Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by tap2390

I hate to be a debbie downer, but honestly the trail of mismanagement beginning with the KP trade might be too much to overcome. OKC is young and hungry and arguably better than us not considering the assets they?ve amassed (and have Chet coming back). If Harden and Wemby end up on the Rockets you can kiss playoffs goodbye next year too.

There's really no reason to believe the Mavs can right the ship, but like my dad going out for beer, I still hope he eventually comes back home.

We're going to find out what Luka is about this offseason. Because everyone in the media is coming down hard on him. I think he will grind.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

There's really no reason to believe the Mavs can right the ship, but like my dad going out for beer, I still hope he eventually comes back home.

We're going to find out what Luka is about this offseason. Because everyone in the media is coming down hard on him. I think he will grind.

The problem is he can grind and still not go anywhere if organizational ineptitude and bad luck prevails... Jordan couldn't win big until they put the right pieces around him and he was arguably playing on both ends of the court in his first 5 years.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Zeus

The problem is he can grind and still not go anywhere if organizational ineptitude and bad luck prevails... Jordan couldn't win big until they put the right pieces around him and he was arguably playing on both ends of the court in his first 5 years.

IMO Kyrie is 50% of the battle. The other 50 is defense/ rebounding.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by tap2390

I hate to be a debbie downer, but honestly the trail of mismanagement beginning with the KP trade might be too much to overcome. OKC is young and hungry and arguably better than us not considering the assets they?ve amassed (and have Chet coming back). If Harden and Wemby end up on the Rockets you can kiss playoffs goodbye next year too.

They are years away themselves...What's suppose to put us in front of teams like OKC is Luka. When you have a Luka that puts you at a level some teams can't even grasp. Now don't get me wrong...this team has a lot to do.

But the league is wide open right now. No one is a favorite. This is perfect for the Mavs. OKC has all the potential in the world but its not the first time. Hell Durant, Westbrook and Harden had potential. Roy, Aldridge, Oden had potential....still have to fill fit.

The KP trade to me isn't really a issue. Maybe DSJ himself was the issue and had we went a different route maybe we would be in a different spot. Hell maybe we don't even have Luka. Just never know.

[tap2390]

That's a good perspective. I agree young promise doesn't always pan out, and having a guy like Luka is crucial to success in the NBA.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by tap2390

That's a good perspective. I agree young promise doesn't always pan out, and having a guy like Luka is crucial to success in the NBA.

Yep. But I get your point as well. We can?t just sssume just because we are the Mavs that we will be good. West is incredibly deep and while Spurs, Rockets, etc stink?..they?ve stunk for so long they are just building with young talent?.this can get ugly fast.

[tap2390]

One thing I will add is that I am not convinced that Luka will be better than SGA next season.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by tap2390

One thing I will add is that I am not convinced that Luka will be better than SGA next season.

Nah?..I?m not so sure either. If he is better?I honestly don?t see that big of a gap between Luka and these other young stars. Especially since guys like ANT and SGA can play both sides of the ball which makes it easier to build around them.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by tap2390

One thing I will add is that I am not convinced that Luka will be better than SGA next season.

Luka is better when he's fully engaged

But I will say in late game situations I like the mentality of SGA and D.Fox much better than Luka

Those two dudes don't settle for as many 3's as Luka does latein Games

They always looking to attack the rim 1st keeping pressure on the defense

Luka imo tends to let the defense off the hook so often with step back 3's late I. Games

There were plenty of games and situations this year where I felt Luka could have gotten and taken smarter shots but way too often he would be too quick to just launch a 3

For the life of me I'm not sure why the mavs haven't primarily used Luka out of the post more to close out games. Dude is bigger and stringer than most defenders that he should be dominating late in Games inside especially with kyrie here.

It would stop the mavs from having wasted possessions down the stretch because they wouldn't be jacking up so many bad 3's in the 4th qtr if they played inside out with Luka as the post man

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Luka is better when he's fully engaged

But I will say in late game situations I like the mentality of SGA and D.Fox much better than Luka

Those two dudes don't settle for as many 3's as Luka does latein Games

They always looking to attack the rim 1st keeping pressure on the defense

Luka imo tends to let the defense off the hook so often with step back 3's late I. Games

There were plenty of games and situations this year where I felt Luka could have gotten and taken smarter shots but way too often he would be too quick to just launch a 3

For the life of me I'm not sure why the mavs haven't primarily used Luka out of the post more to close out games. Dude is bigger and stringer than most defenders that he should be dominating late in Games inside especially with kyrie here.

It would stop the mavs from having wasted possessions down the stretch because they wouldn't be jacking up so many bad 3's in the 4th qtr if they played inside out with Luka as the post man

There is a little Recency bias based on the 2nd half of this year. Before this year Luka was perceived league wide as a clutch shot killer. On the glass half full side there is the thought the Mavs will be better next year with just a reversion to the mean in clutch time.

