12-05-2003, 12:15 AM
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Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
All we heard during training Camp was the mavs were going to score baskets in buckets, now they cant shoot wide open shots. I guess they are trying too hard to live up to the Hype of pre-season.
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12-05-2003, 12:18 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
Well if Fin and Walker keep jacking up shit perimeter shots and Jamison keeps missing lay ups the rest of the season this team is FUCKED.
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12-05-2003, 12:35 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
The Mavs need to lock themselves in gym and do nothing but shoot the next 2 weeks. We look like one of the worst shooting teams in the league right now. And it's not the defense that's being played on us. We're missing open shots. Layups. Dunks.
We just flat out S-U-C-K!!! We could have won this game tonight if we could have shot halfway decent.
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12-05-2003, 12:37 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Uh....ya think?
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12-05-2003, 12:38 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
the whole team played like their heads werent in the game, it looked like they played just for the sake of playing not for the sake of beating the lakers or any team they've played when the shoot 28-42%. we had a very good chance of winning but we couldnt make anything or even buy a basket, we ended up losing this game
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12-05-2003, 12:44 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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the whole team played like their heads werent in the game, it looked like they played just for the sake of playing not for the sake of beating the lakers or any team they've played when the shoot 28-42%. we had a very good chance of winning but we couldnt make anything or even buy a basket, we ended up losing this game
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Makes you wonder if there is something going on in the locker room that we haven't heard about.
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12-05-2003, 12:46 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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the whole team played like their heads werent in the game, it looked like they played just for the sake of playing not for the sake of beating the lakers or any team they've played when the shoot 28-42%. we had a very good chance of winning but we couldnt make anything or even buy a basket, we ended up losing this game
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I lay a lot of the blame on Nellie. It sure looked like he didn't have his team prepared for the Lakers. His lame ass coward comments about being scared of looking at tape of the Fakers didn't help. If the Mavs had been prepared right and had their heads in the game we could have won this game. With Nellies performance so far this year, I say if he doesn't greately improve by years end then we should seriously look at a new coach for next year.
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12-05-2003, 12:47 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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the whole team played like their heads werent in the game, it looked like they played just for the sake of playing not for the sake of beating the lakers or any team they've played when the shoot 28-42%. we had a very good chance of winning but we couldnt make anything or even buy a basket, we ended up losing this game
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I think its the opposite. Their heads were TOO much into the game. They kept thinking about Shaq and the officiating. Just play the game.
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12-05-2003, 12:57 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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the whole team played like their heads werent in the game, it looked like they played just for the sake of playing not for the sake of beating the lakers or any team they've played when the shoot 28-42%. we had a very good chance of winning but we couldnt make anything or even buy a basket, we ended up losing this game
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I lay a lot of the blame on Nellie. It sure looked like he didn't have his team prepared for the Lakers. His lame ass coward comments about being scared of looking at tape of the Fakers didn't help. If the Mavs had been prepared right and had their heads in the game we could have won this game. With Nellies performance so far this year, I say if he doesn't greately improve by years end then we should seriously look at a new coach for next year.
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I had read that Nellie had the team doing shooting drills all yesterday. Didn't even bother with game preparation and still we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I'm not going to blame him for the players' shooting woes tonight. Though, like you, I certainly wasn't inspired by his comments about the Lakers.
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12-05-2003, 01:00 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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the whole team played like their heads werent in the game, it looked like they played just for the sake of playing not for the sake of beating the lakers or any team they've played when the shoot 28-42%. we had a very good chance of winning but we couldnt make anything or even buy a basket, we ended up losing this game
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I lay a lot of the blame on Nellie. It sure looked like he didn't have his team prepared for the Lakers. His lame ass coward comments about being scared of looking at tape of the Fakers didn't help. If the Mavs had been prepared right and had their heads in the game we could have won this game. With Nellies performance so far this year, I say if he doesn't greately improve by years end then we should seriously look at a new coach for next year.
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I had read that Nellie had the team doing shooting drills all yesterday. Didn't even bother with game preparation and still we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I'm not going to blame him for the players' shooting woes tonight. Though, like you, I certainly wasn't inspired by his comments about the Lakers.
