Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread - Page 16 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Melonhead · 06-06-2023, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Cato says we are almost 100% going to trade the pick

Fart noises

saclare · 06-06-2023, 04:19 PM

I think it's foolish to trade the pick, but I reserve the right to reassess pending what it could actually bring back in a trade. I just think having another young core piece outweighs anyone we can get here solely with it. Mavs will likely desperately include Hardy/Green and/or the other future available 1st and it will be maddening.

SMC0007 · 06-06-2023, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

I think it's foolish to trade the pick, but I reserve the right to reassess pending what it could actually bring back in a trade. I just think having another young core piece outweighs anyone we can get here solely with it. Mavs will likely desperately include Hardy/Green and/or the other future available 1st and it will be maddening.

100%. Long as it's for an obvious clear upgrade that isnt a year or 2 from retirement or decline.

It seemed like a no-brainer right after the season, but after looking at all the picks we owe, it makes sense to use #10

tap2390 · 06-06-2023, 04:49 PM

No problem with trading the pick as long we get/buy A pick to at least take a shot on a 3/4 year guy later in the draft -- Sasser, TJD, etc.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-06-2023, 05:32 PM

Well we just had a team full of vets that didn't do shit. We don't have the assets to get the more talented vets we desperately need. You can maybe get one if you give up everything.

So your other avenue is young talent. We can turn pick 10 into multiple young assets with some effort or just pick it.

And for the umteenth time, Hardy came on in half a season.

Dallas41 · 06-06-2023, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well we just had a team full of vets that didn't do shit. We don't have the assets to get the more talented vets we desperately need. You can maybe get one if you give up everything.

So your other avenue is young talent. We can turn pick 10 into multiple young assets with some effort or just pick it.

And for the umteenth time, Hardy came on in half a season.

I don't think you can reasonably compare guys like myles Turner, Siakam, Anouby or Grant to any current vets on this roster right now

Those types of guys are far better than the likes of kleber, Bullock, THJ or Powell

So it's not the same IMO

BTW has anyone taken Luka into account here?

I believe getting instant help has more to do with what Luka and kyrie has discussed with management

I'm pretty sure those two guys have provided their input into this thought process.

Sure we can look at it from a fan perspective and think long term

But are we sure Luka is thinking long term or right now

Dallas41 · 06-06-2023, 06:45 PM

Should the Dallas Mavericks sign Jakob Poetl?
Mavericks Twitter was buzzing this weekend as a fan reportedly talked with Jakob Poeltl at the FIBA 3X3 World Cup in his hometown of Vienna, Austria.

This fan's claims should have MFFLs excited about his upcoming free agency.

The fan told Poeltl that they'd love to have him in Dallas, and 7'1 big man replied that he would be open to it and he "likes the team." Regardless of if this Reddit user is telling the truth or not, Dallas should look into the possibility of bringing in Poeltl in free agency.

Poeltl averaged 12.5 points, 9.1 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.2 steals, and 1.3 blocks per game last season and was playing some of his best basketball. He is one of the market's top free-agent centers, and Dallas should look into bringing him in.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-06-2023, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

I don't think you can reasonably compare guys like myles Turner, Siakam, Anouby or Grant to any current vets on this roster right now

Those types of guys are far better than the likes of kleber, Bullock, THJ or Powell

So it's not the same IMO

BTW has anyone taken Luka into account here?

I believe getting instant help has more to do with what Luka and kyrie has discussed with management

I'm pretty sure those two guys have provided their input into this thought process.

Sure we can look at it from a fan perspective and think long term

But are we sure Luka is thinking long term or right now

None of those guys are available! Not for what we have at least.

Dallas41 · 06-06-2023, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

None of those guys are available! Not for what we have at least.

Some of those guys may not require more than one 1st round pick

But if the mavs play their cards right I think they can get Ayton for just Wood and Green.

Draft Hendricks at 10 and sign Dillon Brooks to replace Green.

Now your rolling out a lineup of Ayton, Hendricks, Brooks, Luka and Kyrie

Your adding both size and defense to your front court without giving up the pick.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-07-2023, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Some of those guys may not require more than one 1st round pick

But if the mavs play their cards right I think they can get Ayton for just Wood and Green.

