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kg_veteran · 12-17-2010, 09:55 AM

I saw a mention of a potential trade at LMF, and thought I'd throw it out here for consideration.

Haywood/Beaubois
for
Kevin Martin

Would you do it?

sike · 12-17-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

I saw a mention of a potential trade at LMF, and thought I'd throw it out here for consideration.

Haywood/Beaubois
for
Kevin Martin

Would you do it?

That is a high price.

A lot of it depends on what the coaching staff and FO think about Ian's ability to be a legit full time back up.

jthig32 · 12-17-2010, 10:26 AM

In a heartbeat.

Dear God I wish we could have landed Martin last year.

kg_veteran · 12-17-2010, 10:28 AM

I would make the trade. I won't say it would be easy, but I'd definitely do it.

sike · 12-17-2010, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

I saw a mention of a potential trade at LMF, and thought I'd throw it out here for consideration.

Haywood/Beaubois
for
Kevin Martin

Would you do it?

Just to be clear, this is purely fans throwing stuff against the wall, right?

jthig32 · 12-17-2010, 10:30 AM

I think it's pretty easy. Kevin Martin is pretty much exactly this team needs.

sike · 12-17-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I think it's pretty easy. Kevin Martin is pretty much exactly this team needs.

were you saying this at the deadline last season?

jthig32 · 12-17-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

were you saying this at the deadline last season?

Yes

kg_veteran · 12-17-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

Just to be clear, this is purely fans throwing stuff against the wall, right?

Apparently, there was some mention on Hoopsworld of a potential Haywood/Stevenson for Martin deal (which is a HUGE no-brainer), and then TMavFan asked whether people would do the deal if it was Beaubois instead.

41mvp · 12-17-2010, 10:38 AM

do it!!!

Underdog · 12-17-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Apparently, there was some mention on Hoopsworld of a potential Haywood/Stevenson for Martin deal (which is a HUGE no-brainer), and then TMavFan asked whether people would do the deal if it was Beaubois instead.

Isn't Beaubois' potential ceiling somewhere in Kevin Martin territory?

Talent in the hand is worth 2 in the bank (or something like that) - I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat...

kg_veteran · 12-17-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I think it's pretty easy. Kevin Martin is pretty much exactly this team needs.

Yes, he is.

Second scorer? Check. (Easily a 20 ppg guy.)
Extremely efficient? Check. (TS% - .626)
Able to create his own shot and score off the dribble? Check. (USG% - 28.4; FT/G - 8.6; FT% - .907)

kg_veteran · 12-17-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Isn't Beaubois' potential ceiling somewhere in Kevin Martin territory?

Talent in the hand is worth 2 in the bank (or something like that) - I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat...

They're not exactly the same player, but I'd say that's probably true.

kg_veteran · 12-17-2010, 10:45 AM

Chandler - Mahinmi
Nowitzki - Marion
Butler - Stevenson
Martin - Terry
Kidd - Barea

kg_veteran · 12-17-2010, 10:47 AM

Did I mention that his middle name is Dallas?

Seems like this deal is meant to be.

FreshJive · 12-17-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Apparently, there was some mention on Hoopsworld of a potential Haywood/Stevenson for Martin deal (which is a HUGE no-brainer), and then TMavFan asked whether people would do the deal if it was Beaubois instead.

Fish said it was ingram but I couldn't find it. Fish is trying to confirm.

41mvp · 12-17-2010, 10:48 AM

he's scorers player.He can shoots for three.I want see him in mavericks jersey

kg_veteran · 12-17-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

Fish said it was ingram but I couldn't find it. Fish is trying to confirm.

From Fish:

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DONUT 11: Bill Ingram offered up a rumor/report last night about Houston examining Brendan Haywood with the intent of trading Kevin Martin for him. Give me a minute before evaluating such a trade because first I'm going to find somebody at Mavs HQ who could confirm this.

For the moment, I’m sticking with the DB.com exclusive we wrote just before this rumor broke regarding Dallas’ view on trading the admittedly-struggling Big Wood. ... and the Mavs' desire to retain him. But Kevin Martin?
Hmmm. Let me sniff around.

This may be a rapidly developing thing with Yao's injury. The Mavs would/should be all over this.

sike · 12-17-2010, 10:52 AM

Fish's stuff on this: http://mavericks.scout.com/2/1032030.html

By Mike Fisher
DallasBasketball.com
Posted Dec 17, 2010

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There is no meeting of the trade-making brains here yet. But we know that Brendan Haywood is on the mind of the center-starved Rockets. And we know that as always, Kevin Martin is on the minds of the “second-star’’-searching Mavs. Two sources with knowledge of the teams’ views tell DallasBasketball.com of the clubs’ so-far independent thinking on the two players.

The first important quote: “(Houston) is definitely looking for help at center.’’

The second important quote: “Yes, (the Mavericks) are Kevin Martin guys.’’

