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sefant77 · 04-27-2012, 05:20 PM

This thread for all the discussions around our own pick.

We were tied for the 16th pick with the Knicks and Jazz. Lost the tiebreaker to the Knicks, won over Utah.

Mavs will pick #17 in a overall considered good draft.

Since its hard to grab at #17 player with immediatly impact i think we will trade this pick. Either with Odom/Jones to erase their salary or for a proven role player.

Draft order:
1. Bobcats - (25%)
2. Wizards - (19.9%)
3. Cleveland - (13.8%)
4. Hornets - (13.7%)
5. Sacramento - (7.6%)
6. Portland(via Nets top 3 protected) - (7.5%)
7. Warriors(Utah'z pick, top 7 protected) - (3.6%)
8. Raptors - (3.5%)
9. Detroit - (1.7%)
10. Hornets(via Minnesota) - (1.1%)
11. Portland - (0.8%)
12. Bucks - (0.7%)
13. Suns - (0.6%)
14. Houston - (0.5%)

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15. Sixers
16. Houston(via Knicks)
17. Dallas
18. Minnesota(via Utah)
19. Orlando
20. Denver
21. Boston
22. Boston(via Clippers)
23. Atlanta
24. Cleveland(via Lakers)
25. Memphis
26. Indiana
27. Miami
28. Oklahoma City
29. Chicago
30. Golden State(via Spurs)

chumdawg · 04-27-2012, 09:55 PM

Ever since Mo Ager, I haven't been too excited about the Mavs draft.

jthig32 · 04-28-2012, 01:31 AM

I think it's very, very unlikely that the Mavs start the season with a player drafted with this pick.

CaseyJones · 04-28-2012, 02:52 AM

Theres a couple players that they could possibly get that may be worth keeping

nowhereman · 04-30-2012, 12:08 AM

I really wish the team would consider / held the assets to move up into the top 10. The Mavs haven't drafted a reliable rotation player since Devin Harris. With the new CBA, Cuban has to realize the value of impact rookie-wage players, right?

That said, I don't think the Mavs have a first round pick this year.

jthig32 · 04-30-2012, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

That said, I don't think the Mavs have a first round pick this year.

Yes they do.

He15man · 04-30-2012, 01:14 AM

If Brad Beal, shooting guard out of Florida falls down to 17th he would be a great pick up for Dallas.

He's been projected top 5, some say top 10. You never know with all the Kentucky guys going pro, add in a few Europeans.

I would love to see Bradley Beal fall to the Mavs but i doubt it happens.

nowhereman · 04-30-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Yes they do.

Right now they do. I don't think they'll hold on to the pick.

Budapest Maverick · 05-13-2012, 03:11 AM

I'm really intrigued about 2 prospects in our range, Meyers Leonard, and Terrence Ross. Leonard is a C, elite athlete, with elite size (7'0), and a good defender, with an improving all-around game, he can get selected as high as 8-10 though. Ross is a 6'6 shooting guard, he's very athletic himself, and a natural shooter, he has a pretty grood stroke from deep, he shot 37% from 3, but he had lots of dribble, and pull up 3 judging by his mix, with us he'd get clean looks, and i think he should be able to shoot it around 40%. He's a good defender as well, he could get selected in the lottery as well, but most pegs him down around 15-17, so in our range.

Leonard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LWNpaPEw6o

Ross: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CYeHHeI4fg

They does not look like the next Podkolzin, or Mo Ager. We better keep this year's pick. This is said to be one of the deepest first round in NBA history. Not a lot of potential hall of fame prospect, but lots of potential starter, and rotation prospect.

Quetzalcoatl · 05-13-2012, 04:22 AM

I think they are interesting players, but I doubt if Leonard will be available for the 17th pick.

Ross meanwhile could be a good adquisition. Is he more a 2 or a 3?

Budapest Maverick · 05-13-2012, 04:32 AM

From what i've gathered, it looks like he's a prototypical shooting guard, with a very good stroke. And they also say, he has very good court vision, though his assist averages does not really reflect that. But court vision not always has a direct correlation with assist numbers, especially in college ball. Yeah, unfortunately there is a good chance Leonard gets selected in the lottery, maybe as high as 7 or 8. Somebody in that range will gamble on a talented big man. Still, Ross would be awesome, of course you can't be sure, but he would be our most interesting prospect with Roddy in the last 8 years. It would be time that we find a gem just like the Spurs seemingly does almost every year.

mavs777 · 05-13-2012, 11:29 PM

Not a fan of Leonard while he is skilled and can play from the high post he needs to get his upper stronger and plays soft and passive. Meanwhile Ross is a guy who can contribute right away, he has everything but handles, he can knock down threes well off the catch and shoot and is a very good defender.

EricaLubarsky · 05-14-2012, 12:47 AM

Kevin Murphy could be a steal for this team and he's really flying under the radar. He's decent defensively and an absolute beast from outside.

Jeffery Taylor could be a very good pickup and he won't take much to transition. Doesnt have a jumper but he gets his hands on a lot of balls and he could catch a lot of oops if we land Deron.

