is easy Iggy will be perfect.But if you want see jump shots Butler must stay in Dallas.Make your choice.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by 41mvp

Butler scoars 13.7 PPG
Iggy scoars 14 PPG.
If you want see more dunks in Dallas choice is easy Iggy will be perfect.But if you want see jump shots Butler must stay in Dallas.Make your choice.

I think you also have to thing about:
- Is caron going to stay and get better. He already looks like he's lost big time hops...I'm thinking it's a quick descent.
- Iggy APG 5.4, Caron 1.5 This is what I want...

But I don't know his BBIQ or his handles...but his Assists per game would be huge imo.

[41mvp]

Caron isn't allstar player right now.But I think he's solid player.Iggy also isn't allastar player.Caron for Iggy...This is difficult choice

[Zaknaf3in]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

You say Butler plays good basketball in last time.I don't think probably he will be continue this.Maybe Dallas will make trade who know!!!

[j0Shi]

Don't get why any team should accept DJ over Roddy as a trade piece.

[grndmstr_c]

Even with Caron's recent turnaround and the relatively poor season Iggy's having, not to mention the contract disparities, I still think a trade with those two as the principles is worth exploring. No reason for either side to rush, though. From Philly's perspective a good stretch from Iggy could boost interest in him around the league, and excepting an injury interest in him should at least remain stable up to the deadline. For Dallas they still have to see what they're going to be able to get from Booby, health-wise and in terms of how he fits into a rotation that's found a nice groove and plentiful success without him.

I am curious what sort of competition there will end up being in the trade market for him, and also how much salary considerations (willingness of trade partner to take on Nocioni, for example) will figure into the Sixers' eventual decision.

[Skywalker]

Sixers Shopping Igoudala

For the better part of the first five weeks of the season, Philadelphia 76ers forward Andre Iguodala has been linked to trade rumors, and for good reason. Iguodala's situation in Philly is past-cliche at this point: semi-star makes more than $10 million a year, his team still loses, it makes more sense for both parties to part ways rather than continue in expensive mediocrity.

While Iguodala has been publicly mum, word started to slip out back in October that he was open to a change of venue. On Sunday, comes word that the Cleveland Cavaliers may be a player in the Iguodala trade market, according to MorningJournal.com.

League sources indicate the Philadelphia 76ers are attempting to trade guard/forward Andre Iguodala.

There is no active dialogue between the Sixers and Cavs right now, but a source said it was one to keep your eye on ... He would fit nicely into the Cavs’ $14.5 million trade exception.
That trade exception, of course, was created by the departure of LeBron James to the Miami Heat this summer. That departure left the Cavs without a credible shot-creator and point-scorer on the wing, and without much reason for fans to continue to purchase tickets. Iguodala would fix those problems, and his price tag would like be worth it to Cavs owner Dan Gilbert, who is desperate for relevancy after getting humiliated (and humiliating himself) this past summer.

The trade exception would be a nice flexibility play for the Sixers, but the price for Iguodala would likely be much higher. A draft pick and a young prospect, at the very least.

One hold up to any Iguodala trade, however, is the uncertain development of Evan Turner. If Turner, the 2010 NBA Draft's No. 2 overall selection, can show he is a legit NBA player by the trade deadline, then moving Iguodala becomes significantly easier. If he's still the nerdtastic and inconsistent player he's shown himself to be so far, parting with Iguodala would set Philadelphia on an even more serious downward spiral.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...48484/26236855

[sefant77]

Of course Cuban wont trade Roddy.

But the way we are running right now i have my doubts how hard he would push for a trade like Iggy+Williams for Butler/Stevenson/Jones/picks...

[BGMaverick9]

It sounds like they're shopping him but they're using the cloak of "speculating" to keep things open. I read a report saying they're just getting a gauge of what his value would be to determine if it's worth pursuing a trade.

[twistaeffect2004]

As much as I like Iggy and the overall package he brings, I think we need to see what this team looks like with a healthy Roddy in the rotation. This team is playing so well, and they're gelling so nicely as a team that making a change right now doesn't seem needed.

I just want Roddy back.

[mac222b]

i'd say if the opportunity arises- and the price is right, they should do it. Caron's value is diminishing even though he's playing better. he's clearly on the downside. seems like the guys who are getting obscenely overvalued as free-agents are PF types- Gooden, Amir Johnson, etc... though im sure there are a few outliers(ben gordon ) i suppose there is the possibility of a sign and trade somewhere. don't see Butler as a guy we'd try and re-sign. he's never really fit.

Iggy on the other hand could really benefit from a trade to a contender. his game and effort would ramp up a notch, presumably. he was pretty sick a couple years back in the playoffs- really stepped up.

he's a better passer, rebounder, defender, ball handler, finisher on the break, moves better w/out the ball and gets to the free-throw line more. he can even help mitigate some of the back-up point guard issues at times. Iggy is more versatile both offensively and defensively. he's also younger and more athletic which never hurts.

