Damp/Barea/Stevenson/Najera for Chris Kaman & Baron Davis - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

SeriousSummer · 05-07-2010, 02:22 PM

How about playing the Damp chip in a trade for Kaman & Davis? Damp/Stevenson/Barea/Najera works. Donald Sterling does what he does best--be cheap, but the Clippers still have a viable line up:

PG--Blake/Barea
SG--Gordon/Stevenson
SF--Outlaw, Rasual Butler (both resigned)
PF--Griffen, Najera
C--DeAndre Jordan

Mavs line up:

Guards--Kidd, Beaubois, Davis, Terry
Forwards--Dirk, Caron Butler, Marion
Center--Kaman, Haywood (resigned)

If you had to, you could replace Najera and Stevenson with Caron Butler in the deal and that works as well.

mac222b · 05-07-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SeriousSummer

How about playing the Damp chip in a trade for Kaman & Davis? Damp/Stevenson/Barea/Najera works. Donald Sterling does what he does best--be cheap, but the Clippers still have a viable line up:

PG--Blake/Barea
SG--Gordon/Stevenson
SF--Outlaw, Rasual Butler (both resigned)
PF--Griffen, Najera
C--DeAndre Jordan

Mavs line up:

Guards--Kidd, Beaubois, Davis, Terry
Forwards--Dirk, Caron Butler, Marion
Center--Kaman, Haywood (resigned)

If you had to, you could replace Najera and Stevenson with Caron Butler in the deal and that works as well.

chemistry-wise it would be a disaster. Haywood, Marion, Davis, Kaman, Kidd, Butler all would want to be starters

clutch#41 · 05-07-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SeriousSummer

How about playing the Damp chip in a trade for Kaman & Davis? Damp/Stevenson/Barea/Najera works. Donald Sterling does what he does best--be cheap, but the Clippers still have a viable line up:

PG--Blake/Barea
SG--Gordon/Stevenson
SF--Outlaw, Rasual Butler (both resigned)
PF--Griffen, Najera
C--DeAndre Jordan

Mavs line up:

Guards--Kidd, Beaubois, Davis, Terry
Forwards--Dirk, Caron Butler, Marion
Center--Kaman, Haywood (resigned)

If you had to, you could replace Najera and Stevenson with Caron Butler in the deal and that works as well.

Trade...BLOWS!!!! dont see anyway this would help the team and roddyB's development

Underdog · 05-07-2010, 02:34 PM

Rumor has it that Cuban said Baron Davis was a deal-breaker when the Clips pitched Kaman/Davis for Jason Kidd... Maybe he'd feel differently now that another year of Baron's contract is off the books? (or maybe he just didn't think replacing Kidd with Davis was the right direction to go...)

clutch#41 · 05-07-2010, 02:38 PM

i wouldnt want baron davis anyways.the mavs need to not go after washed up players and start going after younger talent.baron davis woulda been good 5 years ago!!!

SeriousSummer · 05-07-2010, 02:49 PM

Tough crowd. I thought this was almost too far slanted towards the Mavs to be credible.

The Mavs are only giving up junk and savings to get Kaman, so taking Baron Davis's salary is the penalty you pay. He comes off the bench and backs up both Beaubois and Kidd. I'd try to trade Terry and either Marion or Butler in another deal--and you wouldn't have to resign Haywood if you didn't like. Then, in the alternative deal, the Mavs are:

Guards: Kidd, Beaubois, Davis, Terry
Forward: Dirk, Najera, Marion, Stevenson
Center: Kaman, whoever the Mavs sign

Underdog · 05-07-2010, 02:54 PM

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He comes off the bench and backs up both Beaubois and Kidd.

Baron Davis is an egomaniac - no way he plays backup, especially not behind Beaubois...

Plus, I doubt Cuban wants to pay that much for a backup... Why not go after Agent Zero if we're pissing money away?

SeriousSummer · 05-07-2010, 03:15 PM

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Baron Davis is an egomaniac - no way he plays backup, especially not behind Beaubois...

Plus, I doubt Cuban wants to pay that much for a backup... Why not go after Agent Zero if we're pissing money away?

Because it isn't Davis the Mavs want. The Mavs want Kaman.

Washington doesn't have a center that is equivalent in quality to Kaman. Davis is who you have to take to get Kaman. It would be fine if Baron Davis got mad and refused to join the team. In fact, it would be more than fine because then Davis could be suspended and the Mavs wouldn't have to pay him.

Underdog · 05-07-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SeriousSummer

Because it isn't Davis the Mavs want. The Mavs want Kaman.

Washington doesn't have a center that is equivalent in quality to Kaman. Davis is who you have to take to get Kaman. It would be fine if Baron Davis got mad and refused to join the team. In fact, it would be more than fine because then Davis could be suspended and the Mavs wouldn't have to pay him.

Does Kaman put us over the top?

He's fairly injury-prone too...

mac222b · 05-07-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SeriousSummer

Tough crowd. I thought this was almost too far slanted towards the Mavs to be credible.

The Mavs are only giving up junk and savings to get Kaman, so taking Baron Davis's salary is the penalty you pay. He comes off the bench and backs up both Beaubois and Kidd. I'd try to trade Terry and either Marion or Butler in another deal--and you wouldn't have to resign Haywood if you didn't like. Then, in the alternative deal, the Mavs are:

Guards: Kidd, Beaubois, Davis, Terry
Forward: Dirk, Najera, Marion, Stevenson
Center: Kaman, whoever the Mavs sign

appreciate the ideas. would love to have Kaman's scoring in the low post. but i don't see Kidd&Baron co-existing or Baron as a back-up. as UD said too much ego. look at what happened when Haywood got jerked by Carlisle(awful player management by Carlisle again. he really did his best coaching when we had injuries and he had fewer ways to mess up the rotation. or had an excuse not to HAVE a rotation). Haywood sulked. and he's not even a "star".