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He can't make players make shots, but mentally the Mavs seemed totally out of sorts and unprepared. Guess what, the last time we played the Fakers it was the same way. In fact it's that way against them more times than not. And it's not the only game that the team has seemed that way. Nellie just flat out isnt' getting the job done in preparing this team. It could be that they just aren't listening to him.
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12-05-2003, 01:08 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
Tonight was no shooting slump. That was just the fear of the Lakers. We do this everytime we play those guys. I don't know what it is. What makes it worse is even the Lakers know we are afraid of them.
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12-05-2003, 01:10 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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the whole team played like their heads werent in the game, it looked like they played just for the sake of playing not for the sake of beating the lakers or any team they've played when the shoot 28-42%. we had a very good chance of winning but we couldnt make anything or even buy a basket, we ended up losing this game
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I lay a lot of the blame on Nellie. It sure looked like he didn't have his team prepared for the Lakers. His lame ass coward comments about being scared of looking at tape of the Fakers didn't help. If the Mavs had been prepared right and had their heads in the game we could have won this game. With Nellies performance so far this year, I say if he doesn't greately improve by years end then we should seriously look at a new coach for next year.
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I had read that Nellie had the team doing shooting drills all yesterday. Didn't even bother with game preparation and still we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I'm not going to blame him for the players' shooting woes tonight. Though, like you, I certainly wasn't inspired by his comments about the Lakers.
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He can't make players make shots, but mentally the Mavs seemed totally out of sorts and unprepared. Guess what, the last time we played the Fakers it was the same way. In fact it's that way against them more times than not. And it's not the only game that the team has seemed that way. Nellie just flat out isnt' getting the job done in preparing this team. It could be that they just aren't listening to him.
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Would you want to listen to someone who never thought you are as good as you really are, someone that has a defeatist(sp) attitude, someone who thinks of you as the underdog against an under .500 team.
Screw Nellie and his Shitty attitude.
Where is Mavskiki, I want to jump on the fire Nellie bandwagon.
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12-05-2003, 01:12 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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the whole team played like their heads werent in the game, it looked like they played just for the sake of playing not for the sake of beating the lakers or any team they've played when the shoot 28-42%. we had a very good chance of winning but we couldnt make anything or even buy a basket, we ended up losing this game
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I lay a lot of the blame on Nellie. It sure looked like he didn't have his team prepared for the Lakers. His lame ass coward comments about being scared of looking at tape of the Fakers didn't help. If the Mavs had been prepared right and had their heads in the game we could have won this game. With Nellies performance so far this year, I say if he doesn't greately improve by years end then we should seriously look at a new coach for next year.
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I have to say I agree with you on this, this team was not prepared. I can't remember a better example of one team having a mental block toward another team. Obviously the Mavs have a confidence problem with respect to the Lakers and as far as I'm concerned when it reaches the level this one has it is a coaching problem. I just don't buy that the Lakers are just so much better athletes that the Mavericks can't win a home game against them.
A coaches number 1 job is to prepare a plan that if executed can be successful, That hasn't been done. Sometimes a coach has to alter his ideas and adjust them to the talents of his team, that hasn't been done either. And if your team shows the lack of self confidence the Mavericks show against the Lakers then just saying the players have to overcome that themselves is not enough, Nellie needs to take it upon himself to find a way to relax his team and establish a rotation that allows the players to understand their responsibilities. And while just playing your game may not be enough to beat the Lakers, The quality of the execution is a direct result of poor game planning and preparation. No one is more responsible for the poor play tonight than Nellie and his voodoo match up decisions.
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12-05-2003, 01:13 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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the whole team played like their heads werent in the game, it looked like they played just for the sake of playing not for the sake of beating the lakers or any team they've played when the shoot 28-42%. we had a very good chance of winning but we couldnt make anything or even buy a basket, we ended up losing this game
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I lay a lot of the blame on Nellie. It sure looked like he didn't have his team prepared for the Lakers. His lame ass coward comments about being scared of looking at tape of the Fakers didn't help. If the Mavs had been prepared right and had their heads in the game we could have won this game. With Nellies performance so far this year, I say if he doesn't greately improve by years end then we should seriously look at a new coach for next year.
