09-08-2020, 08:59 PM
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The Bucks remind me of late 2000s Mavs teams except for one crucial thing...Dirk was a shooter and scorer. Giannis just isn't that. Giannis is perhaps the best all-around player in NBA history, but he doesn't do the one thing you HAVE to do well. Shooting.
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09-09-2020, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
The Bucks remind me of late 2000s Mavs teams except for one crucial thing...Dirk was a shooter and scorer. Giannis just isn't that. Giannis is perhaps the best all-around player in NBA history, but he doesn't do the one thing you HAVE to do well. Shooting.
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Dirk got easier/cheaper baskets with his shooting. Giannis has to work hard to get his and that is apparently not sustainable in the playoffs.
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09-09-2020, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SMC0007
Dirk got easier/cheaper baskets with his shooting. Giannis has to work hard to get his and that is apparently not sustainable in the playoffs.
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Yup. The Bucks have tried to build a team of shooters around Giannis. Ironically this means their best player can't shoot threes, but they're a "live by the 3, die by the 3" team. In the playoffs when defenses turn up a notch and players are getting exhausted it's just not sustainable. What they need is another playmaker either out of the post or on the perimeter who can add a different dimension to their team.
It's the same reason we will not be successful (especially if Porzingis is more perimeter-oriented than a presence in the post) unless we find another consistent perimeter playmaker. I like Jalen Brunson a lot, but am not convinced he's that guy.
EDIT: If we get to 18 and our choices are a "sure thing" 3&D wing like Saddiq Bey, or a high-upside penetrator like Kira Lewis, I take Kira Lewis 10 times out of 10.
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09-09-2020, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tap2390
Yup. The Bucks have tried to build a team of shooters around Giannis. Ironically this means their best player can't shoot threes, but they're a "live by the 3, die by the 3" team. In the playoffs when defenses turn up a notch and players are getting exhausted it's just not sustainable. What they need is another playmaker either out of the post or on the perimeter who can add a different dimension to their team.
It's the same reason we will not be successful (especially if Porzingis is more perimeter-oriented than a presence in the post) unless we find another consistent perimeter playmaker. I like Jalen Brunson a lot, but am not convinced he's that guy.
EDIT: If we get to 18 and our choices are a "sure thing" 3&D wing like Saddiq Bey, or a high-upside penetrator like Kira Lewis, I take Kira Lewis 10 times out of 10.
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Maybe we have that guy in Burke already. I'm not sold on getting another undersized guard until we know whats up with him. It seems like we would be better off with the best 2 way player available. That said, I don't put my faith building around Luka in ANY draft picks in our range. He is too far advanced to be tooling around with kids and I don't want to press our luck praying he is going to be as loyal as Dirk.
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09-09-2020, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SMC0007
Maybe we have that guy in Burke already. I'm not sold on getting another undersized guard until we know whats up with him. It seems like we would be better off with the best 2 way player available. That said, I don't put my faith in building around Luka in ANY draft picks in our range. He is too far advanced to be tooling around with kids and I don't want to press our luck praying he is going to be as loyal as Dirk.
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I see this take on it. We already have too many mediocre guards and need an upgrade at wing.
Brunson averaged 7.2 drives per game in 18 mpg (a pretty high rate), and was actually more efficient in those drives than Luka.
I still think, at the end of the day, that what we need to do is consolidate our guard minutes into one all-around player who is a clear second fiddle to Luka on the perimeter. Right now it takes us too much time to figure who is "on" in games, and we're too reliant on three point shots. I think until we find that person we are going to be coming up short in the playoffs.
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09-09-2020, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tap2390
I see this take on it. We already have too many mediocre guards and need an upgrade at wing.
Brunson averaged 7.2 drives per game in 18 mpg (a pretty high rate), and was actually more efficient in those drives than Luka.
I still think, at the end of the day, that what we need to do is consolidate our guard minutes into one all-around player who is a clear second fiddle to Luka on the perimeter. Right now it takes us too much time to figure who is "on" in games, and we're too reliant on three point shots. I think until we find that person we are going to be coming up short in the playoffs.
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Agreed
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09-10-2020, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tap2390
Yup. The Bucks have tried to build a team of shooters around Giannis. Ironically this means their best player can't shoot threes, but they're a "live by the 3, die by the 3" team. In the playoffs when defenses turn up a notch and players are getting exhausted it's just not sustainable. What they need is another playmaker either out of the post or on the perimeter who can add a different dimension to their team.
It's the same reason we will not be successful (especially if Porzingis is more perimeter-oriented than a presence in the post) unless we find another consistent perimeter playmaker. I like Jalen Brunson a lot, but am not convinced he's that guy.
EDIT: If we get to 18 and our choices are a "sure thing" 3&D wing like Saddiq Bey, or a high-upside penetrator like Kira Lewis, I take Kira Lewis 10 times out of 10.
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I see it kinda like the Cowboys with CeeDee Lamb. If you have the guy on the board that isn’t the biggest “need” but he is a tier above your “need” pick, then take CeeDee all day. Can’t have too much talent. The positional scarcity of good 3-D wings should enter into the equation somewhat though. Heck we are debating whether to clear cap space to give Jerami Grant a huge overpay, who, while he is a nice player, he’s not exactly James Worthy or anything.
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