Dallas Mavericks And Cleveland Cavaliers Trade (And It Dont Look Bad!) - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

mavsfan4life · 12-03-2003, 02:01 AM

Dallas Trades: Shawn Bradley and Antione Walker
Dallas Recieves: Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Darius Miles

Cleveland Trades: Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Darius Miles
Cleveland Recieves: Shawn Bradley and Antione Walker

Mavericks Starting Lineup:
PG - Steve Nash
SG - Michael Finley
SF - Dirk Nowitzki
PF - Antawn Jamison
C - Zydrunas Ilgauskas
*More rebounds and NO MORE Shawn "Sadley" Bradley!

Cavaliers Starting Lineup
PG - LeBron James
SG - Ricky Davis
SF - Antione Walker
PF - Carlos Boozer
C - DeSagana Diop
*More shots for LeBron and more perimeter

Both teams will benefit, but the Mavs will come out with success!

P.S. For all those who are offended by what I have said about worthless Shawn Sadley, oops, I mean...Bradley, you can kiss my ass!

bingocasino · 12-03-2003, 02:20 AM

big z is even slower than bradley and why get rid of walker there is none other 6.9 player can handle the ball like him.

Simon2 · 12-03-2003, 09:16 AM

Any trade with Walker won't happen. If you change the trade for Jamison, Dallas loses a lot in talent. No trade.

bogey · 12-03-2003, 09:29 AM

I'd like to sue for wrongful titling of a thread. This looks bad to me.

kg_veteran · 12-03-2003, 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by: bogey
I'd like to sue for wrongful titling of a thread. This looks bad to me.

Cause No. 2003-001-1

BOGEY, INDIVIDUALLY,
AND AS REPRESENTATIVE OF
ALL MAVERICKS FANS,
Plaintiff

v.

MAVSFAN4LIFE,
Defendant

JUDGMENT

On this the 3rd day of December, 2003, came on to be heard the above-referenced cause. Having considered the pleadings and the evidence, the Court finds that, as a matter of law, this thread was wrongfully titled.

IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED, ADJUDGED, AND DECREED that Defendant Mavsfan4life is hereby permanently enjoined from opening new threads without the prior approval of a dallas-mavs.com moderator, who shall advise Defendant of the appropriateness and accuracy of the titling of said proposed threads. Failure to to obey this order shall be punishable by contempt sanctions, imprisonment, and, if the Court deems necessary, death.

SIGNED THE 3rd DAY OF DECEMBER, 2003.

kg_veteran_____________________
JUDGE PRESIDING

sike · 12-03-2003, 10:19 AM

wow not even a jury trial.....both judge and hangman....dont screw with that kind of power![img]i/expressions/moon.gif[/img]

Psychedelic Fuzz · 12-03-2003, 10:32 AM

It never ends.
I move that anyone suggesting a trade of walker for big Z (or any variation thereof) be tarred and feathered.

madape · 12-03-2003, 10:38 AM

Which Cavalier center would you most like to have (regardless of what it would take to aquire him)
1) Ilgauskas
2) Mihm
3) Diop

LRB · 12-03-2003, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by: kg_veteran

Quote:

Originally posted by: bogey
I'd like to sue for wrongful titling of a thread. This looks bad to me.

Cause No. 2003-001-1

BOGEY, INDIVIDUALLY,
AND AS REPRESENTATIVE OF
ALL MAVERICKS FANS,
Plaintiff

v.

MAVSFAN4LIFE,
Defendant

JUDGMENT

On this the 3rd day of December, 2003, came on to be heard the above-referenced cause. Having considered the pleadings and the evidence, the Court finds that, as a matter of law, this thread was wrongfully titled.

IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED, ADJUDGED, AND DECREED that Defendant Mavsfan4life is hereby permanently enjoined from opening new threads without the prior approval of a dallas-mavs.com moderator, who shall advise Defendant of the appropriateness and accuracy of the titling of said proposed threads. Failure to to obey this order shall be punishable by contempt sanctions, imprisonment, and, if the Court deems necessary, death.

SIGNED THE 3rd DAY OF DECEMBER, 2003.

kg_veteran_____________________
JUDGE PRESIDING

Good job overall KG, although I think you were a tad lenient. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

sike · 12-03-2003, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by: madape
Which Cavalier center would you most like to have (regardless of what it would take to aquire him)
1) Ilgauskas
2) Mihm
3) Diop

any one of 'em good?? any one of 'em really help to help us take a step forward?

kg_veteran · 12-03-2003, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by: madape
Which Cavalier center would you most like to have (regardless of what it would take to aquire him)
1) Ilgauskas
2) Mihm
3) Diop

Honestly? Mihm.

LRB · 12-03-2003, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by: kg_veteran

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Originally posted by: madape
Which Cavalier center would you most like to have (regardless of what it would take to aquire him)
1) Ilgauskas
2) Mihm
3) Diop

Honestly? Mihm.