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I had read that Nellie had the team doing shooting drills all yesterday. Didn't even bother with game preparation and still we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I'm not going to blame him for the players' shooting woes tonight. Though, like you, I certainly wasn't inspired by his comments about the Lakers.
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He can't make players make shots, but mentally the Mavs seemed totally out of sorts and unprepared. Guess what, the last time we played the Fakers it was the same way. In fact it's that way against them more times than not. And it's not the only game that the team has seemed that way. Nellie just flat out isnt' getting the job done in preparing this team. It could be that they just aren't listening to him.
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Some things never change about Nellie. He will ALWAYS be an underdog coach. You think he would have learned his lesson from NVE in the Sac series last year. I got on him so many times last year about his loser mentality, that I started sounding like a broken record. But Nellie continued to provide me with reams of quotes that built my case. This year I have been cutting him some slack so far, but the quotes about how he couldn't watch film because the lakers were so awesome just make me shake my head and ask "do we have to endure this **** again?"
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12-05-2003, 01:13 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Tonight was no shooting slump. That was just the fear of the Lakers. We do this everytime we play those guys. I don't know what it is. What makes it worse is even the Lakers know we are afraid of them.
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Fear like shit flows downhill. This fear comes from Nellie. Nellie is one of the worst coaches in the NBA against the Lakers. There are tons of coaches with lottery team talent who playe the Lakers better than us. I don't know of any coach in the NBA who gets less out of his players percentage wise against the Lakers. As long as the road to a championship leads through LA, Nellie has a snowball's chance in hell of getting us their because of his balless fear of the Fakers.
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12-05-2003, 01:26 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
I think it is time for Nellie to step aside and let Junior to take control of this Team. If Donny only likes the Front Office then we need to start a draft Pat Reilly movement.
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12-05-2003, 01:34 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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I think it is time for Nellie to step aside and let Junior to take control of this Team. If Donny only likes the Front Office then we need to start a draft Pat Reilly movement.
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I don't know if Pat is the answer, but it sure is looking like Nellie damn sure isn't.
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Uh....ya think?
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12-05-2003, 08:10 AM
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RE: Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
Man, here we go again, huh?
Why is everybody so thrilled to bash the usual suspects (Nellie, Fin, lack of a center blah blah) instead of just tel what happened?
We played a team beeing damn loaded with quality, failed to connect on easy shots, failed to get respect from the refs when we needed it most, failed to give them the momentum changing hard foul.
Yes, we are in a shooting slump.
Yes, we had serious problems getting into this game.
Yes, we had problems at the board.
So what?
Hell, let´s give the Lakers credit for outscoring us early, when they just executed. Let´s give the Lakers credit for crashing the boards. Let´s give the Lakers credit for us missing wide open shots - hm, wait. That was luck.
This team could have aswell quitted late in the third. But it tried to come back possession after possession. Nash, Walker, Finley, Jamison, Howard WANTED to close the gap. And they did, almost.
This was BY FAR a better game than our season opener. But right, let´s sack Nellie, trade Finley, quick, before we have to admit that there´s a team that´s currently BETTER. Is it so hard to give them the credit for what they are doing?
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Man, here we go again, huh?
Why is everybody so thrilled to bash the usual suspects (Nellie, Fin, lack of a center blah blah) instead of just tel what happened?
We played a team beeing damn loaded with quality, failed to connect on easy shots, failed to get respect from the refs when we needed it most, failed to give them the momentum changing hard foul.
Yes, we are in a shooting slump.
Yes, we had serious problems getting into this game.
Yes, we had problems at the board.
So what?
Hell, let´s give the Lakers credit for outscoring us early, when they just executed. Let´s give the Lakers credit for crashing the boards. Let´s give the Lakers credit for us missing wide open shots - hm, wait. That was luck.
This team could have aswell quitted late in the third. But it tried to come back possession after possession. Nash, Walker, Finley, Jamison, Howard WANTED to close the gap. And they did, almost.
