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Male30Dan · 06-26-2007, 11:20 PM

Keep in mind also Dub... The spurs don't win back to back titles - it is impossible for them. They don't even make back to back finals appearances. Mavs/Suns win it next year. If this trade goes down it is the Suns barring injury. It still might be without this trade.

chumdawg · 06-26-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DubOverdose

Sad thing is, Spurs can still probably beat the Suns in 6 if this trade goes thru.

The first thing the Suns do if this deal goes down is find a taker for Diaw. The scary this is that they can still improve their team even after this deal.

Male30Dan · 06-26-2007, 11:22 PM

Hell they can DRASTICALLY improve their team still. They haven't touched the MLE and guys like Hill/Webber will be lining up for the league minimum.

chumdawg · 06-26-2007, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Male26Dan

Hell they can DRASTICALLY improve their team still. They haven't touched the MLE and guys like Hill/Webber will be lining up for the league minimum.

Why did you find it necessary to walk on my grave?

My goodness. There is no way this trade happens, is there?

Windmill360 · 06-26-2007, 11:25 PM

Talk about eyes on the prize.

I wish we had our eyes on the prize.

pickupyonuts · 06-26-2007, 11:25 PM

...chelsea can be beat in football

purplefrog · 06-26-2007, 11:25 PM

If I'm Marion can't see why I would want this trade. There is no one at the 5 spot, no first rate PG to run the offense.... I would be asking myself why am I here? Is it just to get away from Nash and Amare? Seems pretty foolish, but then again Joe Johnson made a similar decision when he chose Atlanta. Maybe he should call Joe first and ask him how it was all working out.

rabbitproof · 06-26-2007, 11:26 PM

Pretty fair trade.. I would PHX earns rapeage points for getting a former MVP for basically a guy they're looking to trade and picks. Minn has a mini-Chicago Bulls rebuilding starers' kit.

Boston gets the short end of the stick but makes out decently enough.

Let's hope Marion say no deal.

RingTheBell · 06-26-2007, 11:27 PM

Marion says "YES" to money!!!

DubOverdose · 06-26-2007, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Male26Dan

Keep in mind also Dub... The spurs don't win back to back titles - it is impossible for them. They don't even make back to back finals appearances. Mavs/Suns win it next year. If this trade goes down it is the Suns barring injury. It still might be without this trade.

I never pegged the Spurs as winning it all. I don't know where you got that from. I also never pegged them as making the Finals. I firmly believe that Mavs and Suns will have the top 2 records in the league, with the Spurs possibly having the 4th best (accounting for fewer minutes for Duncan again). This would have the two teams facing in the semi-finals. The winner of which would play the Mavs/whoever beat us.

ballin_boi · 06-26-2007, 11:29 PM

Three words if this goes down...

WE ARE SCREWED!

Male30Dan · 06-26-2007, 11:29 PM

I think they honestly have the potential to win the next 3 titles if Nash can hold it together that long, KG doesn't start breaking down, and Amare's knee holds up. This team is going to be REALLY, REALLY good. Name a weakness...

Passing - you better believe it, (oh by the way, KG is one of the best passing big men in the league)
Shooting - Um, yeah... They have Nash and Bell in the starting lineup alone with Barbosa on the bench.
Defense - They just got one of the leagues best defenders and rebounders in KG. Bell is a very good defensive SG and Amare with KG helping will do enough. They are much much better than a couple of years ago.
Running - Nuff said...
Half-Court - Two STUD post players with one of the best passers in the history of the game

This team is, again, going to be GOOD.

Male30Dan · 06-26-2007, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DubOverdose

I never pegged the Spurs as winning it all. I don't know where you got that from. I also never pegged them as making the Finals. I firmly believe that Mavs and Suns will have the top 2 records in the league, with the Spurs possibly having the 4th best (accounting for fewer minutes for Duncan again). This would have the two teams facing in the semi-finals. The winner of which would play the Mavs/whoever beat us.

You should write a book about dreams because you are damn good at dreaming!

RingTheBell · 06-26-2007, 11:33 PM

Suns talking to Cats about getting No. 8 pick

By Andy Katz
ESPN.com

Updated: June 27, 2007, 12:03 AM ET

The Phoenix Suns are discussing a trade with the Charlotte Bobcats for the No. 8 pick to get into the NBA draft lottery, multiple sources close to both organizations told ESPN.com Tuesday night.

Although Phoenix forward Shawn Marion can opt out of his contract at the end of next season, a source close to the Suns told ESPN.com that he is not part of a deal and is expected to stay put.

The source indicated that role players were involved in the proposed trade, but at least one other team besides Phoenix and Charlotte is also involved, making the deal difficult to pull off.

The Suns currently own picks No. 24 and 29 in the first round while Charlotte has Nos. 8 and 21. Phoenix convinced the agents for likely lottery players Corey Brewer and Joakim Noah of Florida, Jeff Green of Georgetown and Brandan Wright of North Carolina to work out for the Suns because they felt confident they could get into the top 10.

