http://taxcut.barackobama.com/

[minkbarn]

Click to compare your tax savings under the plans of the two candidates:

http://taxcut.barackobama.com/


And here's an entertaining video of Al the Shoesalesman on the subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99HzP6BQm5Y

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by minkbarn

Click to compare your tax savings under the plans of the two candidiates:

http://taxcut.barackobama.com/


And here's an entertaining video of Al the Shoesalesman on the subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99HzP6BQm5Y

It's not a tax cut if you don't pay taxes.

And I'm really surprised that none of the Dems in the forum are outraged that Obama plans to dip into Social Security funds to pay for this tax "cut".

[minkbarn]

But it is a tax cut if you do pay taxes, like everyone in the middle class.

I save $1000 with Obama. How about you?

[Flacolaco]

I don't see where you factor in the rise in goods and services as a result of raising the corporate tax rate, windfall profits tax, inflation, etc...

And where is the box where I factor in how much I will lose because of my investments and a rise in the capital gains tax?

And what about people who will lose their jobs due to a deepening recession caused in part by raising taxes in a volatile economic climate? Where do they enter that information?

And what does "working family" mean? Which families aren't working? And how do we define middle class?

This page is confusing.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by minkbarn

But it is a tax cut if you do pay taxes, like everyone in the middle class.

I save $1000 with Obama. How about you?

I'm doing just fine with the tax rates where they are.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I don't see where you factor in the rise in goods and services as a result of raising the corporate tax rate, windfall profits tax, inflation, etc...

And where is the box where I factor in how much I will lose because of my investments and a rise in the capital gains tax?

And what about people who will lose their jobs due to a deepening recession caused in part by raising taxes in a volatile economic climate? Where do they enter that information?

And what does "working family" mean? Which families aren't working? And how do we define middle class?

This page is confusing.

Stop it! You're raising what Al Gore would call "inconvenient truths".

[Usually Lurkin]

I, like most people who make less money than you, will be very happy to take more money from you, rather than less. I, however, am very practical, and figure I can be more efficient than the government. Please turn off your alarm, I will be over sometime between midnight and 2 am.

[u2sarajevo]

Wow!!! If I turn on my beliefs and vote for Obama I get 1620 dollars!!!!!

Kind of like selling your soul.

[Flacolaco]

"To each according to his need, from each according to his ability." That's what my buddy Karl Marx always says. Short sightedness, laziness, and selfishness never sounded so good.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by u2sarajevo

Wow!!! If I turn on my beliefs and vote for Obama I get 1620 dollars!!!!!

Kind of like selling your soul.

For 30 silver coins, or somesuch...

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by u2sarajevo

Wow!!! If I turn on my beliefs and vote for Obama I get 1620 dollars!!!!!

Kind of like selling your soul.

1620! you rich bastard! I only get 1000. I think you should get 1210 and I should get 1410. That's the only fair way to do it.

[minkbarn]

Whoa everyone. McCain is supposed to be the tax cutter, but every one of us here is saving more on taxes with Obama.

Vote for the candidate of your choice. But Obama is the one keeping more money in your and my pocket.

With Senator McCain YOUR taxes will be higher. Think about it.

[mcsluggo]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

I'm doing just fine with the tax rates where they are.

were you doing just fine in 1999 with the taxes where they were then?

[DirkFTW]

"You will probably not get a tax cut under the Obama-Biden plan."

Hey, the numbers disappeared...

And why is everything for Obama in multiples of $500? Am I not trying out the right combination?

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by minkbarn

Whoa everyone. McCain is supposed to be the tax cutter, but every one of us here is saving more on taxes with Obama.

Vote for the candidate of your choice. But Obama is the one keeping more money in your and my pocket.

But it's at the expense of grabbing more taxes from someone else (!), and most people see that as a slope. If he's willing to tax the richer people more now, then he's likely to tax the less richer people more tomorrow.

[u2sarajevo]

Originally Posted by minkbarn

Whoa everyone. McCain is supposed to be the tax cutter, but every one of us here is saving more on taxes with Obama.

Vote for the candidate of your choice. But Obama is the one keeping more money in your and my pocket.

With Senator McCain YOUR taxes will be higher. Think about it.

Not according to The ONE's calculator. His calculator says I save 180 dollars with McCain. I would also feel more comfortable that the company I work for won't have to cut my job to pay for the taxes being levied on them by Obama's plan.

[Flacolaco]

And the taxes he will pass along up the line to people he arbitrarily decides can afford it will eventually pass it back to you via higher prices for goods and services, less jobs, and they'll spend less in the market place, resulting in a further slowing of the economy and less jobs, etc.

There's no such thing as a free lunch. You're not just going to get something for nothing, nor should you. They're trying to buy you off...sounds like it worked.

[minkbarn]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

But it's at the expense of grabbing more taxes from someone else (!), and most people see that as a slope. If he's willing to tax the richer people more now, then he's likely to tax the less richer people more tomorrow.

There's nothing to indicate that. Senator Obama is cutting taxes for everyone here, and Senator McCain is not. There's no slope. It is what it is.

[Flacolaco]

Originally Posted by u2sarajevo

Not according to The ONE's calculator. His calculator says I save 180 dollars with McCain. I would also feel more comfortable that the company I work for won't have to cut my job to pay for the taxes being levied on them by Obama's plan.

Me too. I work for a retail company that sells things that are pretty frivalous. In the Obama/Carter-esque economy, I will likely lose my job.

[minkbarn]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

And the taxes he will pass along up the line to people he arbitrarily decides can afford it will eventually pass it back to you via higher prices for goods and services, less jobs, and they'll spend less in the market place, resulting in a further slowing of the economy and less jobs, etc.

There's no such thing as a free lunch. You're not just going to get something for nothing, nor should you. They're trying to buy you off...sounds like it worked.

There's nothing to indicate that either. It is what it is. Obama will cut our taxes more than McCain. That's all there is to it.

[Flacolaco]

Originally Posted by minkbarn

There's nothing to indicate that. Senator Obama is cutting taxes for everyone here, and Senator McCain is not. There's no slope. It is what it is.

You're not reading our posts carefully. It's not black and white.

[minkbarn]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

You're not reading our posts carefully. It's not black and white.

I am reading everyone's posts carefully. And it is as clear cut as it can be.

[Flacolaco]

So where's all that money going to come from?

[u2sarajevo]

Apparently, it's clear as mud.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by mcsluggo

were you doing just fine in 1999 with the taxes where they were then?

Not nearly as well as I have done with the taxes where they are now.

The problem has not been with tax rates, but with spending.

[Murphy3]

Personally, I don't see how cutting taxes for anyone is going to benefit our country right now.

[Usually Lurkin]

here you go minkbarn,

Obama's people say spend more now (deficit fear should take a second seat) and increase taxes later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Mazjm_A5k