This was BY FAR a better game than our season opener. But right, let´s sack Nellie, trade Finley, quick, before we have to admit that there´s a team that´s currently BETTER. Is it so hard to give them the credit for what they are doing?
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It's hard to give the other Team credit when you know deep down that the Mavs beat themselves. I include both Players and Coach in that statement. If you are going to only use Fortson 4 minutes against Shaq, then why even have him on the team? If the players psyche themselves out so badly that they can't make open layups, then why credit the other team? If the coach has a difficult time fashioning a game plan that uses all of our talent correctly, why credit the other team?
The officiating? Heck, the coach and the players have got to factor that in to the game plan. You KNOW ahead of time you are not going to get the calls. You KNOW ahead of time you are not going to get respect, especially against the Lakers. Deal with it ahead of time and not during the game.
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Man, here we go again, huh?
Why is everybody so thrilled to bash the usual suspects (Nellie, Fin, lack of a center blah blah) instead of just tel what happened?
We played a team beeing damn loaded with quality, failed to connect on easy shots, failed to get respect from the refs when we needed it most, failed to give them the momentum changing hard foul.
Yes, we are in a shooting slump.
Yes, we had serious problems getting into this game.
Yes, we had problems at the board.
So what?
Hell, let´s give the Lakers credit for outscoring us early, when they just executed. Let´s give the Lakers credit for crashing the boards. Let´s give the Lakers credit for us missing wide open shots - hm, wait. That was luck.
This team could have aswell quitted late in the third. But it tried to come back possession after possession. Nash, Walker, Finley, Jamison, Howard WANTED to close the gap. And they did, almost.
This was BY FAR a better game than our season opener. But right, let´s sack Nellie, trade Finley, quick, before we have to admit that there´s a team that´s currently BETTER. Is it so hard to give them the credit for what they are doing?
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Yes, we should unload Finley: 9-30 is a horrendous performance, especially if you consider that for at least 75% of his misses, they were UNCONTESTED. THREE REBOUNDS in FORTY THREE MINUTES! WTF! He is not in the game mentally. After he was 0 for 9, maybe he should've gone to the hole; maybe he should've focused on rebounding. This guy makes 13 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
Yes, we should unload Finley: 9-30 is a horrendous performance, especially if you consider that for at least 75% of his misses, they were UNCONTESTED. THREE REBOUNDS in FORTY THREE MINUTES! WTF! He is not in the game mentally. After he was 0 for 9, maybe he should've gone to the hole; maybe he should've focused on rebounding. This guy makes 13 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!
With Finley it all goes back to his lack of ball handling skills. He just can't drive to the hoop and make a tough shot or draw the foul. Now he can drive ok againt a bad team with an average center but he NEVER does it if there is any chance of his shot getting blocked. Finley is a good complimentary player who can get hot and hit a ton of tough fall away jumpers. He is not a guy who will keep you in the game with drives to the basket. Having said all of that, he is still a very good player who has WAY more competitive fire than Jamison who has much more talent.
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
Talent is not this team's problem. Focus and direction.
1.) Focus :In a game regardless of who your playing, gotta be prepared. (Who will I be guarding? Let me study their game film.)
Josh Howard appears to be good at this. He covered Kobe pretty good (No, he didn't shut him down; he made him earn his pts).
2.) Direction : What kind of a team is this? Balanced on both sides of the ball? Defensive-minded? Offensive-minded? Rebound-minded? Run & Gun? Motion? Iso? Half-court?
If I was a player on this team, I'd be confused. Just what am I supposed to do?
All in all, I see a team waiting and looking for direction.
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Well if Fin and Walker keep jacking up shit perimeter shots and Jamison keeps missing lay ups the rest of the season this team is FUCKED.
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I don't think Walker can hit the Three anymore... SERIOUSLY.
I think he's better off making his living down in the low-post.... He can make Vlade-like passes, draw Double-teams, and score at will.
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
And the only positive thing that happened tonight as a result of Nellie's "Practice" was that Walker was 3-4 from The line!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
He changed his form to match Jamisons.....Gotta keep up with the Twans/Toines, I guess. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Well if Fin and Walker keep jacking up shit perimeter shots and Jamison keeps missing lay ups the rest of the season this team is FUCKED.