The Suns also invited Celtics executive director of basketball operations Danny Ainge and coach Doc Rivers to watch the workouts in Phoenix. The Celtics and Suns both told ESPN.com, however, that Boston was there to watch the workout, not to discuss a trade. Both said the Celtics and Suns aren't trade partners for the Celtics' No. 5 pick.

The Celtics could throw a curveball at the rest of the lottery. They are working out USC junior guard Nick Young on Wednesday morning at their practice facility in Waltham.

Young, who has been projected by most NBA personnel to go as high as No. 13 to New Orleans, is a personal favorite of Celtics' assistant general manager Leo Papile. Papile wants Ainge and Rivers to see Young before Thursday's draft and decide if he is a viable alternative for the Celtics at No. 5 if the team decides against going with China's Yi Jianlian. Young, considered one of the top shooting guards in the draft, could displace Green, Noah or Brewer as the Celtics' Plan B.

A surprise Young selection that high in the draft would obviously change the entire complexion of the lottery.

DelNegro · 06-26-2007, 11:34 PM

Boston gets ass-raped in that deal. Not saying they won't do it because we are talking about Danny Ainge here, but it's not a good deal for Boston at all.

jthig32 · 06-26-2007, 11:34 PM

This trade makes the Suns better, obviously, but I think it means more to the Spurs than us. This gives them the tool they need to try and compete with the Spurs.

Again us, Garnett instead of Marion makes a difference, but not the kind of difference some people are saying it is. They get slightly better defense, although I would argue that Garnett is not nearly as adept at guarding Dirk as Marion is, and they get someone else who can create his own shot, but I'm not sure offense is really the problem when Phoenix plays us.

I think Phoenix would be the favorite for the title with this trade (which I would bet is still less than 50/50 to happen at this point), but I'm not sure I'd be giving them three titles or anything remotely close to that. Phoenix has beaten one good team in the playoffs the past three seasons. One. I'm not sure Garnett instead of Marion means they're going to streamroll now.

Windmill360 · 06-26-2007, 11:35 PM

Man, I love this offseason; even if the mavs are dead right now.

DubOverdose · 06-26-2007, 11:36 PM

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You should write a book about dreams because you are damn good at dreaming!

And you're shitting your pants about a rumor. Sure, the team looks good on paper, but we all know many teams that appear great on paper aren't actually that great. Was Detroit better than the Lakers on paper? Heat better than the Mavs? Warriors better than Mavs? Some random international teams v. Team USA? By your estimations, I'd assume you think the Clippers are going to dominate the league. They have a damn good player at every position. Oh yeah, I forgot, they didn't even make the playoffs. There's a reason NBA games are played on hardwood and not paper.

pickupyonuts · 06-26-2007, 11:39 PM

mavs are overrated on paper.

purplefrog · 06-26-2007, 11:40 PM

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Marion says "YES" to money!!!

Yeah, and if I'm not mistaken he will still get paid a bundle by saying no to this deal. Even if the fans hate him and D'Antoni benches him, he still gets paid. I really think he has the last word on this. In the end he may still bolt because he feels he's not getting enough of the limelight in Phoenix. Like I said, JJ made that decision. But it is going to take a whole lot more than Shawn Marion to transform this Celtics team into a contender imo.

DubOverdose · 06-26-2007, 11:41 PM

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mavs are overrated on paper.

Actually we aren't very good on paper. When we lost Nash, 90% of analysts and fans thought we'd miss the playoffs, and our roster is basically the same as it was then. Sure it looks better now that we've won, but the same thing happened with the Spurs. Both teams were considered weak on paper, but when they started winning a lot of games, the perception magically changed.

RingTheBell · 06-26-2007, 11:41 PM

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But it is going to take a whole lot more than Shawn Marion to transform this Celtics team into a contender imo.

After watching THE CAVS make it to the finals you said this with a strait face?

Flacolaco · 06-26-2007, 11:42 PM

Earliest Mavs playoff prediction ever: A 3 or a 4 seed with a matchup with Houston, or Denver

Windmill360 · 06-26-2007, 11:43 PM

How are we going to guard Amare AND kg? How?!

Good thing this isn't happening.

Chicken Diavlo · 06-26-2007, 11:44 PM

So... time to pursue Mr. Bryant?

DubOverdose · 06-26-2007, 11:45 PM

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How are we going to guard Amare AND kg? How?!

Good thing this isn't happening.

Well the Spurs have Duncan, Oberto, and Elson to throw at them. KG has never been a Mav killer, so we'd still have the same trouble with the Suns and that's matching up with Amare.

RingTheBell · 06-26-2007, 11:48 PM

Just as important as KG comming to the suns, this trade makes Phx a top choice for aging vets ie Webber, Hill.

