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EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2016, 10:48 PM

Mavericks need a defensive coach or some defensive players.
We just allowed a crappy team to score on 7/8 possessions down the stretch in the fourth without ANY resistance. J

Our offense was fine, but that was superbly awful defense.
Completely wasted one of the most clutch 3-pt performances by Matthews

EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2016, 10:54 PM

Worst defense I've ever seen in my life.

8/10 possessions scored in the final 5 minutes. 80% of possessions netted them a score. on OUR court.

Bryan_Wilson · 01-02-2016, 10:59 PM

I read an article earlier in year, maybe it was zach lowe I forget... but it said Mavs are willing to concede the long pass to the weak side open 3 on defense if it means packing the paint to help inside. When those moments lead to wide open Anderson or Gordon 3's when we are fighting like crazy to get back in it tho..... it's incredibly deflating. Feel like it should be a know your personnel type... I'd rather see Cole shoot an open 3 than Anderson or Gordon. Yet in the games most critical moments they gave their best shooters ----- wide ----- open looks.

Melonhead · 01-02-2016, 11:00 PM

Had this penciled in as a loss. But watching it still infuriates me. It usually takes the mavs a game after a blowout to really get it together. It's still no excuse but I still feel if they can go 9-9 in January without significant injury, that's a success.

Defense is sad.

EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2016, 11:03 PM

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I read an article earlier in year, maybe it was zach lowe I forget... but it said Mavs are willing to concede the long pass to the weak side open 3 on defense if it means packing the paint to help inside. When those moments lead to wide open Anderson or Gordon 3's when we are fighting like crazy to get back in it tho..... it's incredibly deflating. Feel like it should be a know your personnel type... I'd rather see Cole shoot an open 3 than Anderson or Gordon. Yet in the games most critical moments they gave their best shooters ----- wide ----- open looks.

It wasn't a strategy. It was awful effort. Guys weren't even trying to defend. Two straight possessions Dirk just stood there, disinterested like Harden.

The second of those two possessions, Dirk just stood there while Davis walked around him and dunked it. No effort at all to even challenge the shot or move his feet.

I understand we're trying to create some defensive strategies to make up for our awful defensive roster, but this was 100% effort from beginning to end, just like the last game. Guys were just standing around being idiots. It's not even worth watching when a team decides to play only 50% of the game. I'm out until the Mavs decide to start at least trying to defend.

MrScottMcKenzie · 01-02-2016, 11:05 PM

Parsons is a bum there's just no denying it.. To think the Mavs FO said he could become the face of this franchise when Dirk retires.... He can barely string three good games together.. All hype no consistent production..

EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2016, 11:07 PM

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Parsons is a bum there's just no denying it.. To think the Mavs FO said he could become the face of this franchise when Dirk retires.... He can barely string three good games together.. All hype no consistent production..

Thing is? He's a Mav for the next couple years. He's untradable unless he starts playing well and if he plays well, we're going to keep him. Might as well start cheering FOR him instead of talking crap about him.

MrScottMcKenzie · 01-02-2016, 11:08 PM

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Thing is? He's a Mav for the next couple years. He's untradable unless he starts playing well and if he plays well, we're going to keep him. Might as well start cheering FOR him instead of talking crap about him.

Just said that in another thread.. Bloody hurts when he's a very unlikable fella too. Doesn't have the grind attitude like Iron Man does.

EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2016, 11:10 PM

Also got outrebounded by 20. TWENTY.
53-33

Piss-poor defense and piss-poor rebounding. No amount of Matthews clutch threes are going to make up for that, even against a sub-.500 team like the Pels.

MrScottMcKenzie · 01-02-2016, 11:11 PM

Rebounds
J.J. Barea: 7
Chandler Parsons: 1

Barea hustles... Parsons is lazy.

EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2016, 11:12 PM

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Rebounds
J.J. Barea: 7
Chandler Parsons: 1

Barea hustles... Parsons is lazy.

No guff for our other 7-footer? Dirk had a sad 4 rebounds. Basically everyone but Zaza and Barea sucked some big ones on rebounding, but Parsons is getting the crap.

MrScottMcKenzie · 01-02-2016, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

No guff for our other 7-footer? Dirk had a sad 4 rebounds. Basically everyone but Zaza and Barea sucked some big ones on rebounding, but Parsons is getting the crap.

Because we don't like Parsons.. He was hyped up and hasn't delivered in the slightest. People don't hate on Matthews either because wen see the bloke hustling.. Parsons is in his 20's and looks as slow as Dirk out there.. Really is no excuses for the bloke. He said his season starts in January and he's been laying eggs left right and centre..

EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2016, 11:16 PM

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Because we don't like Parsons.. He was hyped up and hasn't delivered in the slightest. People don't hate on Matthews either because wen see the bloke hustling.. Parsons is in his 20's and looks as slow as Dirk out there.. Really is no excuses for the bloke. He said his season starts in January and he's been laying eggs left right and centre..

Parsons is still getting to 100%, but go ahead and trash on Parsons. It's a double standard when Dirk was incredibly lazy, slow, and dumb out there tonight. It was all Parsons' fault.

Parsons caused us to be outrebounded by 20
Parsons allowed the Pels to score on 8/10 possessions to close the game (despite his man never scoring)
Parsons was lazy and slow (even though everyone by Matthews, JJB, and Zaza were lethargic and awful)

I'd say the real issue is YOU don't like Parsons. That's fine. Tonight was a team loss, though and I think you know it. It wasn't one guy being lazy. It was 8 guys not showing up.

MrScottMcKenzie · 01-02-2016, 11:18 PM

Parsons wasn't even in for quite a bit of crunch time because he was incredibly lazy out on court... He's a 27 year old 6'10 guy.. There's no excuse for him to be out rebounded by a 37 year old.

EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2016, 11:20 PM

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Parsons wasn't even in for quite a bit of crunch time because he was incredibly lazy out on court... He's a 27 year old 6'10 guy.. There's no excuse for him to be out rebounded by a 37 year old.

There's plenty of excuse for anyone who knows how the NBA works. When Carlisle has you playing the SF position and sitting at the top of the key, you aren't going to get many rebounds. When you are defending your man 20 feet from the basket, you aren't going to get any boards.

If you think Dirk's 4 rebounds was perfectly acceptable and this was all Parsons, then I don't have anything more to discuss with you.

ActionJackson · 01-02-2016, 11:21 PM

By the way, what's with the scheduling. We played tonight a b2b game against NO. And the same scenario next wednesday? Okay, they also had one against us in November.

Last season all four games against the Rockets were b2b games!

And Williams injured again. Oh Lord.

MrScottMcKenzie · 01-02-2016, 11:22 PM

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There's plenty of excuse for anyone who knows how the NBA works. When Carlisle has you playing the SF position and sitting at the top of the key, you aren't going to get many rebounds. When you are defending your man 20 feet from the basket, you aren't going to get any boards.

If you think Dirk's 4 rebounds was perfectly acceptable and this was all Parsons, then I don't have anything more to discuss with you.

Our SF scored 6 points following on from 4 and 6 points in his previously couple of games. Stop defending him..

EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2016, 11:24 PM

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Our SF scored 6 points following on from 4 and 6 points in his previously couple of games. Stop defending him..

So now you are telling me what to do? Nice.

This was a team loss. It wasn't on Parsons. That's all I'm saying. You are more than welcome to keep talking your (ill-informed, biased) opinion here. You just may get challenged when you are being hyperbolic and/or not based in reality.

EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2016, 11:25 PM

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And Williams injured again. Oh Lord.

Williams may be lucky to play 40 games this year.

MrScottMcKenzie · 01-02-2016, 11:26 PM

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So now you are telling me what to do? Nice.

This was a team loss. It wasn't on Parsons. That's all I'm saying. You are more than welcome to keep talking your (ill-informed, biased) opinion here. You just may get challenged when you are being hyperbolic and/or not based in reality.

Well I highly doubt that you believe the stuff you are typing... I struggle to believe you're willing to tolerate these performances from a dude being paid more than Steph Curry.

EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2016, 11:27 PM

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Well I highly doubt that you believe the stuff you are typing... I struggle to believe you're willing to tolerate these performances from a dude being paid more than Steph Curry.

I don't think you are reading well enough if you think I said anything shocking.

Dude had a subpar game, but so did the rest of the team. This is a team loss, not a Parsons loss. Parsons should not be expected to get the rebounds of a center or PF. Nothing I said was that shocking. Care to point out one single thing I said that you think is completely unbelievable?

Your bias is blocking your ability to read properly, I think.

Bryan_Wilson · 01-02-2016, 11:29 PM

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Our SF scored 6 points following on from 4 and 6 points in his previously couple of games. Stop defending him..