I like the idea of Ross because its always great to have a shooter and we certainly need to surround Dirk with a big down low, a PG and some shooters. Not everyone needs to be a playmaker if we get Deron.

Austin Rivers is a must if he drops. He's a Kev-Mart starter kit with a great all around game and an underrated feel for the game.

Not at all impressed with any of the prospects at center. Lots of SFs and undersized PFs again. Lots of talent but just a glut at 6'7"

sefant77 · 05-15-2012, 02:45 PM

We gonna pack our pick anyway...for a veteran player or to dumo salary.

aexchange · 05-15-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

We gonna pack our pick anyway...for a veteran player or to dumo salary.

I don't think we can since technically next season our pick could fall outside of the top 20 and would need to be conferred to the Lakers. Someone who has read up on the CBA, help me out on this one.

EricaLubarsky · 05-15-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

I don't think we can since technically next season our pick could fall outside of the top 20 and would need to be conferred to the Lakers. Someone who has read up on the CBA, help me out on this one.

If I understand what Sefant was saying, there isnt a reason we can't.

We can trade either the 17th pick or the rights to whoever we pick at #17 to anyone and its all free and clear. All we owe is the next draft pick we have that is below 19.

The problem is for other teams primarily in that it ties up future draft picks, so if we trade our 2013 first rounder and next year we also end up 1-19, then whoever got our 2013 pick would have to wait until the Lakers (or whoever currently held the rights to that pick) got theirs. It mostly impacts the other team but teams may be less likely to trade with us if they know that they will be second in line for a pick.

Say, if we trade this year's 17 for a 2013 first rounder from Milwaukee-- we'd still have Milwaukee's pick regardless of where Milwaukee drafted, even if they drafted 20-30. Lakers get the first original MAVS pick that falls below 19, unless we never draft that low for the next 5 years. So if we did that Milwaukee trade and ended up in the same spot again next year and got a 16th pick overall, we'd have our 16th (which we wouldnt have to give up) AND Milwaukee's.

mavs777 · 05-16-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

We gonna pack our pick anyway...for a veteran player or to dumo salary.

maybe for a veteran player but i highly doubt we use the pick to dump salary. Given Carlisle's comments that I believe BG posted on his twitter page they are about to start getting serious about evaluating draft prospects.

jthig32 · 05-16-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

I don't think we can since technically next season our pick could fall outside of the top 20 and would need to be conferred to the Lakers. Someone who has read up on the CBA, help me out on this one.

They can just draft for someone and then trade the pick. The rule against trading consecutive first rounders only applies to future picks.

clutch#41 · 05-18-2012, 03:50 PM

been to a few draft sites and they have the mavs picking terrence ross!! not bad if you ask me. the mavs need to hit on this draft pick this year!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92pQIYhLo-k

BGMaverick9 · 05-18-2012, 06:58 PM

Thought this had some good tidbits
http://www.nba.com/news/features/dav...rds/index.html

They always have the option of trading up: 17 and something like Roddy could possibly get you higher in the draft.

mavs777 · 05-19-2012, 12:42 AM

aldridge having ross as a borderline first rounder and behind the likes of waiters (who can't shoot and is undersized) and jenkins (who can only shoot) is pretty funny imo.

Underdog · 05-19-2012, 09:15 AM

Pacers reminding me just how good the #17 pick can be - both Granger and Hibbert were drafted 17th overall...

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-19-2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Pacers reminding me just how good the #17 pick can be - both Granger and Hibbert were drafted 17th overall...

And Shumpert last draft has turned out to be a pretty decent player. Definitely shouldn't waste it unless they want to trade up.

BGMaverick9 · 05-23-2012, 03:14 PM

Arnett Moultrie was in town this week for a workout

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...Moultrie-5754/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/arnett-moultrie
http://www.nba.com/news/features/dav...rds/index.html

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-23-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Arnett Moultrie was in town this week for a workout

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...Moultrie-5754/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/arnett-moultrie
http://www.nba.com/news/features/dav...rds/index.html

That's kinda exciting. He'd be a good pick. I hope they also work out Leonard and Ross.

mac222b · 05-24-2012, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

aldridge having ross as a borderline first rounder and behind the likes of waiters (who can't shoot and is undersized) and jenkins (who can only shoot) is pretty funny imo.

Waiters can shoot and actually has NBA range. I'd be thrilled if
we got him at 17.

sike · 05-24-2012, 09:21 AM

WWSAD?

Bayliss · 05-24-2012, 05:36 PM

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WWSAD?

Tank a year and grab the first pick and draft the best PF ever? While still having a Top 10-Top 15 center on their roster as well?

clutch#41 · 05-24-2012, 09:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQR4UJK7Hn8

he reminds me of KG.

spreedom · 05-25-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Tank a year and grab the first pick and draft the best PF ever? While still having a Top 10-Top 15 center on their roster as well?

Keep in mind that Duncan is also the only player on the roster that they drafted higher than #15 overall.

