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DevinHarriswillstart · 02-20-2011, 06:19 PM

And who is the other available star outside of melo? At this point I really don't see roddy traded for anyone besides an extended melo.

Usually Lurkin · 02-20-2011, 08:18 PM

I'm in. A New Orleans major trade is exactly what we need to be contenders. Outside of gaining another superstar like Paul, we're just hoping that sweet fortune is kinder to us than to the better teams.

CadBane · 02-21-2011, 01:13 AM

I don't consider Joe Schmo off the street to be anyone. Joe Schmo off the street thinks Yao Ming is an all-star. Are we really weighing the opinions of Joe Schmo in a serious basketball conversation?

Male30Dan · 02-21-2011, 01:15 AM

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I don't consider Joe Schmo off the street to be anyone. Joe Schmo off the street thinks Yao Ming is an all-star. Are we really weighing the opinions of Joe Schmo in a serious basketball conversation?

Nice attempt not to look like an idiot. Your idiot is still showing however. Tuck that bitch in please. It is embarrassing.

joemoeschmoe · 02-21-2011, 04:26 PM

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I don't consider Joe Schmo off the street to be anyone. Joe Schmo off the street thinks Yao Ming is an all-star. Are we really weighing the opinions of Joe Schmo in a serious basketball conversation?

Ahem...You're god-$%#^ right you will take my basketball opinions seriously!

Usually Lurkin · 02-21-2011, 09:07 AM

Don't draft Jordan, cause you've already got Clyde Drexler

Maringa · 02-21-2011, 02:13 PM

Does anyone think the Lakers are a little too quiet? Something is gotta give there, and you can bet they are getting much more in return than they are giving away...

BGMaverick9 · 02-21-2011, 02:29 PM

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Does anyone think the Lakers are a little too quiet? Something is gotta give there, and you can bet they are getting much more in return than they are giving away...

Outside of the Gasol deal...when do they make trades in-season?

Dtownsfinest · 02-21-2011, 02:41 PM

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Outside of the Gasol deal...when do they make trades in-season?

They don't but you RARELY hear about them in trade rumors and usually when that happens there's atleast something to the rumors. I think every team is probably throwing trade scenarios out there but I don't think its for a top tier talent. Probably a role player. Excluding Melo of course. I don't think Deron or Paul are being the subject of many trade talks. If they are they are ended very quickly.

I hear alot about this Melo to Laker talk and I just don't think the Lakers give up Bynum to get it done. If they get Melo they fleeced the Nuggets.

mavs777 · 02-21-2011, 03:26 PM

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Does anyone think the Lakers are a little too quiet? Something is gotta give there, and you can bet they are getting much more in return than they are giving away...

Well they only have 2 trade chips, Shannon Brown and Andrew Bynum

fluid.forty.one · 02-21-2011, 04:35 PM

random observation: I didn't realize we don't play till Wed. Kidd got a faaaaat break. It makes sense now why Rick was cool with him playing so many minutes against the Suns.

fluid.forty.one · 02-21-2011, 04:55 PM

kind of off topic but I think Steve Kerr is one of the smarter analysts out there.

As for the MVP voting: I'm not sure that MVP voting is definitive evidence. No one think Nash is better than Kobe or even on his "level", for instance.

I'd say,% wise, coaches probably have Dirk higher the most often. They are the ones that have to scheme against both of them and I know for damn sure that Pop would rather be facing Melo 8 days out of the week. Then GMs.. then players.. then analysts. It's a tossup between players and analysts though, because although they have first hand experience seeing how hard Dirk is to guard (see: comments from Durant and Shaq) there are a lot of dumb, thug players who probably hate Dirk and respect Carmelo. Analysts could also have Melo higher sometimes because we've seen many, many cases where national analysts are completely clueless about the mavs (see: people making comments about Dallas' lack of D as recently as this year) and analysts buy into hype.

CadBane · 02-21-2011, 05:19 PM

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kind of off topic but I think Steve Kerr is one of the smarter analysts out there.

As for the MVP voting: I'm not sure that MVP voting is definitive evidence. No one think Nash is better than Kobe or even on his "level", for instance.