I think this trade gives the Suns a pretty good bench also.

rakesh.s · 06-26-2007, 11:48 PM

how does this *help* the suns? Sure they add a ton of talent, but if you think about it, Marion was giving them 20,10,2 stls, 2 bpg. Is Garnett going to give them that? Garnett is not half the defender that Marion is.

He might help them on the boards, but that's it. Phoenix is starting to look like Mavs '03.

Windmill360 · 06-26-2007, 11:48 PM

Orberto opted out too!

Male30Dan · 06-26-2007, 11:48 PM

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And you're shitting your pants about a rumor. Sure, the team looks good on paper, but we all know many teams that appear great on paper aren't actually that great. Was Detroit better than the Lakers on paper? Heat better than the Mavs? Warriors better than Mavs? Some random international teams v. Team USA? By your estimations, I'd assume you think the Clippers are going to dominate the league. They have a damn good player at every position. Oh yeah, I forgot, they didn't even make the playoffs. There's a reason NBA games are played on hardwood and not paper.

Um... Remember dub - you are subtracting ONLY Marion from a team that was already pretty outstanding and adding Garnett. This isn't a newly remade team here. Then you are ultimately adding Grant Hill and any other vet that wants in on the ride. Sure, call it shitting my pants for a rumor if you would like slick, but if the trade goes down you better believe you will be shitting yours.

Oh and thiggy, keep telling yourself that they only get marginally better with this trade. KG was efficient as HELL and that was on a team full of junk. Now he has a two time MVP passing to him with Amare to prevent double-teams. Imagine KG NOT getting double-teamed. Yeah, marginally better. Marginally my ass.

Male30Dan · 06-26-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RingTheBell

After watching THE CAVS make it to the finals you said this with a strait face?

Exactly.

Male30Dan · 06-26-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicken Diavlo

So... time to pursue Mr. Bryant?

If the trade happens, God I hope so.

Flacolaco · 06-26-2007, 11:50 PM

This was sure a fast #112 posts.....

depressing posts.

RingTheBell · 06-26-2007, 11:51 PM

You have to send help in the paint with Amare and KG roaming. They kick the ball out and you have the best shooters in the leage setting up a tent on the 3 point line.

DubOverdose · 06-26-2007, 11:51 PM

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Um... Remember dub - you are subtracting ONLY Marion from a team that was already pretty outstanding and adding Garnett. This isn't a newly remade team here. Then you are ultimately adding Grant Hill and any other vet that wants in on the ride. Sure, call it shitting my pants for a rumor if you would like slick, but if the trade goes down you better believe you will be shitting yours.

Oh and thiggy, keep telling yourself that they only get marginally better with this trade. KG was efficient as HELL and that was on a team full of junk. Now he has a two time MVP passing to him with Amare to prevent double-teams. Imagine KG NOT getting double-teamed. Yeah, marginally better. Marginally my ass.

Oh man, I'm soooooo worried about KG in the playoffs. He's such a beast. I mean...he's gotten out of the first round once!!! WOW!!!

DubOverdose · 06-26-2007, 11:52 PM

This is like TMac and Yao. Together they were supposed to be unstoppable, yet they can't advance in the playoffs. Superstars don't equal playoff success.

RingTheBell · 06-26-2007, 11:52 PM

This trade might force Bryant to demand a trade. They sure the hell arnt making the playoffs next year in the west.

I think the only other logical place would be Dallas...

Male30Dan · 06-26-2007, 11:53 PM

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Well the Spurs have Duncan, Oberto, and Elson to throw at them. KG has never been a Mav killer, so we'd still have the same trouble with the Suns and that's matching up with Amare.

BUT WHEN WE PLAYED THE DAMN TIMBERWOLVES THEY DIDN'T ALSO HAVE STEVE FUCKING NASH AND AMARE... That is the point you are missing. KG is just one of the SUPERSTARS on this team, not the lone superstar fighting constant double-teams. Imagine throwing the ball into KG and letting the guy guarding Nash have to choose whether or not to double-down and leave Nash open for 3 or stay with Nash to leave KG one-on-one. Now, lets assume Nash's defender stays with Nash - then the guy across from Amare has the same decision. If he leaves, the great passing KG finds Amare cutting in for a dunk. If he stays, well, like I said, a lot of one-on-one for a guy that puts up 22 and 13 while being regularly guarded by two guys.

Bottom line, you are comparing apples to fucking peanuts. You didn't even stay in the same food group.

DubOverdose · 06-26-2007, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RingTheBell

This trade might force Bryant to demand a trade. They sure the hell arnt making the playoffs next year in the west.

I think the only other logical place would be Dallas...

So what team that didn't make it last year is going to knock the Lakers out? Blazers? I don't see how this rumored trade kicks the Lakers out of the playoffs...sorry.

RingTheBell · 06-26-2007, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DubOverdose

This is like TMac and Yao. Together they were supposed to be unstoppable, yet they can't advance in the playoffs. Superstars don't equal playoff success.

You are comparing TMac and Yao to 3 - 1st Team all NBA?