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I don't think Walker can hit the Three anymore... SERIOUSLY.
I think he's better off making his living down in the low-post.... He can make Vlade-like passes, draw Double-teams, and score at will.
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If only Walker would do this, then we do not need to make a major trade now and we can start/play our best 5. If Walker would take the low post route we could afford to have him, Dirk, AJ on the front line most of the time.
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Talent is not this team's problem. Focus and direction.
1.) Focus :In a game regardless of who your playing, gotta be prepared. (Who will I be guarding? Let me study their game film.)
Josh Howard appears to be good at this. He covered Kobe pretty good (No, he didn't shut him down; he made him earn his pts).
2.) Direction : What kind of a team is this? Balanced on both sides of the ball? Defensive-minded? Offensive-minded? Rebound-minded? Run & Gun? Motion? Iso? Half-court?
If I was a player on this team, I'd be confused. Just what am I supposed to do?
All in all, I see a team waiting and looking for direction.
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Good points. I think that in his quest to confuse the other team, Nellie all too often only ends up confusing his own team. Sometimes there is a very good reason that the best things are the simplest. And I'd rather make the other team stop me than do it for them.
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
Its not that the Mavs are in a serious shooting slump, its that the past two years, they were unbelievably hot. And now, that they are shooting like the rest of the teams in the league, 43-45 percent on a good night and less than 40 on a bad one, they are in trouble because they have nothing else to fall back on. NObody that says, `thats my rebound and im going to get it,' nobody that plays grind it out defense, nobody that can make consistent plays in the paint. They depend on the gimmicks of Nellie to get them points, the way he creates mismatches, but when it gets tight in games and the score is close, its all about men and who's going to make a play when the play drawn up doenst work. And the mavericks dont have many men. I think Steve Nash showed last night that he is the MAN on the Mavericks roster, bound and determined to do whatever he could do to keep the mavs in it. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]
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12-05-2003, 07:58 PM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Well if Fin and Walker keep jacking up shit perimeter shots and Jamison keeps missing lay ups the rest of the season this team is FUCKED.
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I don't think Walker can hit the Three anymore... SERIOUSLY.
I think he's better off making his living down in the low-post.... He can make Vlade-like passes, draw Double-teams, and score at will.
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If only Walker would do this, then we do not need to make a major trade now and we can start/play our best 5. If Walker would take the low post route we could afford to have him, Dirk, AJ on the front line most of the time.
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Nellie should take responsibility for this, you know. He's the coach and Walker HAS TO listen to him. Why doesn't Nellie say "Toine, I want you to post-up all game long"??
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12-05-2003, 08:07 PM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
Nellie should take responsibility for this, you know. He's the coach and Walker HAS TO listen to him. Why doesn't Nellie say "Toine, I want you to post-up all game long"??[/quote]
the probable answer is two fold:
1.cause Walker does not like to take the pounding....he gets shook up and misses layups if there is any contact at all!(hyperbole..kinda)
2. Nellie, deep down inside, does not like post play....
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12-05-2003, 08:15 PM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
we all know walker likes to shoot the three... but wasn´t nellie urging him to do so? i think it´s okay for walker to shoot some threes but he´s shooting something like 27%. nellie should just tell him to cut back on the 3pointers and go down low.
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12-05-2003, 08:22 PM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Nellie should take responsibility for this, you know. He's the coach and Walker HAS TO listen to him. Why doesn't Nellie say "Toine, I want you to post-up all game long"??
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the probable answer is two fold:
1.cause Walker does not like to take the pounding....he gets shook up and misses layups if there is any contact at all!(hyperbole..kinda)
2. Nellie, deep down inside, does not like post play....[/quote]
1.) Name me one Player who DOES... Nobody likes to get hammered down low. But Yet Walker stays there most of the time and grabs REBOUNDS. If Walker liked the Perimeter so much, he wouldn't be down there Grabbing around 10 boards a game.