Agree. Big Z is more like the Big IR. Diop is more of a project. Mihm has the best chance to step in and help us now. He's not great, so I wouldn't pay too much for him, but would I pay a Tony Delk, Eddie Najera, or a Potato. Hell yes!!! In a heart beat.

kingrex · 12-03-2003, 11:42 AM

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Agree. Big Z is more like the Big IR. Diop is more of a project. Mihm has the best chance to step in and help us now. He's not great, so I wouldn't pay too much for him, but would I pay a Tony Delk, Eddie Najera, or a Potato. Hell yes!!! In a heart beat.

You stole my thunder, but I will support your point instead.

Zarunas is injury-prone. I like his skills, but could be out for a whole year in any given year.

I prefer Mihm's upside. He won't be a top center in this league, but he has above average defensive skills and servicable offense. Plus, he could still improve in all these categories.

I wouldn't trade one of the Big 5 for any of these guys, either.

Dirkenstien · 12-03-2003, 11:57 AM

Im not even sure if Cleveland would do this. I dont like this trade poposal

LRB · 12-03-2003, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by: Dirkenstien
Im not even sure if Cleveland would do this. I dont like this trade poposal

LOL. A truely "brilliant" trade proposal, one which makes both teams worse simultaneously. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

bogey · 12-03-2003, 12:52 PM

I won? Sweet.....civil damages here I come!

LRB · 12-03-2003, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by: bogey
I won? Sweet.....civil damages here I come!

This should be a class action suit. Maybe we can hire one of the lawyers who did the Big Tabacco suit.

kg_veteran · 12-03-2003, 02:10 PM

Rule No. 1 of Civil Lawsuits: Is there a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?

In this case, I'm thinking our friend mavsfan4life is "judgment proof".

LRB · 12-03-2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by: kg_veteran
Rule No. 1 of Civil Lawsuits: Is there a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?

In this case, I'm thinking our friend mavsfan4life is "judgment proof".

So can we jsut sue Bill Gates in his stead? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Walkerforthree · 12-03-2003, 02:50 PM

BS about the injury LRB. Big Z has played in 99 of the last 100 games! None of the Big 3 can say that. Big z played all 82 his rookie year! He had two very injury prone years. It appears he is over that now, so no reason to believe he'll be injured again. Since the surgey, one missed game in 100, 1!

Big Z is avg. 15.2 ppg and 7.2 rpg in only 32 mpg this year, and on 53% shooting. Oh, 2 blocks and 2 assist.

Would I love Big Z on this team? Hell yeah, you should
Do I do that trade? Nope

EricaLubarsky · 12-03-2003, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by: madape
Which Cavalier center would you most like to have (regardless of what it would take to aquire him)
1) Ilgauskas
2) Mihm
3) Diop

We could trade Fortson and Bradley for them and we would look like Sacramento last year except a lot less talented
Mihm is better than Pollard but Z isnt as talented (if you can use that word) as Vlade at Defense and Diop is more clueless than Clark....

[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

EricaLubarsky · 12-03-2003, 03:06 PM

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P.S. For all those who are offended by what I have said about worthless Shawn Sadley, oops, I mean...Bradley, you can kiss my ass!

excuse me? Im not a Bradley homer but both comments were just unnecessary

XERXES · 12-03-2003, 04:04 PM

Big Z hasn't been on the IR in almost 2 years. When will he lose the tag of being injury prone?

I'd love him here - but as I've written a hundred times CLeveland loves him and would want to rob you in exchange for him.

Give me Mihm or Ratliff (who scored virtually no points but pulled down 14 boards last night)...they'd fill a void.

LRB · 12-03-2003, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by: Walkerforthree
BS about the injury LRB. Big Z has played in 99 of the last 100 games! None of the Big 3 can say that. Big z played all 82 his rookie year! He had two very injury prone years. It appears he is over that now, so no reason to believe he'll be injured again. Since the surgey, one missed game in 100, 1!

Big Z is avg. 15.2 ppg and 7.2 rpg in only 32 mpg this year, and on 53% shooting. Oh, 2 blocks and 2 assist.

Would I love Big Z on this team? Hell yeah, you should
Do I do that trade? Nope

Sorry but you are the only one spreading BS about Big Z not being injury prone. The Big IR has missed 38.8% of his team's regular season games since entering the league. That's real bad. But it does get worse. Since you did point out that he played all 82 his rookie season. Since then he's missed 47.8% of his games. Sure he's been better for the last 1.25 seasons or so, but come on missing 166 games in less than 4.25 seasons isn't just injury prone, it's a walking ER. Besides Big Z's strength is on offense, not defense. It's not O that we need out of the 5, but D. Mihm gives us more there. And one hell of a lot less chance of spending 50% or more of the season on the IR.

uberfan · 12-03-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by: madape
Which Cavalier center would you most like to have (regardless of what it would take to aquire him)
1) Ilgauskas
2) Mihm
3) Diop

Give me two of them if you can find a way to do it without giving up the big 5 or Bradley.