I'd say,% wise, coaches probably have Dirk higher the most often. They are the ones that have to scheme against both of them and I know for damn sure that Pop would rather be facing Melo 8 days out of the week. Then GMs.. then players.. then analysts. It's a tossup between players and analysts though, because although they have first hand experience seeing how hard Dirk is to guard (see: comments from Durant and Shaq) there are a lot of dumb, thug players who probably hate Dirk and respect Carmelo. Analysts could also have Melo higher sometimes because we've seen many, many cases where national analysts are completely clueless about the mavs (see: people making comments about Dallas' lack of D as recently as this year) and analysts buy into hype.

All-NBA teams having nothing to do with MVP though...

Also, Kerr is definitely an idiot. The guy is absolutely clueless. He's only a notch above Mark Jackson. One night he was seriously debating who is the best European player (Dirk or Pau), and no, he wasn't even talking about now.

Dtownsfinest · 02-21-2011, 05:58 PM

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All-NBA teams having nothing to do with MVP though...

Also, Kerr is definitely an idiot. The guy is absolutely clueless. He's only a notch above Mark Jackson. One night he was seriously debating who is the best European player (Dirk or Pau), and no, he wasn't even talking about now.

What's wrong with Mark Jackson? Why is it that you have nothing nice to say about ANYONE other than Dirk? That seems a bit unhealthy. Its almost like those little girls who said they would kill Esperanza Spalding because she won "Best New Artist" over Justin Beiber.

CadBane · 02-21-2011, 09:04 PM

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What's wrong with Mark Jackson? Why is it that you have nothing nice to say about ANYONE other than Dirk? That seems a bit unhealthy. Its almost like those little girls who said they would kill Esperanza Spalding because she won "Best New Artist" over Justin Beiber.

Wtf are you talking about?

What's wrong with Mark Jackson? Is that a joke? Really? Really? Well, if you think Mark Jackson is a good commentator, that says a lot about you. Do you also fancy Reggie Miller?

Van Gundy is the best in the game. Spot on and candid. Hubie is dry and redundant, but pretty solid. McHale and Webber are pretty good when they're together (Webber deviates when he gets stuck with Kenny and Barkley). Brent Barry is very good too.

Mark Jackson, Reggie Miller, Steve Kerr, and Jon Berry are terrible.

And for the record, I'd love Melo on the Mavs. I'm simply refuting the notion that he's on the same level, or even perceived on the same level as Dirk, because he's not.

ReDirkulous Tyme · 02-22-2011, 09:45 AM

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Wtf are you talking about?

What's wrong with Mark Jackson? Is that a joke? Really? Really? Well, if you think Mark Jackson is a good commentator, that says a lot about you. Do you also fancy Reggie Miller?

Van Gundy is the best in the game. Spot on and candid. Hubie is dry and redundant, but pretty solid. McHale and Webber are pretty good when they're together (Webber deviates when he gets stuck with Kenny and Barkley). Brent Barry is very good too.

Mark Jackson, Reggie Miller, Steve Kerr, and Jon Berry are terrible.

And for the record, I'd love Melo on the Mavs. I'm simply refuting the notion that he's on the same level, or even perceived on the same level as Dirk,
because he's not.

Most of the time I agree with ya 100% cad, but I gotta say that I've always thought jon Barry was pretty spot on regarding the status of the mavs. I'm a fan of the barrys, wilbon, McHale, and Barkley (yes, he's a nut, but he really does know his shit.

With regards to the melo discussion, I think you could easily make an argument for or against melo in regards to him vs. Dirk, but I really think he does score the ball "easier" than maybe anyone in the league. I would say he is just an all-out better scorer than dirk, but he can't, and will never score with the same efficiency that dirk can, and does on a daily basis.

Don't get me wrong, I'm constantly incensed with rage at the fact that dirk gets absolutely NO street cred around the NBA for how good he truly is

SMC0007 · 02-22-2011, 12:40 PM

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Wtf are you talking about?

What's wrong with Mark Jackson? Is that a joke? Really? Really? Well, if you think Mark Jackson is a good commentator, that says a lot about you. Do you also fancy Reggie Miller?