Definition
Recency bias is the tendency to overemphasize the importance of recent experiences or the latest information we possess when estimating future events. Recency bias often misleads us to believe that recent events can give us an indication of how the future will unfold.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Luka is better when he's fully engaged

But I will say in late game situations I like the mentality of SGA and D.Fox much better than Luka

Those two dudes don't settle for as many 3's as Luka does latein Games

They always looking to attack the rim 1st keeping pressure on the defense

Luka imo tends to let the defense off the hook so often with step back 3's late I. Games

There were plenty of games and situations this year where I felt Luka could have gotten and taken smarter shots but way too often he would be too quick to just launch a 3

For the life of me I'm not sure why the mavs haven't primarily used Luka out of the post more to close out games. Dude is bigger and stringer than most defenders that he should be dominating late in Games inside especially with kyrie here.

It would stop the mavs from having wasted possessions down the stretch because they wouldn't be jacking up so many bad 3's in the 4th qtr if they played inside out with Luka as the post man

I'm sayin.

Luka on the block with Kyrie ball handling should be late game option #1. The Kyrie on the corner and Luka ball handling up top is a bad scheme.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'm sayin.

Luka on the block with Kyrie ball handling should be late game option #1. The Kyrie on the corner and Luka ball handling up top is a bad scheme.

This.

4th quarter stats
Kyrie - 1st in league in 4th quarter points, 1st on the team in FG% (after guys like Powell who just do oops), 53% from the field and 40% from three
Luka - 46% and 33% from three, 8th on the team in efficiency

The ball should absolutely be in Kyrie's hands

post scoring
Luka - 45th in eFG% when posting. 55% eFG when posting (was 69% before Luka got so rundown)

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

This.

4th quarter stats
Kyrie - 1st in league in 4th quarter points, 1st on the team in FG% (after guys like Powell who just do oops), 53% from the field and 40% from three
Luka - 46% and 33% from three, 8th on the team in efficiency

The ball should absolutely be in Kyrie's hands

post scoring
Luka - 45th in eFG% when posting. 55% eFG when posting (was 69% before Luka got so rundown)

I think these are all skewed by the fact that Luka both got worn down and somehow simultaneously fat. Go back and watch Bubble Luka. It is a startling contrast

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

This.

4th quarter stats
Kyrie - 1st in league in 4th quarter points, 1st on the team in FG% (after guys like Powell who just do oops), 53% from the field and 40% from three
Luka - 46% and 33% from three, 8th on the team in efficiency

The ball should absolutely be in Kyrie's hands

post scoring
Luka - 45th in eFG% when posting. 55% eFG when posting (was 69% before Luka got so rundown)

You left out Decision making

Kyrie seems more willing to move the ball late in games and also attack the rim.

Luka tends to allow the ball to stick which often ends up leading to him taking poor shots to close out qtrs or games.


Hopefully as SMC pointed out they reevaluate the situation next season and put the ball in Kyrie's hands more and let him run the late game offense

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Luka is better when he's fully engaged

But I will say in late game situations I like the mentality of SGA and D.Fox much better than Luka

Those two dudes don't settle for as many 3's as Luka does latein Games

They always looking to attack the rim 1st keeping pressure on the defense

Luka imo tends to let the defense off the hook so often with step back 3's late I. Games

There were plenty of games and situations this year where I felt Luka could have gotten and taken smarter shots but way too often he would be too quick to just launch a 3

For the life of me I'm not sure why the mavs haven't primarily used Luka out of the post more to close out games. Dude is bigger and stringer than most defenders that he should be dominating late in Games inside especially with kyrie here.

It would stop the mavs from having wasted possessions down the stretch because they wouldn't be jacking up so many bad 3's in the 4th qtr if they played inside out with Luka as the post man

I want Nurse if available, someone I would trust to get the best out of players and put them in the position to be successful. Whoever FA the mavs get in the offseason will have to overcome the lack of coaching to go anywhere in the western conference.

[saclare]

Y'all are spoiled rotten having Luka on your team. He's on a whole tier or two above SGA, Anthony Edwards, Fox, etc.

Wow...

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by saclare

Y'all are spoiled rotten having Luka on your team. He's on a whole tier or two above SGA, Anthony Edwards, Fox, etc.

Wow...

He's multiple tiers above Anthony Edwards, but SGA and Fox can hold their own, obviously neither have had the success Luka has had, but the skill is there.

Luka should still be first team all nba, its amazing watching voters pretzel themselves into making Luka 2nd team.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

He's multiple tiers above Anthony Edwards, but SGA and Fox can hold their own, obviously neither have had the success Luka has had, but the skill is there.

