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DevinHarriswillstart · 08-31-2022, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

yes its nuts. luka will be looking outside of dallas by the end of the season. and they definitely arent looking at a playoff spot

I want no part of WB, but you have to at least consider the financial gain in that scenario. Pretty sure we would have a max spot open next summer depending on who they included.

Of course, the Mavs suck at FA, so there is that.

SMC0007 · 08-31-2022, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

You guys will think I'm nuts, but bring in Westbrook. We aren't contenders anyways as constructed.

THJ, Bertan, Powell

for

Westbrook, Reaves, FRP

Lakers get some shooters around Bron. Mavs gain long-term flexibility.

And then what?

tap2390 · 08-31-2022, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

And then what?

Profit

J/k.... I think we're not that much worse than last season. THJ was hurt, Bertans was streaky, Powell has been replaced by Wood...

RWB is our second ball handler and fills in the usage hole left by JB. At the end of the year he comes off the books and we're back to plan powder with the bad salaries off.

Melonhead · 08-31-2022, 06:37 PM

Doesn?t matter if the Mavs had 100 million in space. It won?t get us players in free agency. Cuban is still the owner. I watched a lot of lakers last year. It cannot be overstated how bad Westbrook is.

EricaLubarsky · 08-31-2022, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Doesn?t matter if the Mavs had 100 million in space. It won?t get us players in free agency. Cuban is still the owner. I watched a lot of lakers last year. It cannot be overstated how bad Westbrook is.

The worst part is he doesn't know how bad he is. He honestly thinks he's the best guy on the floor.

BPo001 · 09-01-2022, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

The worst part is he doesn't know how bad he is. He honestly thinks he's the best guy on the floor.

He?s this generations AI. He doesn?t change his game to a role player because he wants to be a ball dominant PG. Going to go from league MVP, to journeyman, to out of the league in 5 years. He doesn?t see anything wrong with his game, and therefore won?t change.

saclare · 09-01-2022, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

The worst part is he doesn't know how bad he is. He honestly thinks he's the best guy on the floor.

So does Jeanie Buss apparently lol

JustJay · 09-01-2022, 03:40 PM

Nevermind

Budapest Maverick · 09-01-2022, 04:11 PM

Can we somehow get in on the Conley/Bogda action?

EricaLubarsky · 09-01-2022, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Can we somehow get in on the Conley/Bogda action?

If the Jazz can ask for 5 FRPs and some talent for Gobert
and
a couple of starters and three FRPs for Mitchell

I can only imagine that they'll try to get two FRPs for Conley/Bogda

EricaLubarsky · 09-01-2022, 04:52 PM

For the record I only want

1) Vanderbilt - incredibly talented and hard working big whose best game is ahead of him
2) Clarkson - score-first guard who is a jackass but a hell of a scorer. Could be our bench sparkplug

That's it.

Conley - defensive PG who has lost his defensive abilities. Not that great creating.
Bogs - just terrible defensively. It's never had to have another shooter, but I dont want to pay whatever the Jazz are asking

Melonhead · 09-01-2022, 05:29 PM

Agreed with what Erica said

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-01-2022, 10:16 PM

Also agree, and I'm quite glad karma bit Brunson and the Knicks in the ass.

I really only care about an insurance ball handling guard at this point. DSJ or Schroder fit perfectly in that regard.

Melonhead · 09-02-2022, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Also agree, and I'm quite glad karma bit Brunson and the Knicks in the ass.

I really only care about an insurance ball handling guard at this point. DSJ or Schroder fit perfectly in that regard.

Even if they were horrible on defense, I would?ve been a little bit salty if Jalen got to play with Donovan.

Now he gets what he wants fully. To be the man. I?ll be watching lots of Knicks games

BPo001 · 09-03-2022, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Even if they were horrible on defense, I would?ve been a little bit salty if Jalen got to play with Donovan.

Now he gets what he wants fully. To be the man. I?ll be watching lots of Knicks games

I?m actually excited to watch Brunson. I think he will do well, but it will be hard to live up to the expectations. I imagine he can be a 19/7 guy who can bring some stabilization to their offense.

BPo001 · 09-03-2022, 12:11 PM

Response to the NYK showing up to ?watch? Brunson in the playoffs.

Zach Lowe: That did not go over well with Utah officials. That was poorly received. I?m not saying it colored the trade negotiations here because I don?t think anybody makes those type of emotional decisions 3 months later, but it did not engender good will as this unfolded. ? via Spotify

EricaLubarsky · 09-03-2022, 12:42 PM

God I hope Brunson misses the playoffs and ends up mis?rable.

May Brunson get everything he wants and may it be deeply unsatisfying

mac222b · 09-08-2022, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

God I hope Brunson misses the playoffs and ends up mis?rable.