The Rockets’ motivation regarding center help is obvious: Yao Ming’s injuries seem to be leading to the end of his career. Hoopsworld’s Bill Ingram noted that Rockets scouts have been eyeing Haywood as a potential replacement, a view that we’ve confirmed this morning.

Haywood is experiencing an unfortunate early season for Dallas, having lost the starting job to Tyson Chandler and now playing such a limited role that third-stringer Ian Mahinmi is eating into his minutes. It is the Mavs’ position that they want to retain Haywood (as detailed here), who just this summer signed a deal that guarantees him five years and $43 million.

Of course, the Mavs said that before knowing what Houston’s position on Haywood might be … and probably without knowledge of Martin’s potential availability.

Martin, by the way, still doesn’t count as “available’’; while we have two pieces of this – Houston’s interest in Haywood and Dallas’ long-standing interest in Martin – we don’t have the piece that place Martin on the block. (Does Houston really employ enough wings to make a 23-ppg guy expendable?)

But we do know of Dallas’ interest. … or rather, “intense’’ interest, as one source puts it.

The 6-7 shooting guard has long been on the Mavs’ radar; last winter, before pulling the trigger on dealing Josh Howard for Caron Butler, Dallas talked to Sacramento about doing the same thing for Martin. This season, having been dealt to the Rockets, Martin, 27, is scoring 23 points per game.

Martin is 11th in the NBA in scoring and seems to be a legit All-Star candidate. As Ziller of Sactown Royalty notes:

“He's doing it with remarkable efficiency: he's shooting a True Shooting percentage of .631 (second among 20-point scorers), bolstered by 41.9 percent shooting on three-pointers and a league-best 91.8 percent on free throws, of which he takes nine per game, the league's fourth-highest average.’’

Despite Martin’s struggles as a defender, he would arguably qualify as the “Robin’’ to Dirk Nowitzki’s “Batman’’ – a never-ending search in Dallas.

kg_veteran · 12-17-2010, 10:53 AM

Talk about rapidly developing. More from Fish:

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Exclusive: Rox Eye Haywood, Mavs Covet Martin
Story URL: http://mavericks.scout.com/2/1032030.html
Mike Fisher
DallasBasketball.comDec 17, 2010
There is no meeting of the trade-making brains here yet. But we know that Brendan Haywood is on the mind of the center-starved Rockets. And we know that as always, Kevin Martin is on the minds of the “second-star’’-searching Mavs. Two sources with knowledge of the teams’ views tell DallasBasketball.com of the clubs’ so-far independent thinking on the two players.

The first important quote: “(Houston) is definitely looking for help at center.’’

The second important quote: “Yes, (the Mavericks) are Kevin Martin guys.’’

The Rockets’ motivation regarding center help is obvious: Yao Ming’s injuries seem to be leading to the end of his career. Hoopsworld’s Bill Ingram noted that Rockets scouts have been eyeing Haywood as a potential replacement, a view that we’ve confirmed this morning.

Haywood is experiencing an unfortunate early season for Dallas, having lost the starting job to Tyson Chandler and now playing such a limited role that third-stringer Ian Mahinmi is eating into his minutes. It is the Mavs’ position that they want to retain Haywood (as detailed here), who just this summer signed a deal that guarantees him five years and $43 million.

Of course, the Mavs said that before knowing what Houston’s position on Haywood might be … and probably without knowledge of Martin’s potential availability.

Martin, by the way, still doesn’t count as “available’’; while we have two pieces of this – Houston’s interest in Haywood and Dallas’ long-standing interest in Martin – we don’t have the piece that place Martin on the block. (Does Houston really employ enough wings to make a 23-ppg guy expendable?)

But we do know of Dallas’ interest. … or rather, “intense’’ interest, as one source puts it.

The 6-7 shooting guard has long been on the Mavs’ radar; last winter, before pulling the trigger on dealing Josh Howard for Caron Butler, Dallas talked to Sacramento about doing the same thing for Martin. This season, having been dealt to the Rockets, Martin, 27, is scoring 23 points per game.

Martin is 11th in the NBA in scoring and seems to be a legit All-Star candidate. As Ziller of Sactown Royalty notes:

“He's doing it with remarkable efficiency: he's shooting a True Shooting percentage of .631 (second among 20-point scorers), bolstered by 41.9 percent shooting on three-pointers and a league-best 91.8 percent on free throws, of which he takes nine per game, the league's fourth-highest average.’’

Despite Martin’s struggles as a defender, he would arguably qualify as the “Robin’’ to Dirk Nowitzki’s “Batman’’ – a never-ending search in Dallas.

We haven’t yet pieced together what might be on the table because we haven’t confirmed that there have been serious conversations. (Unlike what we know about Dallas’ pursuit of Carmelo Anthony, which – despite what folks in New York and New Jersey believe, and despite the probably pipe-dreamy nature of it – is very real.)

