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Next ideal move would be based around THJ, DP to try and get a 2 way sizeable SG/SF who has handles to mix up the attack on offense. Wishful thinking but we still have too many guys who can't dribble.
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06-16-2022, 08:15 AM
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Marc Stein: Theo Pinson will now be strongly expected to stay in Dallas after the Mavericks complete the Christian Wood trade and open up some unforeseen roster room, league sources say. ? via Twitter TheSteinLine
Tim MacMahon: Mavs have three priorities entering free agency: 1) Re-sign Jalen Brunson, 2) add a wing who can be part of the playoff rotation, 3) re-sign Theo Pinson, who is no longer eligible for a two-way deal. ? via Twitter espn_macmahon
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06-16-2022, 08:35 AM
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Marc Stein: Theo Pinson will now be strongly expected to stay in Dallas after the Mavericks complete the Christian Wood trade and open up some unforeseen roster room, league sources say. ? via Twitter TheSteinLine
Tim MacMahon: Mavs have three priorities entering free agency: 1) Re-sign Jalen Brunson, 2) add a wing who can be part of the playoff rotation, 3) re-sign Theo Pinson, who is no longer eligible for a two-way deal. ? via Twitter espn_macmahon
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1&2 are no brainers. Getting #2 done is the hars part. THJ isn't that guy. Neither is Dodo or Bullock. They're solid niche players but none can dribble.
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06-16-2022, 08:59 AM
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Updated wish list:
1) Move Powell (maybe to Nets with their trade exception)
2) Sign low-cost wing towards end of free agency (maybe with a 1 year "prove it" deal): Gary Harris; Joe Ingles; Jeremy Lamb; Taurean Prince; Derrick Jones Jr.; Kent Bazemore; Otto Porter Jr.; Lance Stephenson, Danuel House etc.
3) Try to buy a 2nd round pick to take whatever big drops; we have Wood, but we still need an enforcer
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Wood is a fantastic move. For some reason, his face looks like Scottie Pippen to me. Next move should be to lock up Brunson. Can some explain what they can do next salarywise? Aside from TPE, how much can they afford? Could they go for a Lavine?
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06-16-2022, 09:53 AM
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Any wing players that we can absorb with the TPE?
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06-16-2022, 10:13 AM
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I still say we should try to sign Hartenstein even though we have Wood.
Hartenstein gives us a true big as Maxi and Wood (supposedly) struggle with true bigs.
A rotation of Wood/Maxi/Hartenstein would solidify our frontcourt imo.
Then make some deal surrounding Green/Powell/THJ/Future Pick (if needed) to add another wing to the rotation.
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I like the Hartenstein idea. He doesn?t seem to be too expensive too. How about a front court veteran like Ibaka?
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06-16-2022, 11:23 AM
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I still say we should try to sign Hartenstein even though we have Wood.
Hartenstein gives us a true big as Maxi and Wood (supposedly) struggle with true bigs.
A rotation of Wood/Maxi/Hartenstein would solidify our frontcourt imo.
Then make some deal surrounding Green/Powell/THJ/Future Pick (if needed) to add another wing to the rotation.
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I agree about adding another big, but Hartenstein makes a lot less sense now. We just need a big guy that can handle the other bigs in the league for limited minutes.
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06-16-2022, 12:21 PM
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I like the Hartenstein idea. He doesn?t seem to be too expensive too. How about a front court veteran like Ibaka?
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Yeah, guys like Ibaka, Mcgee, Biyombo and similar style players do make some since to take on the WCS role as you and DHWS suggest, but I just think Hartenstein could be the steal of FA as he provides a presence in the paint and has the skills to be a high minutes guy.
Hart reminds me of a bigger and better version of LaFrentz.
We do need a starting caliber wing though, and my dream scenario would be to re-sign Brunson, sign Hartenstein, sign Dragic for min, and trade THJ/Green/Future Pick for Grant.
Luka/Dinwiddie
Brunson/Dragic/Frank
DFS/Bullock/Pinson
Grant/Maxi/Betans
Wood/Hartenstein/Powell
3 headed monster guards - Luka/Brunson/Dinwiddie
3 headed monster wings - Grant/DFS/Bullock
3 headed monster PF/C - Wood/Hart/Maxi
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06-16-2022, 12:58 PM
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Yeah, guys like Ibaka, Mcgee, Biyombo and similar style players do make some since to take on the WCS role as you and DHWS suggest, but I just think Hartenstein could be the steal of FA as he provides a presence in the paint and has the skills to be a high minutes guy.
Hart reminds me of a bigger and better version of LaFrentz.
We do need a starting caliber wing though, and my dream scenario would be to re-sign Brunson, sign Hartenstein, sign Dragic for min, and trade THJ/Green/Future Pick for Grant.
Luka/Dinwiddie
Brunson/Dragic/Frank
DFS/Bullock/Pinson
Grant/Maxi/Betans
Wood/Hartenstein/Powell
3 headed monster guards - Luka/Brunson/Dinwiddie
3 headed monster wings - Grant/DFS/Bullock
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Yes, please.