May Brunson get everything he wants and may it be deeply unsatisfying

Why Brunson? Isn?t is Cuban you should be angry with? Don?t get me wrong, I don?t think it was handled with much class by Brunson?s camp but we didn?t extend JB when we had the chance and then low balled him at 21m. Cuban essentially never even made an offer. Maybe JB would?ve stayed if we didn?t offer him 6 million less per season, granted we offered an extra year which may or may not have even been desirable if JB wants to get back to FA sooner. Cuban either can?t or doesn?t want to pay what it takes to keep talent. We lost our second best or 2b behind Dodo, for nothing. It just doesn?t happen that often with well run organizations.

EricaLubarsky · 09-08-2022, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Why Brunson? Isn?t is Cuban you should be angry with? Don?t get me wrong, I don?t think it was handled with much class by Brunson?s camp but we didn?t extend JB when we had the chance and then low balled him at 21m. Cuban essentially never even made an offer. Maybe JB would?ve stayed if we didn?t offer him 6 million less per season, granted we offered an extra year which may or may not have even been desirable if JB wants to get back to FA sooner. Cuban either can?t or doesn?t want to pay what it takes to keep talent. We lost our second best or 2b behind Dodo, for nothing. It just doesn?t happen that often with well run organizations.

Repeat after me: We. didn't. cheap. out.

He never even met with us. Maybe he would have signed an extension-- but it's probable that he refused and knew he wanted to be with the Knicks.

Jalen WANTED to be with the Knicks even after they missed the playoffs and the Mavs sniffed the finals.

mac222b · 09-08-2022, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Repeat after me: We. didn't. cheap. out.

He never even met with us. Maybe he would have signed an extension-- but it's probable that he refused and knew he wanted to be with the Knicks.

Jalen WANTED to be with the Knicks even after they missed the playoffs and the Mavs sniffed the finals.

I took that as Cuban trying to save face. And that he didn?t meet with us because our offer (which someone ?leaked?) was 21.5m per year, if I?m remembering right. Of course it may have been a done deal and no amount of money whipping could?ve kept JB from NY. But finding out we are offering that much less, after shopping him at the deadline and not extending him the summer before? It?s possible he was insulted all the way around. Personally I don?t entirely blame him. If we offered nearly equal or more money and he turned it down? different story. As I see it, Cuban didn?t want to pay that much tax and offered him a deal he couldn?t not refuse.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-09-2022, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I took that as Cuban trying to save face. And that he didn?t meet with us because our offer (which someone ?leaked?) was 21.5m per year, if I?m remembering right. Of course it may have been a done deal and no amount of money whipping could?ve kept JB from NY. But finding out we are offering that much less, after shopping him at the deadline and not extending him the summer before? It?s possible he was insulted all the way around. Personally I don?t entirely blame him. If we offered nearly equal or more money and he turned it down? different story. As I see it, Cuban didn?t want to pay that much tax and offered him a deal he couldn?t not refuse.

Was that number accurate though? Could have been spoon fed from Brunson's camp. And even then, the overall offer would have been more because of the five years.

But it didn't matter. He wasn't going to stay regardless of the money. He didn't even give us or Miami a meeting. His dad was hired by them and they cleared the space in a nutty way. The deal was already done before we could even throw out a number. And let's say we offered him the max we could offer. Would you really want to do that when the guy doesn't want to play for you? And even then, he probably turns it down because he wants to be in NY. Might make Cuban look even worse and desperate.

You aren't going to see me defend Cuban as he screws up plenty, but the FO wanted him and Brunson wanted to go to NY. That's all that really matters at the end of the day.

EricaLubarsky · 09-04-2022, 08:30 PM

Rumors are that Lakers are being asked for a FRP to take Westbrook.

Bertans, Powell, THJ for Westbrook and a FRP looks better than just Powell+Bertans+THJ for Westbrick.

Then again, it's either the worse of the two between Lakers and Pelicans next summer OR we have to wait until potentially 2026. The Lakers also seem unwilling to pay the FRP too.

EricaLubarsky · 09-05-2022, 09:23 AM

Mavs FO shows up to watch Germany play despite no Maxi. Seems like we might be on the Dennis Schroder trail.

https://sports.yahoo.com/celtics-alu...012348266.html

And they got a show. 25pts, 8ast, 5reb (albeit on low efficiency)

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-05-2022, 01:14 PM

Stein says we are after a ball handling vet. Schroder, DSJ, and Bledsoe mentioned.

rimrocker · 09-05-2022, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Stein says we are after a ball handling vet. Schroder, DSJ, and Bledsoe mentioned.

Schroeder or Bledsoe make sense, but I don?t see the interest in DSJ.
Can?t see DSJ being much of an upgrade from Frank, Hardy or Dorsey (if any at all). I?d rather just go with one of those 3 if DSJ is our only option.

I still think Schroeder is our best bet.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-05-2022, 03:45 PM

I just feel like Schroder cements us as a contender. And it's just for the fact that he can rest Luka and Dinwiddie. It's a total no-brainer signing and perfect fit.