Martin is no ‘Melo. But he might be almost infinitely more attainable.

We know Houston has an intense need. We know the Mavs have an “intense’’ fondness for Martin.

We’ll continue to explore whether there is a match.

sike · 12-17-2010, 10:54 AM

Looks like it might have legs...

If this happens, we all owe a huge "thank you" to Josh Howard.

jthig32 · 12-17-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Chandler - Mahinmi
Nowitzki - Marion
Butler - Stevenson
Martin - Terry
Kidd - Barea

I would (to the surprise of no one) rather see Marion starting next to Martin. And I think Jet would get some or all of the backup PG minutes.

But regardless, any mixture of those players would be fantastic.

kg_veteran · 12-17-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

Just to be clear, this is purely fans throwing stuff against the wall, right?

So, to get back to this, apparently not!

kg_veteran · 12-17-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I would (to the surprise of no one) rather see Marion starting next to Martin. And I think Jet would get some or all of the backup PG minutes.

But regardless, any mixture of those players would be fantastic.

I banged that out quickly just so that I could think through it, but I agree. Fixed:

Chandler/Mahinmi 48
Nowitzki 36 - Marion 12
Marion 20 - Butler 20 - Stevenson 8
Martin 36 - Terry 12
Kidd 32 - Terry 16

41mvp · 12-17-2010, 10:58 AM

do it please!!!

sike · 12-17-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

So, to get back to this, apparently not!

hahaha...good times.

Kidd, Terry, Martin, Butler, Marion, Dirk, Chandler...Terry and Bulter the odd men out to close games?

I'm good with that.

I hate when these kind of rumors get buzzing only to NOT happen.

This trade would literally be like simply adding Kevin Martin to our existing 2010/2011 team.

Roddy hasn't played and Wood can't take minutes from a 3rd string center with almost no experience.

kg_veteran · 12-17-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

This trade would literally be like simply adding Kevin Martin to our existing 2010/2011 team.

Bingo.

Underdog · 12-17-2010, 11:07 AM

Wow, this is moving quickly...

sike · 12-17-2010, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Wow, this is moving quickly...

well....

Underdog · 12-17-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

well....

I meant the info is coming out quickly...

stuportremens · 12-17-2010, 11:12 AM

Kevin Martin has always had good scoring numbers and percentages, but it haven't seen it translate into team success. His horrible defense might have something to do with that.

I may be wrong, but to me he looks like the ultimate fools gold type.

sike · 12-17-2010, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I meant the info is coming out quickly...

I really hope this isn't just smoke...

Martin, in my mind, IS a legit second scorer. Not a "could be some day".

Underdog · 12-17-2010, 11:15 AM

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“He's doing it with remarkable efficiency: he's shooting a True Shooting percentage of .631 (second among 20-point scorers), bolstered by 41.9 percent shooting on three-pointers and a league-best 91.8 percent on free throws, of which he takes nine per game, the league's fourth-highest average.’’

It would almost be unfair to the rest of the league if we paired this guy with Dirk - we'd be unbelievably efficient on offense...

FreshJive · 12-17-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

hahaha...good times.

Kidd, Terry, Martin, Butler, Marion, Dirk, Chandler...Terry and Bulter the odd men out to close games?

I'm good with that.

I hate when these kind of rumors get buzzing only to NOT happen.

This trade would literally be like simply adding Kevin Martin to our existing 2010/2011 team.

Roddy hasn't played and Wood can't take minutes from a 3rd string center with almost no experience.

Amazing that we have become so center rich that this is true.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 12-17-2010, 11:22 AM

LOL at yall thinking the MBT's favorite Puerto Rican player would lose all of his backup PG minutes.

Funkman · 12-17-2010, 11:26 AM

Ingram may have got something right? It's a holiday miracle!!

But it's not set in stone that Roddy's the throw in with Wood, right?

Rick41 · 12-17-2010, 11:29 AM

This trade rumor has given me a stiffy.

I hope to god this goes down.

I'm skeptical of throwing Roddy into the trade. But I would send Haywood/Stevenson straight up for Martin IN A HEARTBEAT.

FromDownTown! · 12-17-2010, 11:30 AM

I'm all for Martin in a Mav's Uniform, but lets figure out a way to keep Roddy here.

dude1394 · 12-17-2010, 11:32 AM

Martin -- PER 17.8
Haywood -- PER 7.38
D-Steve -- PER 5.23
Roddy -- PER 0.00

Yeah...sorta gotta do that one. Good thing Haywood is tall.

stuportremens · 12-17-2010, 11:39 AM

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Martin -- PER 17.8
Haywood -- PER 7.38
D-Steve -- PER 5.23
Roddy -- PER 0.00

Yeah...sorta gotta do that one. Good thing Haywood is tall.

Well, last year, Roddy had a PER of 18.5 (17.4 in the playoffs).