As for getting "shook up", I assume you are referring to when he gets FOULED but there is no call and walker ends up missing the shot. And frankly, I wouldn't assume that there is or isn't any contact down low, sike. You and I aren't out there on the court with Walker. Only He knows whether he got hacked or not and if he says he got hacked, I believe there could be some truth to it.
2.) If this is true, He has got to go. The idea is to Score points and going to the Low-post is the best alternative for when our outside shot is not falling.... If Nellie does not like this, then maybe Cuban should go find someone who DOES. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
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12-05-2003, 08:38 PM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
Name me one Player who DOES... ....EFFECTIVE POST PLAYERS!...(they like it!...like O linemen)
as far as the rebounds...he gets them cuz he goes fot them...same as anyone else!
and the fact that contact is made and could be called as a foul is no reason to miss as many point blank shots....not Walker hatin' just pointing out what I see![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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12-06-2003, 05:49 PM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Name me one Player who DOES... ....EFFECTIVE POST PLAYERS!...(they like it!...like O linemen)
as far as the rebounds...he gets them cuz he goes fot them...same as anyone else!
and the fact that contact is made and could be called as a foul is no reason to miss as many point blank shots....not Walker hatin' just pointing out what I see![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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I know you're not Walker hating. This isn't the Celtics board. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
But if he goes for the rebounds just like everyone else, How does he end up with Double-Digit Rebounds almost EVERY SINGLE NIGHT?? If EVERYONE Else went to the glass like Walker does, He wouldn't be averaging close to 10 a game.
And an effective Post-Man should be an O-Lineman, I suppose. Let's call up Parcells and ask if he has any O-Linemen on the practice squad to spare..... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
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12-06-2003, 06:00 PM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Yes, we should unload Finley: 9-30 is a horrendous performance, especially if you consider that for at least 75% of his misses, they were UNCONTESTED. THREE REBOUNDS in FORTY THREE MINUTES! WTF! He is not in the game mentally. After he was 0 for 9, maybe he should've gone to the hole; maybe he should've focused on rebounding. This guy makes 13 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!
With Finley it all goes back to his lack of ball handling skills. He just can't drive to the hoop and make a tough shot or draw the foul. Now he can drive ok againt a bad team with an average center but he NEVER does it if there is any chance of his shot getting blocked. Finley is a good complimentary player who can get hot and hit a ton of tough fall away jumpers. He is not a guy who will keep you in the game with drives to the basket. Having said all of that, he is still a very good player who has WAY more competitive fire than Jamison who has much more talent.
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Then, this is the type of player we need to get for Finley; Wells would've been ideal if he wasn't a mental case. Either trade him if he does not improve or make the whole team practice shooting until their hands bleed! This ridiculous missing of uncontested shots right under the basket or uncontested 10 - 15 foot jumpers needs to end immediately! This is the freaking NBA. These players (especially Fin & Walker) should be finishing uncontested shots about 60-70% of the time! I'm so tired of everyone making excuses for them. I watch games around the league around the clock, & I see ROOKIES who shoot better than these two. This nonsense reminds me of when the ridiculous "Three J's" were so turnover prone. Watch the Kings and the Fakers. This is what is separating us from them. Forget about all this "sack Nellie" BS; sack Finley & Walker. If they make their freaking shots, we beat the pussy Lakers. They may be talented, but they CAN be beaten. It's like they were waiting for some competition from the Mavs that never came. No wonder Shaq was laughing. The Mavs are so messed up in their heads, they can't even hit shots that the average high school player could make. Somebody needs to really push the Fab Four; then we'll see how Malone, Payton, & Shaq hold up. How about playing our Fab Five 40 minutes each, together. Give them 2 minutes rest a quarter. Why not, Nellie's willing to try every other lame-brained strategy. Why doesn't he get Fortson to break Malone's leg; he ought to at least "earn" a suspension, & then maybe Malone can get paid back for all his cheap shots he's taken at Nowitzski & Nash. Maybe Fortson should practice "chinning" at Malone's head.