The Spurs' on-court personnel might be a pack of douchey crybabies, but every organization could learn a thing or two from the Spurs' front office.

mavs777 · 05-25-2012, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQR4UJK7Hn8

he reminds me of KG.

His demeanor and effort is the exact opposite of KG.

OneLove22 · 05-31-2012, 03:39 AM

Right now I'm reading Mocks that have us taking Dion Waiters at #17.

Wouldn't that be real nice.

OneLove22 · 05-31-2012, 03:55 AM

Also, Stern rigged the lottery.

b_o_r · 05-31-2012, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Thought this had some good tidbits
http://www.nba.com/news/features/dav...rds/index.html

They always have the option of trading up: 17 and something like Roddy could possibly get you higher in the draft.

Just about to post that.
Roddy/17th pick/55th to New Orleans for the 10th pick. NO will be looking to get a point guard with their 2nd pick.

edit....
NO will probably package the 10th pick to get rid of Jarrett Jack's and or Ariza's contract.

Mocks have the Suns picking Ross and the 76ers picking Moultrie. If those are the guys they are looking at the Mavs will need to move up.

Not big on ball dominant 2's, so no to Austin Rivers.

Scott McGuire · 05-31-2012, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OneLove22

Also, Stern rigged the lottery.

Come on… you don't really believe that? Do you?

If he wanted to rig it wouldn't he have wanted the Nets to win? Or maybe the Kings to help them stay in Sacramento? Or to the Bobcats so they could be viable. Or, or, or…..

The greatest percentage odds yesterday would be that people would think Stern rigged it. The reason is because it didn't matter who won.

He already sold the Hornets anyway.

The best thing that happened yesterday was that tanking didn't get rewarded. There is no doubt tanking works, but it didn't this year. The Hornets tried all season and never lost on purpose. Monty had them diving on the floor and scrapping to win games while Cleveland, Golden State, and Sacramento looked as if tanking was the strategy. Golden State was especially egregious in it's tanking.

I'm not calling out the Bobcats… they were trying hard, but were the worst team of all time.

Underdog · 05-31-2012, 08:55 AM

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The best thing that happened yesterday was that tanking didn't get rewarded. There is no doubt tanking works, but it didn't this year.

It's been 8 years since the worst team got the first pick... I understand not rewarding a team that tanks, but what about teams that are just BAD, like the Bobcats? They suck every year, but they never get any better through the draft because they never get a top pick - there's definitely a downside to the lottery system that ASSUMES that all the worst teams are tanking.

EDIT: I should make it clear that I don't think the draft was rigged, I just think it's an unjust system in its current form (nor do I have any ideas on how to fix it).

b_o_r · 05-31-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

It's been 8 years since the worst team got the first pick... I understand not rewarding a team that tanks, but what about teams that are just BAD, like the Bobcats? They suck every year, but they never get any better through the draft because they never get a top pick - there's definitely a downside to the lottery system that ASSUMES that all the worst teams are tanking.

EDIT: I should make it clear that I don't think the draft was rigged, I just think it's an unjust system in its current form (nor do I have any ideas on how to fix it).

Or you draft Kemba Walker when you already had DJ Augustine and had several of areas of need. Look at some of the players that they passed over. Bobcats have made some poor draft decisions of the years.

Scott McGuire · 05-31-2012, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

It's been 8 years since the worst team got the first pick... I understand not rewarding a team that tanks, but what about teams that are just BAD, like the Bobcats? They suck every year, but they never get any better through the draft because they never get a top pick - there's definitely a downside to the lottery system that ASSUMES that all the worst teams are tanking.

EDIT: I should make it clear that I don't think the draft was rigged, I just think it's an unjust system in its current form (nor do I have any ideas on how to fix it).

72.4% chance rests in the worst 4. Can we agree that this is adequate in compensation for the bottom 4? I think it's fair to give the bottom 4 a near 3/4ths chance.

I personally like the more equal chance these 4 teams get. Tanking and sucking cannot be separated. I understand the need for terrible teams to get better, but we can't dangle a 33% or higher prize to the worst team. If someone like LeBron was coming out the next year people would consider roster moves to improve their chances. If it was 50% or more then it would be begging for tanking.

mavs777 · 05-31-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by b_o_r

Or you draft Kemba Walker when you already had DJ Augustine and had several of areas of need. Look at some of the players that they passed over. Bobcats have made some poor draft decisions of the years.

Sorry but when you are so bad like the Bobcats were the last thing to do is draft based on need, you take the best talent available period. In not too long Kemba will be better than DJ Augustine.

mac222b · 05-31-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by b_o_r

Just about to post that.
Roddy/17th pick/55th to New Orleans for the 10th pick. NO will be looking to get a point guard with their 2nd pick.

edit....
NO will probably package the 10th pick to get rid of Jarrett Jack's and or Ariza's contract.

Mocks have the Suns picking Ross and the 76ers picking Moultrie. If those are the guys they are looking at the Mavs will need to move up.

Not big on ball dominant 2's, so no to Austin Rivers.

Thats ALOT to give up for the 10th pick. I wouldnt give Roddy straight up for the 10th pick.