Luka should still be first team all nba, its amazing watching voters pretzel themselves into making Luka 2nd team.

He will almost certainly be 2nd team this year. I have heard too many guys that actually have votes say they have him on their 2nd team. They are holding the team failure against him no doubt while still recognizing he is a top 5 player that will be punished to 2nd team because of team outcome.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Zeus

He will almost certainly be 2nd team this year. I have heard too many guys that actually have votes say they have him on their 2nd team. They are holding the team failure against him no doubt while still recognizing he is a top 5 player that will be punished to 2nd team because of team outcome.

Which is a very foolish way to look at an individual award lol

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Everything about Luka's flaws always comes back to conditioning. When you get tired faster, then you make poor decisions/don't play d/complain to the refs/etc.

Doesn't help that we have a coach that as far as I can tell this season doesn't know what a scheme even is.

You can still have Luka bring the ball up the court, and they can switch. But we don't have a "system" that loves simplicity.

[SMC0007]

Call me crazy but Gobert is playing some exciting basketball. Suuuuuree does make a lot of munies

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Call me crazy but Gobert is playing some exciting basketball. Suuuuuree does make a lot of munies

Without the contracts, of course I'd take Gobert or Ayton. But if we got one of those, then we're just back in the KP saddle again. 30+ mil a year for a good but not great big man just isn't the way to go.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Without the contracts, of course I'd take Gobert or Ayton. But if we got one of those, then we're just back in the KP saddle again. 30+ mil a year for a good but not great big man just isn't the way to go.

You're right, it's not.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Good lord, why are we still talking about Brunson? It's a year later folks. Let it go. He was a FA and rightfully chose a better situation. Move on already.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Good lord, why are we still talking about Brunson? It's a year later folks. Let it go. He was a FA and rightfully chose a better situation. Move on already.

Yea. It's a beating.

[tap2390]

How many kicks to the nuts can we take as Mavs fans. Every day I?m reminded what an incompetent pos Cuban is.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by tap2390

How many kicks to the nuts can we take as Mavs fans.

Sadly, lots and lots of them.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Good lord, why are we still talking about Brunson? It's a year later folks. Let it go. He was a FA and rightfully chose a better situation. Move on already.

It?s never going to be let go. Mavs are dog shit and Knicks are good because of Brunson. Until Mavs are good again, it will continue to be brought up.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

It?s never going to be let go. Mavs are dog shit and Knicks are good because of Brunson. Until Mavs are good again, it will continue to be brought up.

Yep I agree

As much as some fans want to move on which is what cuban wants

Cuban doesn't want fans to remind him of the bullshit fiasco he had with Brunson

I hope the local media constantly reminds Cuban of his fuck up the entire playoffs maybe that will finally get his attention that fans are getting fed up with his shit the way he runs the team

I said this a few times now that I actually believe the only reason he made the kyrie deal was because of the immense outside noise he was hearing about Luka not having any help

[SMC0007]

People line up at the AAC to take kicks to the nuts. Cuban cucks

[Dallas41]

So sports illustrated is reporting that the mavs wanted to tank way back in March but Luka and kyrie shut that shit down

That would explain why kidd made some of the decisions he made this year.

Luka sitting out games guys like Bullock and THJ being asked to play PF in small lineups

Cuban has become that type of owner who literally doesn't have a clue as to what it takes for roster building

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

So sports illustrated is reporting that the mavs wanted to tank way back in March but Luka and kyrie shut that shit down

That would explain why kidd made some of the decisions he made this year.

Luka sitting out games guys like Bullock and THJ being asked to play PF in small lineups

Cuban has become that type of owner who literally doesn't have a clue as to what it takes for roster building

They shoulda started tanking then. Cuban sucks at everything regarding basketball, but he was right about tanking. Team was going nowhere.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

They shoulda started tanking then. Cuban sucks at everything regarding basketball, but he was right about tanking. Team was going nowhere.

100%disagree

Had kidd played the correct lineup of Mcgee, wood, Green, Luka and kyrie as starters or closers this team would have been in the playoffs

The decisions he made to playing time even after the trade now makes even more sense that they deliberately trying to lose games which explains why he refused to use timeouts or call plays late in games. Instead just allowing Luka to repeatedly launch up bad step back 3's in every close game outcome

I see no reason why that lineup couldn't have competed with the likes of Denver, Memphis or Sacramento in a 1st round series

Hell even after watching the play in tournament games imo the mavs could have beaten any of those teams

Nothing we can do about it now but with west so wide-open I feel like they essentially waisted a year with Luka and kyrie do to poor FO decisions

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

100%disagree

Had kidd played the correct lineup of Mcgee, wood, Green, Luka and kyrie as starters or closers this team would have been in the playoffs

The decisions he made to playing time even after the trade now makes even more sense that they deliberately trying to lose games which explains why he refused to use timeouts or call plays late in games. Instead just allowing Luka to repeatedly launch up bad step back 3's in every close game outcome

I see no reason why that lineup couldn't have competed with the likes of Denver, Memphis or Sacramento in a 1st round series

Hell even after watching the play in tournament games imo the mavs could have beaten any of those teams

Nothing we can do about it now but with west so wide-open I feel like they essentially waisted a year with Luka and kyrie do to poor FO decisions

I'm head of the Kidd needs to be fired train, but if that doesn't happen, then you absolutely tank for a high draft pick.