I'm guessing the Lakers are also interested and teams are waiting to see what happens with Utah's leftovers.

rimrocker · 09-05-2022, 08:50 PM

The hesitation in signing Schroder leads me to believe they are aggressively trying to find a ball handler via trade and they want to keep an open roster spot in case they have to take back an extra player. Being in luxury tax land means they would have to cut a player under contract and eat a lot of money.

Cant imagine who they are trying to target, but they must feel they can do better than any of those 3 in a trade.

Melonhead · 09-05-2022, 10:10 PM

I want the best ball handler that can lower Luka's usage rate.

As much as I'd like to see DSJ reunite with Luka, that wont translate on the court as DSJ running an offense by himself.

Dennis or Bledsoe please.

purplefrog · 09-06-2022, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

The hesitation in signing Schroder leads me to believe they are aggressively trying to find a ball handler via trade and they want to keep an open roster spot in case they have to take back an extra player. Being in luxury tax land means they would have to cut a player under contract and eat a lot of money.

Cant imagine who they are trying to target, but they must feel they can do better than any of those 3 in a trade.

I am wondering if there are teams out there who can offer more than the Mavs. For example, the MLE, or some part of the MLE. Mavs can only offer the vet minimum. These hypothetical teams are still engaged in trade negotiations and Schroder/Bledsoe are willing to wait until the full picture emerges. Bottom line is that it might not be the MBT sitting on their hands.

EricaLubarsky · 09-06-2022, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

I am wondering if there are teams out there who can offer more than the Mavs. For example, the MLE, or some part of the MLE. Mavs can only offer the vet minimum. These hypothetical teams are still engaged in trade negotiations and Schroder/Bledsoe are willing to wait until the full picture emerges. Bottom line is that it might not be the MBT sitting on their hands.

Yeah Mavs are absolutely not in the driver's seat. Do we even have the BAE? As far as I know, we're offering the minimum or a sign-and-trade and SnTs require us to give up assets.

Melonhead · 09-08-2022, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

I am wondering if there are teams out there who can offer more than the Mavs. For example, the MLE, or some part of the MLE. Mavs can only offer the vet minimum. These hypothetical teams are still engaged in trade negotiations and Schroder/Bledsoe are willing to wait until the full picture emerges. Bottom line is that it might not be the MBT sitting on their hands.

If thats what the Mavs are having to do, then I guess its welcome back DSJ.

The other two will prob get a little more than vet min

saclare · 09-07-2022, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I just feel like Schroder cements us as a contender. And it's just for the fact that he can rest Luka and Dinwiddie. It's a total no-brainer signing and perfect fit.

I'm guessing the Lakers are also interested and teams are waiting to see what happens with Utah's leftovers.

Do the Lakers have a need with Beverley now there?

JustJay · 09-05-2022, 10:44 PM

Why do I have a bad feeling we're waiting for a signing or trade that won't happen and the roster is set?

Surely Kidd being a former point guard should be screaming at the MBT to get another one here though.

BPo001 · 09-06-2022, 03:24 PM

Noah Levick: Sixers are signing Montrezl Harrell to a two-year contract with a player option in Year 2 ? confirming @Adrian Wojnarowski. It?s a vet-minimum deal, per source. ? via Twitter NoahLevick

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-08-2022, 09:25 AM

Kleber 3/33 extension. Not crazy about it, but I know he has value around the league so it's a good trade asset. He needs to up that 3 point shooting as it tanked last season.

BPo001 · 09-08-2022, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Kleber 3/33 extension. Not crazy about it, but I know he has value around the league so it's a good trade asset. He needs to up that 3 point shooting as it tanked last season.

$11 million per seems reasonable for his skill set. Agreed he need to get that 3 point % back up though.

Melonhead · 09-08-2022, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Kleber 3/33 extension. Not crazy about it, but I know he has value around the league so it's a good trade asset. He needs to up that 3 point shooting as it tanked last season.

I 100% assumed the Mavs were done with Kleber. He had those insane two playoff games, but he sharply declined during the season.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-08-2022, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

I 100% assumed the Mavs were done with Kleber. He had those insane two playoff games, but he sharply declined during the season.

The smarter move would have been extending C. Wood. If he has a big season, then it could be Brunson all over again. Not sure of his eligibility though.

mac222b · 09-08-2022, 02:59 PM

Happy to have Maxi extended on a fair deal.

EricaLubarsky · 09-08-2022, 06:02 PM

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Happy to have Maxi extended on a fair deal.

Yeah 11 ain?t bad. It sounds like a lot but it?s the MLE. A few years ago thr MLE was 5.8 and 7 and no one would complain about that. It?s the same cap %

Sure he?s been mediocre from time to time but he?s also dominated defensively and his shooting single handedly turned the Utah series. He made Gobert his bitch by extending the spacing out to the three and dragging Gobert out to where he was uncomfortable which allowed us to win both the defense and rebounding battle.

People talk about Brunson, but without Kleber we lose in the first round and the MLE is never a bad pay for a guy who can change the outcome of a series