Draft Hendricks at 10 and sign Dillon Brooks to replace Green.

Now your rolling out a lineup of Ayton, Hendricks, Brooks, Luka and Kyrie

Your adding both size and defense to your front court without giving up the pick.

So you're arguing left and right to trade the pick to get Luka help...but now we keep the pick and get Ayton for Wood and Green?

And then sign Brooks with what cap space again?

Melonhead · 06-07-2023, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

I don't think you can reasonably compare guys like myles Turner, Siakam, Anouby or Grant to any current vets on this roster right now

Those types of guys are far better than the likes of kleber, Bullock, THJ or Powell

So it's not the same IMO

BTW has anyone taken Luka into account here?

I believe getting instant help has more to do with what Luka and kyrie has discussed with management

I'm pretty sure those two guys have provided their input into this thought process.

Sure we can look at it from a fan perspective and think long term

But are we sure Luka is thinking long term or right now

Pointless to include any of those guys besides Turner as they aren?t available, not for what the Mavs can offer.

tap2390 · 06-07-2023, 10:02 AM

Random trade thought:

Kerr just publicly threw Kuminga under the bus on Draymond's podcast.

Javale & #10 for Kuminga? Does GSW include #19 in such a deal? Draft TJD at 19 and boom:

Luka
Kyrie
Green
Kuminga
TJD

saclare · 06-07-2023, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Random trade thought:

Kerr just publicly threw Kuminga under the bus on Draymond's podcast.

Javale & #10 for Kuminga? Does GSW include #19 in such a deal? Draft TJD at 19 and boom:

Luka
Kyrie
Green
Kuminga
TJD

Well, I wouldn't give up #10 just for Kuminga...

EricaLubarsky · 06-07-2023, 12:12 PM

I?m not sure I?d do a late first or second rounder for Kuminga.

A mid-late lottery for him? Unless you?re sending the first to shed salary in which case McGee is only an MLE and we could shed more salary for a high FRP

BPo001 · 06-07-2023, 02:25 PM

I?m not giving up #10 for Kum Bucket

sig · 06-07-2023, 03:22 PM

I wouldn't deal 10 for Kuminga though I think his talent is as good to what will be available with the 10th pick. He is not 21 yet and has proven he can play in the NBA. If the Mavs could unload McGee and 10 for him and 19, I'd might have to go for it. Prefer to send McGee and future FRP for him.

BPo001 · 06-07-2023, 04:26 PM

Suns to release CP3

tap2390 · 06-07-2023, 04:50 PM

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Suns to release CP3

Kyrie to Suns is a real threat.

EricaLubarsky · 06-07-2023, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Suns to release CP3

This changes nothing (for us at least).

CP collects 30mill.
Suns save 15mill on their cap hit but are still over the cap.
Suns clear up a 7mill MLE slot to sign one player.
CP re-signs with the Suns for the veteran minimum.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-07-2023, 04:59 PM

I mean, if it turns out to be Kyrie for Ayton without giving up a pick, then I won't be too upset...I guess.

I'm more and more semi-hoping we don't keep Kyrie. Not sure the constant drama is worth it. Can't go five minutes without something popping up about it.

EricaLubarsky · 06-08-2023, 12:22 PM

There's a fire sale on Zion right now. Wonder what the cost would be and if we could somehow keep our #10? Honestly wonder if they would stay on the line if we offered Wood (SnT), Hardy, and a future pick.

Lively (discount Tyson Chandler)
Zion (discount Zion)
Bullock (discount Derrick White)
Kyrie (discount Kyrie)
Luka

On paper, that is a crazy strong team. Then again, Zion is more likely to be having rough sex with porn stars and munching on Cheetos than play.

tap2390 · 06-08-2023, 03:15 PM

No thanks to Zion. We need pieces that fit around Luka and Kyrie. My personal hope is for a trade down netting us a couple of useful role players and landing us a pick in a more appropriate spot for Lively or Jackson-Davis...