SeriousSummer · 05-07-2010, 03:43 PM

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appreciate the ideas. would love to have Kaman's scoring in the low post. but i don't see Kidd&Baron co-existing or Baron as a back-up. as UD said too much ego. look at what happened when Haywood got jerked by Carlisle(awful player management by Carlisle again. he really did his best coaching when we had injuries and he had fewer ways to mess up the rotation. or had an excuse not to HAVE a rotation). Haywood sulked. and he's not even a "star".

That's a reasonable objection and may be enough reason not to do the deal. Still, the Mavs aren't likely to get the players they need without either giving up something of value, or taking back some negative value.

I don't see much in the way of value to add into a Dampier deal. You can throw in a 2012 No. 1 draft choice (or after this year's draft the 2011 No. 1 choice), but unless Dirk leaves, those draft choices are only about No. 20--maybe enough to go with Damp to New York for David Lee (who New York isn't going to resign, probably), if he's the guy you want.

I don't see Damp/Caron Butler (the best offer out of Terry, Marion or anyone else but Beaubois) fetching a difference maker back.

If you are willing to trade Beaubois, then maybe Joe Johnson is in range, but still not Wade, probably. But Damp, Caron Butler, Beaubois might be enough to get Joe Johnson, or just conceivable Wade, if he's leaving Miami anyway.

I think with anything else that you are looking at taking back a bad contract or a player with problems that mean his current team wants to dump him.

sefant77 · 05-07-2010, 10:11 PM

Cuban prefer to resign Haywood and Davis contract is still horrible, the worst after the one of Arenas, Lewis and Brand.

ghazi · 05-07-2010, 11:42 PM

I don't watch Kaman play much, but I find him massively overrated based on his stats

Point of low post scorer = EFFICIENCY.

But Kaman is hardly efficient!

Shot under 50% from the floor this year, got to the line 1 FTA for every 4 FGA, and is generally very turnover prone.

I'm not sure this guys much better than Haywood, if at all. He'll give you more points, but may arguably make the offense worse because it doesn't come in an efficient manner.

Again, this is just based on the stats. Could be an upgrade, but not a huge difference maker.

Zki41 · 05-07-2010, 11:59 PM

Neither of those players is a 2 guard. This trade doesn't help us very much for two reasons:

1) This trade would cause drama between Kaman and Haywood similar to how drama was created between Haywood and Dampier. It's not necessarily the players, but it's how Carlisle chooses the rotations. Kaman is an upgrade over Haywood, but it comes at a huge price and it is not necessarily a spot we need to upgrade. Yeah, it would be nice to have a strong finishing center, but I think we just are not giving Haywood enough touches or going to him enough which is why people may feel it is a problem. None of our centers get very many shots per game.

2) Also, we would be paying huge money for Baron Davis to do what Roddy can do, except Davis is washed up. The only difference is RC would play Davis because he is a vet and experienced, where Roddy would probably play better at this stage of their careers.

Our biggest concern is getting another offensive weapon that is not at the point guard position, preferably one that can eat into JETs minutes and allowing Roddy to get minutes. Our point guard position is log-jammed with Kidd at the moment, and any minutes at that spot, if available, need to go to Roddy. Anyone else playing that spot, Roddy won't see the light of day.

You are on the right track, we need a player with Davis' skill set (3's, driving, passing) ... but preferably at the 2 guard, with good defense, height, and not washed up. Davis has a bad injury history and doesn't seem to provide great chemistry.

mavs777 · 05-09-2010, 12:56 AM

B Diddy is a lot better than most of you are giving him credit for, I do agree he takes too many threes and takes them in a similar matter that chauncey does (Chauncey's a better shooter though). But his A/TO Ratio was almost 3-1 and from what I heard from interviews and such he sounded very mature and actually if anything should have tooken more shots. But I don't think B Diddy and Kaman puts us over the top. Our defense still looks meh

sefant77 · 05-09-2010, 04:24 AM

Davis skillset includes 3s? Or you mean taking a damn bunch of them without shooting them well? I thought we are through this since A.Walker.

mavs777 · 05-09-2010, 06:55 PM

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Davis skillset includes 3s? Or you mean taking a damn bunch of them without shooting them well? I thought we are through this since A.Walker.

this

tyronefly · 06-22-2010, 01:37 PM

i want drew gooden back and we should pick up tyrus thomas

41mvp · 06-22-2010, 01:55 PM

Why not!!!It's very good idea.Dallas need good center Kaman help Dirk in offence.Kaman is very good defender he can protect paint.Kaman is young man.Damp is old man his plays is not showy.Kaman give Dallas Mavericks good offence plays and good defence.Baron Davis is good playmaker.Kidd,Beaubois,Davis in nice duel.Dvis have good 3shot he can drive to basket he's good player.But I don't know if Dallas need next old player in team???

thebesteva_22 · 06-22-2010, 11:42 PM

Is there anybody here than can come up with a way to iggy?

Thespiralgoeson · 06-23-2010, 03:11 AM

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Is there anybody here than can come up with a way to iggy?

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showth...t=36370&page=5

Read this page. I listed off several possibilities, the simplest being Butler for Iggy straight up. I just don't see any way it happens though. Not only is Cuban probably not willing to take on that much salary, but I also don't see Philly as being that desperate to shed salary, especially since trading Dalembert.