And you still risk being Chicago where you make the play-in just to convey your pick.

The season ended with those Charlotte games.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Cuban has become that type of owner who literally doesn't have a clue as to what it takes for roster building

Has become? Since when, exactly, was Cuban evee a good GM? He's the basketball version of Jerruh...great owner, doesn't know shit about being a GM. How many other teams in the past 20 years would have hired either one as a GM? (hint: None). Both are in Dallas. Sad...

The Mavs FO had a MASSIVE overreaction to the team struggling when half their lineup was out. They were playing very well before then...and likely would have afterwards. So, they got rid of 2 of their core defenders to get a guy who would help offensively...then were shocked that their defense sucked! Who knew? (hint:everyone else on earth).

Now, suppose they keep Irving. How do you build a good team around he and Luka? (hint, that 10th draft pick *might* help a bit, but it ain't gonna do it). That's not going to be easy, lots of holes to fill, and not much available to help fill them. Trade Irving, maybe...but woudln't that be essentially be trying to get back to where they were before they got him? Only other scenario I see is if can trade for AD, but if Lakers keep playing well (and he's playing well)....not sure I see the Lakers doing that?

If McGee were able to play an extended period of time like he played last few games, that would help tremendously...but they would still need a starting big that is good at rebounding and protecting the rim. A big PF too.

[tap2390]

Big Board 2.0


1) Wembanaya - duh (7'4" KD)
2) Scoot - day 1 floor general and class alpha with elite athleticism... needs to work on shooting (Westbrook build with Ja Morant game)
3) Miller - safest player in the draft; well rounded game (Brandon Ingram)
4) Amen T. - the single most athletic player in a draft with Wemby (Anthony Edwards -- better handles, but way worse jumper)
5) Cam Whitmore - great athlete and thrives getting to the rim; one of the younger players in the draft (Aaron Gordon/ Miles Bridges)
6) Jarace Walker - big, strong, versatile 4 who can guard 3-5 (Millsap/ Draymond)
7) Taylor Hendricks - more of a big wing than small PF; versatile defender (Jerami Grant)
8) Gradey Dick - candidate to go surprisingly high... elite off ball shooter who is more serviceable in other regards than a guy like Duncan Robinson (Peja)
9) Cason Wallace - best point of attack defender in the draft; probably has the most to gain/lose from measurements in the draft (Marcus Smart)
10) Anthony Black - a little bit of a tweener, will need to prove jumper is there (more athletic Talen Horton Tucker)


**bonus**
11) Ausar T. - unfortunately has his twin brother's poor shooting without his absolutely jaw-dropping athleticism (although obviously still a good athlete)... needs a few years (RJ Hampton)

[Dallas41]

Lakers showed the blue print as to how you rebuild a team doing the season

Can't believe they ended up with 4 quality players all around the deadline

Vanderbilt, Beasley, RH and Russell

It's like the mavs were asleep at the wheel while some of those players became available

[washedklean77]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Lakers showed the blue print as to how you rebuild a team doing the season

Can't believe they ended up with 4 quality players all around the deadline

Vanderbilt, Beasley, RH and Russell

It's like the mavs were asleep at the wheel while some of those players became available

Yep. And Austin Reaves is flourishing this season as he may very well be one of my favorite players to watch these days. He hustles on both ends which is refreshing to see.

Also, Morant's style of play will keep him in danger for the entire duration of his career.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Lakers showed the blue print as to how you rebuild a team doing the season

Can't believe they ended up with 4 quality players all around the deadline

Vanderbilt, Beasley, RH and Russell

It's like the mavs were asleep at the wheel while some of those players became available

Mavs weren?t asleep, they just used their assets to get Kyrie. Whether they should?ve gone for incremental improvements is a worthwhile debate (albeit one that?s largely contingent on whether Kyrie stays or not imo).

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Mavs weren?t asleep, they just used their assets to get Kyrie. Whether they should?ve gone for incremental improvements is a worthwhile debate (albeit one that?s largely contingent on whether Kyrie stays or not imo).

Have any of you conjectured what we would do if the doomsday sequence of events occurs??
- We lose the lottery pick on May 16th
- Kyrie walks in Free Agency

What options would we have?