Van Gundy is the best in the game. Spot on and candid. Hubie is dry and redundant, but pretty solid. McHale and Webber are pretty good when they're together (Webber deviates when he gets stuck with Kenny and Barkley). Brent Barry is very good too.

Mark Jackson, Reggie Miller, Steve Kerr, and Jon Berry are terrible.

And for the record, I'd love Melo on the Mavs. I'm simply refuting the notion that he's on the same level, or even perceived on the same level as Dirk, because he's not.

Man, I'm just curious if there is any one you get along with, or are friends with on here? Almost every time someone disagrees with you you immediately blast them full on.

Anyway, I love Van Gundy and think he is top notch...but imo Hubie is bad and annoying. I don't see how you like Hubie but not Mark Jackson. Now if I were you I would say that like this: "You are a stupid asshole if you like Mark Jackson and it shows how dumb you are, but mostly you are a stupid loser because you don't agree with my opinion idiot, which is actually a fact because it just always is and you are even more of an idiot if you don't realize it but hey, since your so stupid no one can blame you for not understanding that except me, I blame you for being stupid. Oh you like Mark Jackson, do you also fancy touching childrens privates?"

That is half-joke and half- serious, it's not really my business, but I'd just like to see you fit in a lil better and not be such a villain.

DirkFTW · 02-23-2011, 02:53 PM

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Hubie is dry and redundant, but pretty solid.

That's what she said.

Yikes, SMC's right that you should have clarified you were talking about his basketball knowledge cause that could really be ambiguous!

LonghornDub · 02-23-2011, 04:54 PM

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You might want to attempt a more apropos analogy next time.

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Wtf are you talking about?

What's wrong with yellow? Is that a joke? Really? Really? Well, if you think yellow is a good color, that says a lot about you. Do you also fancy beige?

Green is the best on the color wheel. Bold and powerful. Blue is dry and redundant, but pretty solid. Orange and white are pretty good when they're together. Purple is very good too.

Yellow, red, brown, and magenta are terrible.

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fluid.forty.one · 02-23-2011, 05:27 PM

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Van Gundy is the best in the game.

http://www.google.com/search?q=mark+...a2885925ea8ae0

See how that works? It doesn't make your opinion wrong or stupid. At all.

Best part is that most of the positive comments that come up in that search, also speak positively about Mark Jackson.

CadBane · 02-21-2011, 05:22 PM

Also, FAN opinion. Albeit more savory ones.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...gs.cgi#ratings

Mav Addict · 02-22-2011, 01:24 PM

LOL

LonghornDub · 02-22-2011, 01:51 PM

Green is better than all other colors, especially yellow and red. Yellow and red suck. If you think otherwise, I don't know what colors you're looking at, and you're probably an idiot.

DirkFTW · 02-22-2011, 02:02 PM

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Green is better than all other colors, especially yellow and red. Yellow and red suck. If you think otherwise, I don't know what colors you're looking at, and you're probably an idiot.

v.

ribosoma · 02-23-2011, 01:20 AM

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Green is better than all other colors, especially yellow and red. Yellow and red suck. If you think otherwise, I don't know what colors you're looking at, and you're probably an idiot.

Man, you guys are really myopic. Green is like Tyson Chandler and Jamaal Charles combined- horribly overrated and pure garbage. On my fantasy color league team, I picked up Fuscia off of the waiver-wire. I also snagged Burnt Sienna this week and he helped me win the Crayola Championship. It's a super-secret competition though, so please don't ask for links to my team.

CadBane · 02-23-2011, 05:29 AM

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Man, you guys are really myopic. Green is like Tyson Chandler and Jamaal Charles combined- horribly overrated and pure garbage. On my fantasy color league team, I picked up Fuscia off of the waiver-wire. I also snagged Burnt Sienna this week and he helped me win the Crayola Championship. It's a super-secret competition though, so please don't ask for links to my team.

Since the Mods have chosen to ignore the acts of others in this thread...

You're such an idiot.

That is all.

jthig32 · 02-23-2011, 09:00 AM

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Since the Mods have chosen to ignore the acts of others in this thread...