He also is only averaging about 6 shot attempts in those 3 games. The 2 games before he had 20 points and 13 points on twice as many shots. RC said after game tonight- can't look at a stat sheet and gauge how a guy played the shots distribution falls different ways through the course of the season, said "Parsons was definitely a factor tonight". RC didn't play Rondo last year when he played like dog shit. Parsons gets 34mins tonight and you say he was a non factor but RC said he was a factor, I think I'll listen to the guy giving him 34mins.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-02-2016, 11:58 PM

Don't feed the troll in Scottmckenzie.

And it doesn't really phase me that Williams is injured. Story of his career, and I never really bought into him being any kind of savior of this team. It was nice to get him after the DAJ fiasco, but there is a reason he was bought out.

And hey, Harris has the same issue, so I'm definitely being fair. But I think we all knew injuries were going to plague this season since we have half a team full of injury-prone players.

MrScottMcKenzie · 01-03-2016, 03:13 AM

A troll? Oh yeah Parsons hasn't been doing diddly squat.. Seriously, just a fan who'd do a lot to get Parsons off this team.

Oberon · 01-03-2016, 05:06 AM

Of course one should expect more from Parsons. He's not even close to being worth his salary. He did have his injury, but he's been playing for two months now and you barely see any improvements. I don't know how people can be happy with these underwhelming performances. People praise his all-around abilities, which isn't untrue, but you could also say he's not particularly good at anything. If at least he was a very good defender or shooter but in fact he's just an average defender and a very inconsistent shooter.

Now if he was getting paid less and if we had good replacements for him, I wouldn't complain so much. But right now there would be lots of players in the league that would do a better job for less money. I'd really consider a trade if he doesn't start to use his full potential finally.

Kante · 01-03-2016, 06:42 AM

So, Barea is coming down to earth. Hopefully RC will throw Williams out there at the start again if he is 100% healthy.

Underdog · 01-03-2016, 09:57 AM

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A troll? Oh yeah Parsons hasn't been doing diddly squat.. Seriously, just a fan who'd do a lot to get Parsons off this team.

I know, right? And The Force Awakens sucked too.

EricaLubarsky · 01-03-2016, 10:17 AM

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So, Barea is coming down to earth. Hopefully RC will throw Williams out there at the start again if he is 100% healthy.

Williams will never be 100% healthy. Dude left this game it's more hammy issues.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-03-2016, 11:09 AM

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I know, right? And The Force Awakens sucked too.

Derp.

Underdog · 01-03-2016, 12:15 PM

Dirk criticizes crucial call late in Mavs' loss

EricaLubarsky · 01-03-2016, 01:23 PM

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Dirk criticizes crucial call late in Mavs' loss

It was an awful call, but it was Dirk standing around for three possessions a la Harden that lost us this game. No rebounding and no defense. One awful missed call didn't lose us this game.

yahyes · 01-03-2016, 02:01 PM

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A troll? Oh yeah Parsons hasn't been doing diddly squat.. Seriously, just a fan who'd do a lot to get Parsons off this team.

I guess you'll be the new Parsons critic for everything here.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-03-2016, 02:53 PM

I'm not sure I'd even play Dirk on the second night of b2bs in January at least.

Melonhead · 01-03-2016, 03:54 PM

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Dirk criticizes crucial call late in Mavs' loss

ugh dirk thats not what cost the game. EDIT: read article; Dirk agrees with me

Melonhead · 01-03-2016, 04:02 PM

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I'm not sure I'd even play Dirk on the second night of b2bs in January at least.

Mavs still have 6 more in Jan. But I agree. Id sit him for three of the remaining b2b

rimrocker · 01-03-2016, 04:41 PM

Dirk seems to be pacing but we aren't in a position to let up. I'd rather have a hustling Powell getting most of the minutes than Dirk standing around and resting half the game. Not necessarily a knock on Dirk but RC needs to manage his minutes better imo...at least against the weaker opponents.

rimrocker · 01-03-2016, 04:44 PM

I think Parsons will improve if DWill is out for any length of time. Parsons needs the ball in his hands to be effective.
Also, I notice this team just doesn't have a killer instinct. I know there have been a few others but the only blowout win that I can remember is GSW.

MavzMan · 01-04-2016, 10:05 AM

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... I'd rather have a hustling Powell getting most of the minutes than Dirk standing around and resting half the game. ...

This is exactly what I was wanting the last few games. I love seeing Charlie V come in and light it up, but I'm ready for more Powell. His defense is better and he was hitting the mid range jumpers earlier in the season consistently but his minutes have dwindled considerably. And we desperately need his athleticism for more rebounds.