McCants/Von Wafer workouts - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

sefant77 · 02-20-2010, 10:52 AM

Guess Mavs are looking for bench scoring of players bigger than 6-2.

There we miss TT right now too.

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Von Wafer went through a workout for the Mavericks on Friday but management wasn't divulging any news about the workout. There may have been other players going through the drills, but Wafer, the former Rocket, was the only one whose identity was known for sure. Fort Worth Star-Telegram

The second player, according to a league source, was Rashad McCants. Not sure how either he or Von Wafer looked, but there's no signings imminent, apparently. Fort Worth Star-Telegram

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-20-2010, 11:21 AM

Huh?

Mavericks Rockets Fan · 02-20-2010, 03:34 PM

Von Wafer? Von Wafer is essentially, a chucker. If his shots are going in he looks good otherwise he doesn't. Not so sure that we need him. I would rather our other players get those shots...

Btw, Houston was about to sign him. But he failed his physical! LOL...

tcat075 · 02-20-2010, 04:44 PM

I would take Von Wafer, for sure. I can't believe he's not with a team this year. He may be a chucker, but he was a 45%/39% chucker last year. That sounds pretty solid to me, for 5-10 minutes off the bench. Can he play defense?

Mavericks Rockets Fan · 02-20-2010, 05:11 PM

He is not that good of a defender. Also, he complained to Adelman about playing time (during a playoff game!). Still a bit immature, but does provide a offensive spark off the bench...

CadBane · 02-20-2010, 05:14 PM

I would definitely take Von Wafer over McCan'ts

Wafer had clutch baskets last year.

filmav · 02-21-2010, 05:29 AM

Wafer has an edge in him. A Matt Barnes Edge which can however go sour just as fast as it can kick ass. A player who can give clutch shots in the few minutes he gets played. The problem is I don't see Carlisle making good use of him. He isn't the type of coach who would give back of the bench players time to provide some sizzle at needed situations. Otherwise, "Le Blur" would be playing right now.
I think Stevenson could provide that same edge already, and probably a better defender.

McCants no doubt is talent. How he fits in is question mark. I think we need forwards instead. Lets wait for the waiver wire.

pkdumas · 02-21-2010, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by filmav

I think we need forwards instead.

We need C's and PG's.

SMC0007 · 02-21-2010, 11:32 AM

His name is mc CANTS. That should tell you something.

RareMilk · 02-21-2010, 11:45 AM

Kind of relating but I just realized without Damp and Tim Thomas our backup "big" is Najera and he isn't that big. He has been hustling the past games playing the passing lanes and interrupting plays but you can't expect him to be this efficient he is a 3rd string forward and we have him playing at center because of the circumstances but I really feel like another forward or center would do the Mavs justice instead of a guard

badfish22 · 02-21-2010, 09:46 PM

RashadMcCants: Dallas to sign von wafer!

mavs777 · 02-21-2010, 10:20 PM

Wafer is a good defensive player when motivated problem is he rarely is. But he is a good 2 guard off the bench who is relentless going to basket and has a nice three point stroke.

http://twitter.com/vonwafer13/status/9418144088

i will b signing a 10 day next week cant say with which team i will let them tell the world when there ready

Rick41 · 02-21-2010, 10:39 PM

The mavs are going to sign Von Wafer... info via facebook.

No link yet.

dmavs1980 · 02-21-2010, 11:04 PM

link
http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=2616

fluid.forty.one · 02-21-2010, 11:17 PM

That doesn't seem to fix our PG problem at all.

mavsfan1000 · 02-21-2010, 11:19 PM

Terry at point guard/Wafer at SG. Not saying that is a great move but it is better than Barea at point guard/Terry at SG.

fluid.forty.one · 02-21-2010, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Terry at point guard/Wafer at SG. Not saying that is a great move but it is better than Barea at point guard/Terry at SG.

If Wafer turns in performances towards the higher end of his potential, that's really not a bad point. It's not like Terry is any "less" of a PG than Barea.

badfish22 · 02-21-2010, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

If Wafer turns in performances towards the higher end of his potential, that's really not a bad point. It's not like Terry is any "less" of a PG than Barea.

Exactly. Frustrating that we play JJB or play Kidd 40+ minutes when Terry can play point better than JJB can.

TheBlueVan · 02-21-2010, 11:41 PM

I like the move, and I definitely think there's a chance we see Terry moving back to PG

The thing that worries me about this is Wafer's back, but I gotta think that Donnie/RC know we need someone who can contribute now, and we're not just going to give a contract to someone that can't play

Dirkadirkastan · 02-21-2010, 11:51 PM

Oh, the other guy Hollins taunted last year.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 02-22-2010, 12:01 AM

It's going to be interesting to see next years lineup. Depending on how Wafer plays he could beat out an old washed up JET as the backup 2, and Roddy will be the backup pg. I wonder if Terry is going to have a place on this team.

grndmstr_c · 02-22-2010, 12:20 AM

Two nights ago JET scored 10 points on 6 shots, and had 3 rebounds and 2 assists in the fourth quarter, not to mention played through the entirety of the 19-0 run that spanned the third and fourth quarters and gave the Mavs a comeback victory on the road against the Orlando Magic. Today he's old and washed up and is going to lose his spot in the rotation to a guy who's been out of the league all season. Tough crowd, I guess.