Caron seems like a great guy(even though there were some flashes of ego and denial earlier this year during a horrible stretch for him) but i don't see how swapping him for Iggy kills chemistry. this team's defense already looks stellar and the swap would only make that end even better.

Caron's the kind of guy that can catch fire and carry a team for a quarter, plays pretty good on ball defense. but he's a ball stopper;can no longer finish at the rim or on the break;isn't a good ball handler and needs lots of shots to be effective; he doesnt create for others and his rebounding and free throw shooting are even down. he's more of a 6th man but acts like a starter.

Iggy can impact a game w/out dominating the ball and would create more opportunities at the rim(both for himself (5.8 assists per last year!) and others) which, even with a healthy Roddy, this team could use.

Cp's not going anywhere.Melo brings baggage and costs us Roddy. Iggy's just right.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by mac222b

i'd say if the opportunity arises- and the price is right, they should do it. Caron's value is diminishing even though he's playing better. he's clearly on the downside. seems like the guys who are getting obscenely overvalued as free-agents are PF types- Gooden, Amir Johnson, etc... though im sure there are a few outliers(ben gordon ) i suppose there is the possibility of a sign and trade somewhere. don't see Butler as a guy we'd try and re-sign. he's never really fit.

Iggy on the other hand could really benefit from a trade to a contender. his game and effort would ramp up a notch, presumably. he was pretty sick a couple years back in the playoffs- really stepped up.

he's a better passer, rebounder, defender, ball handler, finisher on the break, moves better w/out the ball and gets to the free-throw line more. he can even help mitigate some of the back-up point guard issues at times. Iggy is more versatile both offensively and defensively. he's also younger and more athletic which never hurts.

Caron seems like a great guy(even though there were some flashes of ego and denial earlier this year during a horrible stretch for him) but i don't see how swapping him for Iggy kills chemistry. this team's defense already looks stellar and the swap would only make that end even better.

Caron's the kind of guy that can catch fire and carry a team for a quarter, plays pretty good on ball defense. but he's a ball stopper;can no longer finish at the rim or on the break;isn't a good ball handler and needs lots of shots to be effective; he doesnt create for others and his rebounding and free throw shooting are even down. he's more of a 6th man but acts like a starter.

Iggy can impact a game w/out dominating the ball and would create more opportunities at the rim(both for himself (5.8 assists per last year!) and others) which, even with a healthy Roddy, this team could use.

Cp's not going anywhere.Melo brings baggage and costs us Roddy. Iggy's just right.

Ian Mahinmi, what you think?

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Ian Mahinmi, what you think?

Sold!

i have a feeling they'll hold the line at needing a 1st round pick.
Butler, DeShawn, 1st rd. pick and maybe Dojo for Iggy/Nocioni?
pretty fair swap, actually. they save a TON of money by getting under the cap.

Cleveland has the trade exception and higher 1st rounder but i'm not sure they'd part with what may turn out to be a lottery pick.

[Thomas86]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Sold!

i have a feeling they'll hold the line at needing a 1st round pick.
Butler, DeShawn, 1st rd. pick and maybe Dojo for Iggy/Nocioni?
pretty fair swap, actually. they save a TON of money by getting under the cap.

Cleveland has the trade exception and higher 1st rounder but i'm not sure they'd part with what may turn out to be a lottery pick.

I want to keep him...

I dout the 76ers would want DoJo but you never know.

[deamon]

Trade Butler for Iggy, but please don't use Roddy in this deal.

[sefant77]

I also dont think Iggy would kill the chemistry. Iggys only weakness is a shaky jumper but lets be honest Butler is also far away from a kickass midrange game.

In every other category Iggy holds an advantage:
defending
passing
transition
slashing/getting to the line (another step away from "do or die with the jumpshot")
durability
age

Another thing is contract&age. Iggy has 4 years left, so at the end of our Dirk window he is "just" 31. If he keep Butler, Cuban wont let him just walk. He will get a Marion type deal. 4-5 years running until he is 35. That means in the 2nd half of Dirks extension we are REALLY old, almost every key guy except Chandler/Roddy being 33 or older.

Paul will stay in NO this season and Carmella would cost us Roddy, Butler and maybe even Chandler (for Anthony/Smith/Anderson).

Yes, Iggy isnt the scoring robin but that would be kind of just Carmella anyway. But we would have three different robins to step up: the shooter Terry, the slasher Iggy and Roddy that is able to do both.

So even with our run i do the deal (of course without Roddy or Chandler). Our defense cant get worse and i dont see how Iggy would be overall worse than Butler.

[sefant77]

If we throw in Stevenson we could send with cash for the buyout and sign him later with parts of our MLE.

I doubt the Sixers have any use for him during the tanking season after the Iggy trade.

[dalger]

Originally Posted by sefant77

I also dont think Iggy would kill the chemistry. Iggys only weakness is a shaky jumper but lets be honest Butler is also far away from a kickass midrange game.