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12-06-2003, 07:59 PM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Yes, we should unload Finley: 9-30 is a horrendous performance, especially if you consider that for at least 75% of his misses, they were UNCONTESTED. THREE REBOUNDS in FORTY THREE MINUTES! WTF! He is not in the game mentally. After he was 0 for 9, maybe he should've gone to the hole; maybe he should've focused on rebounding. This guy makes 13 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!
With Finley it all goes back to his lack of ball handling skills. He just can't drive to the hoop and make a tough shot or draw the foul. Now he can drive ok againt a bad team with an average center but he NEVER does it if there is any chance of his shot getting blocked. Finley is a good complimentary player who can get hot and hit a ton of tough fall away jumpers. He is not a guy who will keep you in the game with drives to the basket. Having said all of that, he is still a very good player who has WAY more competitive fire than Jamison who has much more talent.
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Then, this is the type of player we need to get for Finley; Wells would've been ideal if he wasn't a mental case. Either trade him if he does not improve or make the whole team practice shooting until their hands bleed! This ridiculous missing of uncontested shots right under the basket or uncontested 10 - 15 foot jumpers needs to end immediately! This is the freaking NBA. These players (especially Fin & Walker) should be finishing uncontested shots about 60-70% of the time! I'm so tired of everyone making excuses for them. I watch games around the league around the clock, & I see ROOKIES who shoot better than these two. This nonsense reminds me of when the ridiculous "Three J's" were so turnover prone. Watch the Kings and the Fakers. This is what is separating us from them. Forget about all this "sack Nellie" BS; sack Finley & Walker. If they make their freaking shots, we beat the pussy Lakers. They may be talented, but they CAN be beaten. It's like they were waiting for some competition from the Mavs that never came. No wonder Shaq was laughing. The Mavs are so messed up in their heads, they can't even hit shots that the average high school player could make. Somebody needs to really push the Fab Four; then we'll see how Malone, Payton, & Shaq hold up. How about playing our Fab Five 40 minutes each, together. Give them 2 minutes rest a quarter. Why not, Nellie's willing to try every other lame-brained strategy. Why doesn't he get Fortson to break Malone's leg; he ought to at least "earn" a suspension, & then maybe Malone can get paid back for all his cheap shots he's taken at Nowitzski & Nash. Maybe Fortson should practice "chinning" at Malone's head.
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Walker's Line : 24 pts (9-18 shooting), 12 boards....(yeah I know he was 3-8 from downtown but the threes became inconsequential because Walker was trying to shoot the team back into the game when no one else could buy one)
Bottom line : Walker pretty much MADE his shots.....It was Finley who Didn't.
But let's not start the Blame game again....The fact remains that we lost when we could've won. Duh...
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12-06-2003, 08:03 PM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
I totally agree about Walker, but as soon as I come down on Fin for his poor play, everyone is either going to start insulting me personally, make excuses for him, or point the finger at Walker. I still think, however, that Walker needs to start shooting practice night & day until he can shoot at a respectable percentage consistently (and no more "blown" layups or put backs).
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12-06-2003, 08:15 PM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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I totally agree about Walker, but as soon as I come down on Fin for his poor play, everyone is either going to start insulting me personally, make excuses for him, or point the finger at Walker.
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Replace Fin with Pierce and it was the same crap all over again but with the Celtics. Ahh memories... [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]
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I still think, however, that Walker needs to start shooting practice night & day until he can shoot at a respectable percentage consistently (and no more "blown" layups or put backs).
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This I agree with 10000000000%
When he received a pass from Nash on the Break and he blew the layup before tipping it back in, I was ready to smash my TV Set in frustration....Walker CAN Dunk the Ball....WHY DOESN'T HE??? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]
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12-06-2003, 09:09 PM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
Except that Finley is not as good as Pierce, & Walker & Pierce didn't have Dirk, Nash, Jamison, & Bradley (yes Bradley).
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12-07-2003, 04:15 AM
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RE:Is this Mavs Team in a serious Shooting Slump?
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Except that Finley is not as good as Pierce, & Walker & Pierce didn't have Dirk, Nash, Jamison, & Bradley (yes Bradley).
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Bradley would be the SHAQ of the East if he was with the C's.... lol! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
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