That said, I like that the Mavs are taking a stab at addressing their backcourt depth by bringing in a scoring SG. It's a low-risk best-available-player strategy that's easy to justify on account of the lack of good options at backup pg in the free-agent market, and the fact that Dallas already has a surplus of pg-sized players on their roster.

xrobx · 02-22-2010, 12:23 AM

we don't need this guy, we have jet jj and roddy on the team, and i know they might suck from time to time but at least they're semi-decent options. what we really need to address is that we only have one real center on the team

mavsfan1000 · 02-22-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by xrobx

we don't need this guy, we have jet jj and roddy on the team, and i know they might suck from time to time but at least they're semi-decent options. what we really need to address is that we only have one real center on the team

Sadly Najera is less of a liability at center than Barea is as a backup point guard. Of course that could change quick but Najera has been fine the last 2 games. No doubt it will be awesome to have Damp back though.

xrobx · 02-22-2010, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Sadly Najera is less of a liability at center than Barea is as a backup point guard. Of course that could change quick but Najera has been fine the last 2 games. No doubt it will be awesome to have Damp back though.

i also forgot about the new guy stevenson, another backup guard option.

when damp comes back all should be right with the world, but who knows when or even IF he is coming back.

i don't even see how von wafer would get playing time

dude1394 · 02-22-2010, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by xrobx

i also forgot about the new guy stevenson, another backup guard option.

when damp comes back all should be right with the world, but who knows when or even IF he is coming back.

i don't even see how von wafer would get playing time

Anything to get carroll out of a uniform..

LonghornDub · 02-22-2010, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by xrobx

we don't need this guy, we have jet jj and roddy on the team, and i know they might suck from time to time but at least they're semi-decent options. what we really need to address is that we only have one real center on the team

The Mavs can't be wasting time and money trying to sign another center (there's not even anyone available) just because they "only" have one currently while the other one is hurt.

dude1394 · 02-22-2010, 01:42 AM

I expect they are waiting to see what happens. If Z isn't going back to cleveland do you want him? But a 10 day contract seems to make some sense to me.

mavs777 · 02-22-2010, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I expect they are waiting to see what happens. If Z isn't going back to cleveland do you want him? But a 10 day contract seems to make some sense to me.

Expect it to be for at least the rest of the year, rumor is the only reason is it only a 10 day contract is they are making sure he is healthy going forward (he has a sore back)

grndmstr_c · 02-22-2010, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by xrobx

we don't need this guy, we have jet jj and roddy on the team, and i know they might suck from time to time but at least they're semi-decent options. what we really need to address is that we only have one real center on the team

1 guard + 1 PF/C = 2 players
# of open roster spots in Dallas = 2
# of centers on the free agent market right now who are worth a contract = 0
# of reasons to gripe about Dallas signing a guard before they sign a center = 0

quietsavant · 02-22-2010, 03:03 AM

FO is surrounding kidd with athletes and putting him in position to utilize his abilities. Gotta give them credit.

Here's the kid's game log last season

dude1394 · 02-22-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Expect it to be for at least the rest of the year, rumor is the only reason is it only a 10 day contract is they are making sure he is healthy going forward (he has a sore back)

My bad...I was thinking a 10 day contract for a center makes sense. I can see not pulling the trigger in panic but waiting almost a month seems kinda silly also.

Dirkenstien · 02-22-2010, 10:41 AM

Yeah when I first heard the name didn't think much of it but after reading a little more about him and watching some highlights I really like this signing. He's a fiery personality and it looks like he loves to drive and force the action which we could use more of.

LonghornDub · 02-22-2010, 12:19 PM

He hit some big 3's for Houston last year. I'd love to see him and TT get 5-10 minutes each in the playoffs when we're having trouble from outside.

saclare · 02-22-2010, 12:21 PM

Von is a good option when healthy. I like this move if he can keep a straight head.

AO41 · 02-22-2010, 03:08 PM

seems to me like a really good pick up

AO41 · 02-22-2010, 03:09 PM

and we really have some toughness and attitude on the team now with TT, Stevenson, Von, and even Butler

Kidd Karma · 02-22-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

He hit some big 3's for Houston last year. I'd love to see him and TT get 5-10 minutes each in the playoffs when we're having trouble from outside.

I would not count on seeing guys 10-15 on a regular basis in the playoffs. Usually the rotations are shortened and generally coaches don't make adjustments for one game, thinking it's a one game slump. I would not mind seeing additional rotation guys just to screw with opponents scouting reports.

Kante · 02-22-2010, 03:55 PM

I´m not sure if i should like this Signing... i don´t right now!

LonghornDub · 02-22-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

I would not count on seeing guys 10-15 on a regular basis in the playoffs. Usually the rotations are shortened and generally coaches don't make adjustments for one game, thinking it's a one game slump. I would not mind seeing additional rotation guys just to screw with opponents scouting reports.

Unless we get Gooden back, I don't think either TT or Von Wafer is "guy 10-15."

And, without sounding too snarky, I am well aware that the playoffs tend to entail shortened rotations.