1) Mihm because he can contriubte now. He takes the place of Raef from last year's squad while bringing a little more to this team.
2) Diop because he is the kind of project player we need on this team. He takes the place of Eschmeyer from last year.

For the Mavs, Ilgauskas just makes me go ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

LRB · 12-03-2003, 04:18 PM

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Big Z hasn't been on the IR in almost 2 years. When will he lose the tag of being injury prone?

How about proving that he can play an entire season without missing a game due to injury. Hasn't done that since his 1st bout of injuries. How about at least playing at least another year without an injury problem. Sorry but when you're hurt as much as and as long as he was you do not deserve to quickly lose the injury tag. Besides with his size, you'd worry about injuries w/o the history he has.

FilthyFinMavs · 12-03-2003, 05:02 PM

Give me Diop. I think his upside is similiar to what Curry will be however this guy may actually be a good rebounder and shot blocker in the future while Curry may not have those titles.

Bayliss · 12-03-2003, 05:41 PM

If the Mavs had a different coach... I'll take Diop. I think he is too raw offensively. He will never be a good scorer. But I see his career turning into a James Donalson type career. Or a Mark Eaton type career. A player that can start or come off the bench and rebound, play good defense, and intimidate on the defensive end. But never learn anything on offense.

Since we have the coach we have then I'll take Mihm. He can rebound, can the open jumper... and is less of a tweener than LaFrentz. While Mihm is a power forward... he actually likes playing close to the basket.

Walkerforthree · 12-03-2003, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by: LRB

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Big Z hasn't been on the IR in almost 2 years. When will he lose the tag of being injury prone?

How about proving that he can play an entire season without missing a game due to injury. Hasn't done that since his 1st bout of injuries. How about at least playing at least another year without an injury problem. Sorry but when you're hurt as much as and as long as he was you do not deserve to quickly lose the injury tag. Besides with his size, you'd worry about injuries w/o the history he has.

Uhh, he played all last year w/o injury, lol.

Walkerforthree · 12-03-2003, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by: LRB

Quote:

Originally posted by: Walkerforthree
BS about the injury LRB. Big Z has played in 99 of the last 100 games! None of the Big 3 can say that. Big z played all 82 his rookie year! He had two very injury prone years. It appears he is over that now, so no reason to believe he'll be injured again. Since the surgey, one missed game in 100, 1!

Big Z is avg. 15.2 ppg and 7.2 rpg in only 32 mpg this year, and on 53% shooting. Oh, 2 blocks and 2 assist.

Would I love Big Z on this team? Hell yeah, you should
Do I do that trade? Nope

Sorry but you are the only one spreading BS about Big Z not being injury prone. The Big IR has missed 38.8% of his team's regular season games since entering the league. That's real bad. But it does get worse. Since you did point out that he played all 82 his rookie season. Since then he's missed 47.8% of his games. Sure he's been better for the last 1.25 seasons or so, but come on missing 166 games in less than 4.25 seasons isn't just injury prone, it's a walking ER. Besides Big Z's strength is on offense, not defense. It's not O that we need out of the 5, but D. Mihm gives us more there. And one hell of a lot less chance of spending 50% or more of the season on the IR.

LMAO, yeah it looks great when you take percentages. Sure, ignore the fact SINCE HIS SURGERY, WHICH IS DONE TO HEAL CHRONIC INJURIES, he's missed 1 of 100 games. But right, keep thinking that's just a coincidence.

LRB · 12-03-2003, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by: Walkerforthree

Quote:

Originally posted by: LRB

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Big Z hasn't been on the IR in almost 2 years. When will he lose the tag of being injury prone?

How about proving that he can play an entire season without missing a game due to injury. Hasn't done that since his 1st bout of injuries. How about at least playing at least another year without an injury problem. Sorry but when you're hurt as much as and as long as he was you do not deserve to quickly lose the injury tag. Besides with his size, you'd worry about injuries w/o the history he has.

Uhh, he played all last year w/o injury, lol.

He only played 81 out of 82 games last year.

Walkerforthree · 12-03-2003, 08:03 PM

you said "injury problem" I don't think missing 1 of 82 games is a injury problem.

LRB · 12-03-2003, 08:39 PM

No but missint 165 or so in the 3 previous years is. Yeah he was realtively healthy in that he missed only once game. But it isn't long enough for me to belive that he won't have an injury shortened career because of the shear mass of games missed he's had over his brief career. So good season doesn't erase 2+ seasons worth of missed games.

Walkerforthree · 12-03-2003, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by: LRB
No but missint 165 or so in the 3 previous years is. Yeah he was realtively healthy in that he missed only once game. But it isn't long enough for me to belive that he won't have an injury shortened career because of the shear mass of games missed he's had over his brief career. So good season doesn't erase 2+ seasons worth of missed games.

last time im going to say it: The surgery fixed the injury, ergo he's been healthy since the surgery. Believe what you want now.

LRB · 12-03-2003, 09:04 PM

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last time im going to say it:

Promise? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]