You're such an idiot.

That is all.

I feel like the Mods, and myself in particular, have been more than fair to you since you were allowed back.

You brought this on yourself. If you want to keep up the martyr complex and pretend that everyone butts heads with you for some reason other than your incredibly grating personality, then go ahead.

CadBane · 02-23-2011, 05:19 PM

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I feel like the Mods, and myself in particular, have been more than fair to you since you were allowed back.

You brought this on yourself. If you want to keep up the martyr complex and pretend that everyone butts heads with you for some reason other than your incredibly grating personality, then go ahead.

Lmao, what a crock of shit, Thig.

I was allegedly banned for personal insults, which were used in retaliation, yet other users have carte blanche to to fling them at me unprovoked.

Check the very first post on Page 4, but hey, I guess it's okay as long as I don't say it.

CadBane · 02-23-2011, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Green is better than all other colors, especially yellow and red. Yellow and red suck. If you think otherwise, I don't know what colors you're looking at, and you're probably an idiot.

You might want to attempt a more apropos analogy next time.

If you were to suggest that Matt Carroll is a good NBA player, that would be your opinion. It would also say a lot about you. See how that works? Some opinions are less valued than others, friendo.

Male30Dan · 02-23-2011, 08:08 AM

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You might want to attempt a more apropos analogy next time.

If you were to suggest that Matt Carroll is a good NBA player, that would be your opinion. It would also say a lot about you. See how that works? Some opinions are less valued than others, friendo.

Apparently it is true. You are what you eat/drink:

Mav Addict · 02-22-2011, 01:57 PM

If green is better then that says alot about you.

Underdog · 02-22-2011, 01:58 PM

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If green is better then that says alot about you.

He's horny?

Besides, mauve is the color of the future!

rabbitproof · 02-23-2011, 05:21 AM

Wahahaha.

CadBane · 02-23-2011, 05:31 AM

And how many of you actually think Mark Jackson is a good commentator? Just curious. There are entire threads on RealGM dedicated to his incompetence. Lets not pretend as though liking Mark Jackson isn't a stigmatized occurrence.

wilmtalk · 02-23-2011, 05:47 AM

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And how many of you actually think Mark Jackson is a good commentator? Just curious. There are entire threads on RealGM dedicated to his incompetence. Lets not pretend as though liking Mark Jackson isn't a stigmatized occurrence.

Listening to Mark Jackson makes me want to drink Hemlock.

Axilla · 02-23-2011, 09:06 AM

borrrring

make a new thread for all this non-trade bickering whydontcha

fluid.forty.one · 02-23-2011, 05:29 PM

Some other "obviously correct opinions because they came up in a google search"

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...a2885925ea8ae0

Best EVERRRRRR!!!!!

CadBane · 02-23-2011, 05:40 PM

What I'm saying is arguing colors as analogous to commentators is NOT accurate. Period.

Yes, announcers might be more subjective than NBA players, but it's a hell of lot less so than colors.

You want me to start a poll on this site as proof?

LonghornDub · 02-23-2011, 05:57 PM

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Yes, announcers might be more subjective than NBA players, but it's a hell of lot less so than colors.

No, it's really not. Both evaluations involve several layers of subjectivity, starting with which qualities are most important and ending with a personal weighing of those qualities. But I don't expect you to see that. I fully expect you to continue thinking that the problem is with the analogy and not your horrifically skewed perception of what's a "fact" and what isn't.

And for what it's worth, there's a strong irony in you, "CadBan," extolling the value of the "widely held" opinion.

Underdog · 02-23-2011, 05:59 PM

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What I'm saying is arguing colors as analogous to commentators is NOT accurate. Period.

Yes, announcers might be more subjective than NBA players, but it's a hell of lot less so than colors.

You want me to start a poll on this site as proof?

Isn't a poll 100% subjective, or has the definition of "subjective" changed recently?

Also, claiming that a preference in announcers is more subjective than a preference in colors is completely inaccurate too, since subjectivity is non-incremental by definition (only objectivity can be measured incrementally, by definition...)