#10 & Bertans for #20 and DFS (Nets)

or

#10 for #20 & #21 (Nets)

or

#10 for #12 & #37 (Thunder)

or

#10 for #16 & #28 (Jazz)

TJD is my big crush in this draft, but I really do fear he'll be gone in the Lottery.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-08-2023, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

No thanks to Zion. We need pieces that fit around Luka and Kyrie. My personal hope is for a trade down netting us a couple of useful role players and landing us a pick in a more appropriate spot for Lively or Jackson-Davis...

#10 & Bertans for #20 and DFS (Nets)

or

#10 for #20 & #21 (Nets)

or

#10 for #12 & #37 (Thunder)

or

#10 for #16 & #28 (Jazz)

TJD is my big crush in this draft, but I really do fear he'll be gone in the Lottery.

Our only hope with TJD is that Cuban went to the same college.

But honestly, I never thought we had a shot at Hardy even at 26 last draft. Mavs are good at the draft and should definitely stay in it.

rimrocker · 06-10-2023, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

No thanks to Zion. We need pieces that fit around Luka and Kyrie. My personal hope is for a trade down netting us a couple of useful role players and landing us a pick in a more appropriate spot for Lively or Jackson-Davis...

#10 & Bertans for #20 and DFS (Nets)

or

#10 for #20 & #21 (Nets)

or

#10 for #12 & #37 (Thunder)

or

#10 for #16 & #28 (Jazz)

TJD is my big crush in this draft, but I really do fear he'll be gone in the Lottery.

I like the Jazz suggestion.

Lively could very well be there at 16 and then we could take BPA at 28.
There are several PFs and SFs in the 22-30 range that look to have some potential.

I'm curious about Klintman.
Draftnet has a John Collins/Christian Wood comparison with similar size.

And I just noticed today that TJD is Dale Davis' son.

tap2390 · 06-09-2023, 09:45 AM

For those of you on IG, check out Luka?s story. He looks good.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-09-2023, 03:16 PM

It's weird though because nbadraft.net now has TJD at 19 to the Warriors. They are the only ones that rank him high like that, but how can people ignore what he brings especially after seeing Bam in the finals?

They are always off on the draft, but man would it be funny if they got that one right. And if he did go higher than people think, then it shows that you should just draft who you want instead of "the value for pick slot isn't there" crap.

EricaLubarsky · 06-09-2023, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

It's weird though because nbadraft.net now has TJD at 19 to the Warriors. They are the only ones that rank him high like that, but how can people ignore what he brings especially after seeing Bam in the finals?

They are always off on the draft, but man would it be funny if they got that one right. And if he did go higher than people think, then it shows that you should just draft who you want instead of "the value for pick slot isn't there" crap.

----first round-------
NBADraft - 19th
NBAdraftroom - 29th
Ringer - 29th
Sportsillustrated - 29th
-----second round-----
Tankathon - 31st
Hoopshype - 36th
Bleacherreport - 38th
TheAthletic - 54th
SBNation - 2nd round
Lineups - 2nd round
CBS - 2nd round
Yardbarker - 2nd round

Historically NBADraft has been the LEAST reliable source. It doesn't mean that they are wrong, but it certainly doesn't give me confidence when I look at the rest of the mocks.

BPo001 · 06-09-2023, 05:58 PM

I wonder if Gary Trent Jr could be had in a sign and trade with Toronto? I assume we can?t afford to sign him outright.

dirt_dobber · 06-10-2023, 03:55 AM

Heat desperately need more 3 point shooting - and have had interest in THJr.
for a long time now - who do we want back in trade? What do they have to offer?
We could trade Hardaway and Bertrans to take bake the Duncan (bad contract) but
I would rather have a couple of their young guys thrown in - Jovic a forward or Yurtseven a center.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-10-2023, 07:48 AM

Keep an eye on Coulibaly. His stock is through the roof right now and he defends. You know the Mavs aren't shy about taking a foreign guy with upside.

SMC0007 · 06-10-2023, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Keep an eye on Coulibaly. His stock is through the roof right now and he defends. You know the Mavs aren't shy about taking a foreign guy with upside.