In every other category Iggy holds an advantage:
defending
passing
transition
slashing/getting to the line (another step away from "do or die with the jumpshot")
durability
age

Another thing is contract&age. Iggy has 4 years left, so at the end of our Dirk window he is "just" 31. If he keep Butler, Cuban wont let him just walk. He will get a Marion type deal. 4-5 years running until he is 35. That means in the 2nd half of Dirks extension we are REALLY old, almost every guy key except Chandler/Roddy being 33 or older.

Yes, Iggy isnt the scoring robin but that would be kind of just Carmella anyway. But we would have three different robins to step up: the shooter Terry, the slasher Iggy and Roddy that is able to do both.

So even with our run i do the deal (of course without Roddy or Chandler). Our defense cant get worse and i dont see how Iggy would be overall worse than Butler.

Pretty much agree on all of this. If we decide to keep Caron past the February deadline, he'll probably sign a Marion-like deal and remain an aging and declining Maverick for years to come, even though all of that is hard to foresee due to the new CBA.

It seems to me that Iggy could be the final step we need after acquiring Chandler and building up Roddy to make us a legitimate contender that's not a clear-cut underdog against the Lakers or Celtics.

However, I'm not under the impression that our FO is really going for anything since we've played great ball so far and the team's chemistry is apparently off the charts. Of course, I could be dead wrong on this.

[Male30Dan]

Dear Lord please let Iggy become a Maverick... The defense, rebounding, passing, slashing, etc would ALL improve.

A lineup with Roddy would be super sexy (Jet as 6th man as usual and Marion off the bench):

Kidd
Roddy
Iggy
Dirk
Chandler

I would also suggest we play Roddy minutes without Kidd where possible with him manning the 1 offensively so that you can see if he could be your PG of the future. If he can, TERRIFIC, as then you have the following for the future a year and a half from now:

Roddy
Iggy
____ (Marion maybe, but unlikely he is still here)
Dirk
Chandler

If he can't, the following:

_____ (Dojo maybe, or did he leave for Iggy?)
Roddy
Iggy
Dirk
Chandler

Either way there are a lot of options. Even if it turns out Roddy doesn't have what it takes to start for us this year (and even potentially in the future) you have him as a spark plug with Terry off of the bench and you can move Iggy to the 2 with Kidd and have Marion start at the 3. Again, a lot of options.

[jthig32]

Why is it unlikely that Marion is still here a year and a half from now?

And I can not support playing Roddy at PG this season after seeing the summer league. I still think he will be able to do it eventually, but it's going to take more time than we have right now.

[Male30Dan]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Why is it unlikely that Marion is still here a year and a half from now?

And I can not support playing Roddy at PG this season after seeing the summer league. I still think he will be able to do it eventually, but it's going to take more time than we have right now.

Ability... But the real reason I was suggesting that I was wrong about (just looked on HoopsHype.com). I thought he had 1 more year remaining after Kidd's contract ended but he has 2. I assumed he would be a good trade asset beginning that year but he is ours for this year and 2 more as things look now (maybe all 4).

And yeah, that is why the TERRIFIC (i.e. a PLUS not expected) as I don't see it either. Keep in mind that was suggested 1.5 years from now as well, not NOW. I said get him some burn NOW, but I don't see him being tremendous in that role immediately by any means.

[41mvp]

hey you know I think Iggy topic is close.He probably will go to Cavs.But we never give up. if we want him,we must start negotiations now.

[Male30Dan]

It will be unfortunate for both the Cavs and for Iggy if he goes there. He can't be a number 1 guy. He doesn't have those abilities. I think they will expect too much of him and he will be considered a failure. Iggy is not Batman, but he is a damn fine Robin.

[41mvp]

Originally Posted by Male29Dan

It will be unfortunate for both the Cavs and for Iggy if he goes there. He can't be a number 1 guy. He doesn't have those abilities. I think they will expect too much of him and he will be considered a failure. Iggy is not Batman, but he is a damn fine Robin.

Yes you have right.He can't be number!In Dallas we have leader his name is Dirk Nowitzki.He will be number 2 in ours team.If he will be happy in Dallas?I think Yes.We need damn fine Robin.So far we have Caron Butler.And he is disappointment so far.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by jthig32

And I can not support playing Roddy at PG this season after seeing the summer league. I still think he will be able to do it eventually, but it's going to take more time than we have right now.

I have to agree with you. He didn't look like he had any instincts to play that position.

[dalger]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Iggy eventually landed elsewhere. It doesn't look like we want him badly and, contrary to prior years, it's not that we desperately need to do something to be able to compete with certain top teams. Iggy's probably the best player available and there seem to be a lot of trade exceptions and expiring contracts out there to make a deal happen, so I don't expect us to be the frontrunners.

[sefant77]

Well, our advantage is that Butler still has some re-sign or S&T value for the Sixers compared to the dead corpses of Peja, Jeffries/Battier etc.