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Javale McGee could be a good get as a back up and spot starter. He showed the ability to be a versatile defender inside and out.
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06-16-2022, 04:31 PM
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Mavs contracts (11)
Doncic - 35.7
THJ - 19
SD - 18
Bertans - 16
Wood - 14
DFS - 12
Powell - 12
Bullock - 10
Kleber - 9
Green - 3
Frank - 2
??free agents (2)?-
Brunson, Pinson
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Wood/Powell/Kleber
DFS/ ??? / Bertans
Bullock/ ??? / Green
THJ/ SD / ???
Doncic/???/Frank
12 guys and no glaring holes if we re-sign Brunson. 11 guys and only two real playmakers if Brunson goes.
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Mavs contracts (11)
Doncic - 35.7
THJ - 19
SD - 18
Bertans - 16
Wood - 14
DFS - 12
Powell - 12
Bullock - 10
Kleber - 9
Green - 3
Frank - 2
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Brunson, Pinson
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Wood/Powell/Kleber
DFS/ ??? / Bertans
Bullock/ ??? / Green
THJ/ SD / ???
Doncic/???/Frank
12 guys and no glaring holes if we re-sign Brunson. 11 guys and only two real playmakers if Brunson goes.
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The glaring hole is still no multi-tool 2 way wing. Yea JB is great but he can't play defense well and doesn't have size. No one else can even remotely dribble.
It's still an upgrade with the addition if Wood and having THJ back but I'm hopeful that we aren't done.
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The glaring hole is still no multi-tool 2 way wing. Yea JB is great but he can't play defense well and doesn't have size. No one else can even remotely dribble.
It's still an upgrade with the addition if Wood and having THJ back but I'm hopeful that we aren't done.
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Who did you have in mind for this extra wing? Wood is a pretty good ball handler so that somewhat helps, but I agree to an extra wing. Gotta get rid of THJ though or that wing won't get any minutes.
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06-16-2022, 05:40 PM
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What about Tyreke Evans? Is he available?
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Hasn't played in the NBA since 18/19.
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06-16-2022, 09:24 PM
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Any wing players that we can absorb with the TPE?
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I sincerely doubt if we use it. We're already deep into luxury tax money (assuming we sign Brunson) so that's a lot to ask
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GS is up handily on Boston. If they win it convincingly, then I'm 100% convinced that GS was the only team better than us this season. So getting Wood and THJ back already puts us at the very top. I know the West won't be stagnant, but there is little reason to make big changes.
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06-16-2022, 10:21 PM
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GS is up handily on Boston. If they win it convincingly, then I'm 100% convinced that GS was the only team better than us this season. So getting Wood and THJ back already puts us at the very top. I know the West won't be stagnant, but there is little reason to make big changes.
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Lets go through this year's teams-
Suns
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Jazz
Nuggets
Wolves
Pelicans
Suns I think are only going to get worse. This year was their last, best chance for a title and they blew it. Ayton is probably gone and CP3 is another year older. Grizzlies, good team but I do think the Mavs are better. Jazz- they're probably going to blow it up. Gobert is almost certainly gone. Nuggets are interesting. A fully healthy Nuggets team could get back to making noise in the playoffs, but they still don't scare me that much. Wolves, meh. Pelicans- now here's where it gets really interesting. If Zion is healthy and locked in, they could be a real contender. But is Zion rarely healthy, and it seems like he really doesn't want to be there, so who knows. A fully healthy Clippers team is also very tough, but again, when are they ever healthy?
So I agree. As it is, the Warriors are the only team that I would say are unequivocally better than the Mavs. But the Warriors are indeed loaded, and other teams will be making moves too, so hopefully we're not done making moves either. Gotta see if we can turn Powell's expiring, MLE, and maybe THJ into a two-way wing and a shot blocker off the bench.
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Lets go through this year's teams-
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Of the teams you listed, only the Nuggets and Pelicans are going to be better since they are getting players back. The rest are staying the same or dropping back.
And yes, the Clippers are going to be better (assuming their 2 headed monster attack is back).
But the Mavs are adding two players to our current group so I'm expecting big things from the team. Obviously I would like to see another big move but really I would be happy to see a bruising center type (like a Drummond) added to the mix just to take some of the regular season pounding.
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Marc Stein: As the leaguewide focus rapidly shifts to next week?s draft and the June 30 start of free agency, sources say Dallas ? while prioritizing its need for more wing help ? does intend to explore the possibility of signing Goran Dragic this summer. ? via Twitter TheSteinLine
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Looks like according to JB Instagram him and Maxi are working out together. Well kinda? Maxi forgot his shoes again (he forgot them once last summer too).
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Brunson isn't going anywhere. He isn't going to go win 20-30 games on the Knicks or Pistons from a situation where he will be on a top 5 team.
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Brunson isn't going anywhere. He isn't going to go win 20-30 games on the Knicks or Pistons from a situation where he will be on a top 5 team.
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This. I've read numerous times that playing for a winning team is very important to him.
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This. I've read numerous times that playing for a winning team is very important to him.