Having him and Josh on the floor at the same time would be solid defensively. Tons of hustle. Even rotating those 2 would always have ball pressure and hustle. That's a lot of athleticism we have lacked for a while.

EricaLubarsky · 06-10-2023, 12:44 PM

Bilal could be great but he?s like 2-4 years from starting.

I?m all for BPA and planting seeds for the future and when he arrived he could be Siakam for one #10 pick vs 2-4 FRPs. I?m just not sure he fits the timeline.

Then again, rumors are that if Kyrie walks, Luka will ask out. In that case, we rebuild around Hardy, Green, and some young development guys

SMC0007 · 06-10-2023, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Bilal could be great but he?s like 2-4 years from starting.

I?m all for BPA and planting seeds for the future and when he arrived he could be Siakam for one #10 pick vs 2-4 FRPs. I?m just not sure he fits the timeline.

Then again, rumors are that if Kyrie walks, Luka will ask out. In that case, we rebuild around Hardy, Green, and some young development guys

The same folks that suggest Luka asks out if Kyrie walks are probably the ones who think Bilal is 4 years from starting.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-10-2023, 02:38 PM

People way overblow this "we need to please Luka now" stuff. Never seen a single indication that Luka wants out under any circumstance.

If Bilal is the future OG, then that's better than giving up all your assets to get today's OG.

rimrocker · 06-11-2023, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

People way overblow this "we need to please Luka now" stuff. Never seen a single indication that Luka wants out under any circumstance.

If Bilal is the future OG, then that's better than giving up all your assets to get today's OG.

The way I see it, we have 3 major needs and maybe 2 realistic trade assets to upgrade.
OG would definitely fill one of those needs, but we'd have nothing left to address what I think is our greatest need....Center.

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I really think we'd be better off moving on from Kyrie because his presence creates as many problems as it solves imo.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2023, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

The way I see it, we have 3 major needs and maybe 2 realistic trade assets to upgrade.
OG would definitely fill one of those needs, but we'd have nothing left to address what I think is our greatest need....Center.

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I really think we'd be better off moving on from Kyrie because his presence creates as many problems as it solves imo.

Yep, and the FO put them in this position.

Like, it still boggles my mind that we had to take on Bertans and give up a second just to get rid of KP.

So if some of these rumors of dumping salary attached to the 10th pick are real, then we're screwed.

It would be the current version of Mark Cuban not to want to pay the 10th pick. We shall see...

SMC0007 · 06-11-2023, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

The way I see it, we have 3 major needs and maybe 2 realistic trade assets to upgrade.
OG would definitely fill one of those needs, but we'd have nothing left to address what I think is our greatest need....Center.

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I really think we'd be better off moving on from Kyrie because his presence creates as many problems as it solves imo.

I'm not married to Kyrie either, if we can recoup the loss and get good return to fill our needs.

dirt_dobber · 06-11-2023, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'm not married to Kyrie either, if we can recoup the loss and get good return to fill our needs.

Same. I'll take Ayton + a pick or player added.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2023, 01:17 PM

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Same. I'll take Ayton + a pick or player added.

I'm not for Ayton, but we need a center so badly that we'd have to consider it.

That's why it cracks me up seeing fans on twitter saying we should trade Luka if we trying to get KAT like Powell hasn't been our starting center.

Dallas41 · 06-12-2023, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

People way overblow this "we need to please Luka now" stuff. Never seen a single indication that Luka wants out under any circumstance.

If Bilal is the future OG, then that's better than giving up all your assets to get today's OG.

Your right no one has seen Luka specifically say he wants out

But there are several nba media heads throwing it out there and usually where there's smoke there's a fire shortly to follow.

I personally wouldn't take a chance on upsetting Luka because we don't know what he'll do if he thinks this team isn't capable of competing next year

BREAKING: NBA Executives believes that if the Mavs fail to bring back Kyrie Irving or sign a key free agent, Luka Don?ic will request a trade to a competitive franchise.

(via. HotHoops)