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NOW if another contender wants him, then that could change things. Like Miami for instance who managed to get Butler when they had no cap space. And Lowry has been a disaster for them. I know, I know, they are way over the cap, but somehow these teams manage to do this crap.
Don't be surprised when some out of left field team comes swinging for the fences.
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This. I've read numerous times that playing for a winning team is very important to him.
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See him pull out his Villanova ring during The Long Shot interview? What you read appears to be 100% right.
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The Mavericks? looming acquisition of Christian Wood through the first major trade of the offseason makes it ?far less likely,? according to one source, that they will utilize the $10.9 million trade exception at their disposal through June 27, which they created by trading Josh Richardson to Boston in July 2021. ? via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com
Hopefully this is inaccurate and the FO uses every avenue to improve this roster. There?s not a wing or backup big we can use the TPE for? I could be wrong, but I feel like we rarely use our TPE?s when we have them.
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JD Shaw: Sources: The @Dallas Mavericks are hosting a free-agent mini-camp this week that will have over 30 players attending. Dallas is trading four players in the Christian Wood deal, so it will soon have open roster spots. 7 hours ago ? via Twitter JShawNBA
JD Shaw: The Mavericks also hosted veteran guards Dion Waiters and Tyreke Evans in their mini-camp today, source tells @HoopsRumors. ? via Twitter JShawNBA
JD Shaw: Among the attendees: AJ Lawson, Chris Clemons, Emanuel Terry, Grant Riller, Isaiah Brown, Jalen Lecque, Jay Huff, Justin Gorham, Langston Galloway and Sekou Wiggs, plus several other players. 7 hours ago ? via Twitter JShawNBA
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Per Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report:
In forecasting their offseason dealings, the Knicks are said to be targeting roughly $25 million in room to be able to chase Dallas Mavericks point guard Jalen Brunson, and they are expected to find new homes for Alec Burks and Nerlens Noel, among other moves. Even if New York pivoted away from Brunson, who league personnel widely believe will return to Dallas, the Knicks would have a large gap to meet Irving's contractual wishes.
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Per Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report:
In forecasting their offseason dealings, the Knicks are said to be targeting roughly $25 million in room to be able to chase Dallas Mavericks point guard Jalen Brunson, and they are expected to find new homes for Alec Burks and Nerlens Noel, among other moves. Even if New York pivoted away from Brunson, who league personnel widely believe will return to Dallas, the Knicks would have a large gap to meet Irving's contractual wishes.
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I predict that the Knicks will swing and miss and end up with nothing, just like they always do. Brunson is staying here, and there's no way Brooklyn is giving away Kyrie just yet before he, KD, and Simmons play a single game together.
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JD Shaw: Sources: The @Dallas Mavericks are hosting a free-agent mini-camp this week that will have over 30 players attending. Dallas is trading four players in the Christian Wood deal, so it will soon have open roster spots. 7 hours ago ? via Twitter JShawNBA
JD Shaw: The Mavericks also hosted veteran guards Dion Waiters and Tyreke Evans in their mini-camp today, source tells @HoopsRumors. ? via Twitter JShawNBA
JD Shaw: Among the attendees: AJ Lawson, Chris Clemons, Emanuel Terry, Grant Riller, Isaiah Brown, Jalen Lecque, Jay Huff, Justin Gorham, Langston Galloway and Sekou Wiggs, plus several other players. 7 hours ago ? via Twitter JShawNBA
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Tyreke Evans is a low risk move to get some handles at the wing. I'd 100% toss him a life line to see if he can pull himself back into the ship. Getting a hungry guy with handles and experience(ish) is worth a long look.
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Who did you have in mind for this extra wing? Wood is a pretty good ball handler so that somewhat helps, but I agree to an extra wing. Gotta get rid of THJ though or that wing won't get any minutes.
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Without much research.
Oladipo
Take a flyer on T Evans or TJ Warren
Kyle Anderson
Nic Batum
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Without much research.
Oladipo
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Wouldn't mind giving a look at Lance Stephenson too. He did pretty well for the Pacers.
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Tim MacMahon: Sources: Maxi Kleber remains a significant part of the Mavs? plans after the Christian Wood trade. His $9 million salary isn?t guaranteed until July 4, but that is considered a formality. ? via Twitter espn_macmahon
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Wouldn't mind giving a look at Lance Stephenson too. He did pretty well for the Pacers.
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Hmm. I didn't realize he had 4 apg in 18 mpg. Didn't shoot the 3 well but he is included in the has handles and can defend category.
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Report: Jalen Brunson has told former and current teammates that his return to Dallas is essentially a done deal.
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Report: Jalen Brunson has told former and current teammates that his return to Dallas is essentially a done deal.
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Hell yeah! Just need a backup wing and backup 5 and we're ready to go.
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Hmm. I didn't realize he had 4 apg in 18 mpg. Didn't shoot the 3 well but he is included in the has handles and can defend category.
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We don't need three shooting after getting Wood. THJ, Wood, Brunson, Luka, DFS, Bullock, and Maxi can all shoot them in some form or another. That means getting a tweener playmaking wing should be rather easy.
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