With the #3 pick (!) in the 2018 draft, the Mavs get Luka Doncic - Page 11 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

mac222b · 10-25-2018, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

I really think his low assists per game is due to the team around him. He has made some great passes to guys and they end up not shooting when they should or they miss the shot completely. The guy should touch the ball on most possessions. I don't know how many times the team runs up the court and either DSJ or Wes pound the rock then don't pass the ball and end up shooting a brick. I wonder what the team assist numbers are as far as the mavericks are compared to the rest of the league. It seems that this years team doesn't move the ball around nearly as well as last years.

The ball movement is terrible. Rick needs to fix it, and the defensive intensity issues, asap.

Underdog · 10-25-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

I really think his low assists per game is due to the team around him. He has made some great passes to guys and they end up not shooting when they should or they miss the shot completely. The guy should touch the ball on most possessions. I don't know how many times the team runs up the court and either DSJ or Wes pound the rock then don't pass the ball and end up shooting a brick. I wonder what the team assist numbers are as far as the mavericks are compared to the rest of the league. It seems that this years team doesn't move the ball around nearly as well as last years.

Your perception does not line up with the numbers...

- Mavs are #5 in the league with 26.8 assists per game.

- JJ Barea is #5 overall (8.5 APG) and #1 overall in AST% (58.6).

- Dennis Smith Jr is #35 overall (5.0 APG) and #55 overall in AST% (25.3).

- Luka Doncic is #55 overall (3.8 APG) and #118 overall in AST% (16.0).

- Wesley Matthews is #77 overall (3.3 APG) and #146 overall in AST% (14.0).

And from what I've seen, the Mavs almost move to ball TOO MUCH... There were a few instances last night where guys passed up a good look to make the extra pass. Which, in my opinion, is an okay problem to have with such a young team -- at least they're willing to move the ball around.

If anything, Luka's assist numbers aren't higher because we're asking him to carry the scoring load, and he's willing to do that.

SMC0007 · 10-25-2018, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Your perception does not line up with the numbers...

- Mavs are #5 in the league with 26.8 assists per game.

- JJ Barea is #5 overall (8.5 APG) and #1 overall in AST% (58.6).

- Dennis Smith Jr is #35 overall (5.0 APG) and #55 overall in AST% (25.3).

- Luka Doncic is #55 overall (3.8 APG) and #118 overall in AST% (16.0).

- Wesley Matthews is #77 overall (3.3 APG) and #146 overall in AST% (14.0).

And from what I've seen, the Mavs almost move to ball TOO MUCH... There were a few instances last night where guys passed up a good look to make the extra pass. Which, in my opinion, is an okay problem to have with such a young team -- at least they're willing to move the ball around.

If anything, Luka's assist numbers aren't higher because we're asking him to carry the scoring load, and he's willing to do that.

There are definitely times that they have not taken an open shot when they should have, no excuses. There are also times that they have had defenses scrambling and they kept moving the ball in Hope's of a more open shot when they should have just shot. It's understandable that having defenses scattering all over to help that they keep it moving until they find the best opportunity to score but sometimes the scramble defensively catches up or ends up in the right place.

I dont think they move it too much. Imo they (wes barea and dsj) have not moved it enough at crucial times and settle for a bad jumper early in the possession.

Fragism · 10-25-2018, 03:37 PM

They're actually 5th in the league atm at 26.8 assists per game up from 19th last season at 22.7 per game. However, they're also putting up way more shots than last season and they're only making just under 43% of them. I don't think Dennis deserves much of the blame for Luka not getting touches. His attempts and USG% are actually lower than last season (and lower than Luka's). If anything I think the offense isn't running enough plays for Dennis.

Wes on the other hand has added an eye-watering 5.2 shot attempts from last season. I guess he really thinks he needs to take responsibility for Barnes absence.

Underdog · 10-27-2018, 01:32 PM

@AndrewDBailey: Luka Doncic has 98 points, 31 rebounds, 19 assists and four steals in his first five NBA games.

The only other rookie in NBA history to hit all four of those marks in his first five games? Magic Johnson in 1979.

AO41 · 10-27-2018, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@AndrewDBailey: Luka Doncic has 98 points, 31 rebounds, 19 assists and four steals in his first five NBA games.

The only other rookie in NBA history to hit all four of those marks in his first five games? Magic Johnson in 1979.

Niceee

Harpospoke · 10-27-2018, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@AndrewDBailey: Luka Doncic has 98 points, 31 rebounds, 19 assists and four steals in his first five NBA games.

The only other rookie in NBA history to hit all four of those marks in his first five games? Magic Johnson in 1979.

Very cool.

Now the Mavs need to improve to make that pick mediocre for Atlanta or get really bad so it's a top 5 pick.

Won't do much good to get a young star if the Mavs can't put anything around him. Losing that pick next season could really hurt. Even worse that the Mavs had to give it up to pick where they should have been picking the whole time. Here's hoping we don't have to hope the lottery gets the Mavs into the top 5 because we know how that works out for them.

SMC0007 · 10-27-2018, 03:34 PM

I didnt expect Luka to be our leading scorer. 20ppg is impressive. Hopefully he can boost his assists

Luka's Mom · 10-30-2018, 05:41 PM

Time to fire up the Official Luka is Great thread.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-30-2018, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Luka's Mom

Time to fire up the Official Luka is Great thread.

By all means, start it...

EricaLubarsky · 10-30-2018, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Luka's Mom

Time to fire up the Official Luka is Great thread.

I think it's overdue, honestly.

Underdog · 11-02-2018, 03:31 PM

Top rookie rebounders so far:

1) DeAndre Ayton (10.0 RPG)
2) Marvin Bagley III (6.9 RPG)
3) Wendell Carter (6.3 RPG)
3) Luka Doncic (6.3 RPG)
4) Mo Bamba (5.4 RPG)

One of these things is not like the others... I mean, I knew the kid would be a better-than-average rebounder, but no way in hell I thought he'd be hanging a bunch of centers who are known for their boards. Like, I'd be absolutely pissed to see this stat if we ended up drafting Mo.

Top rookie assists so far:

1) Trae Young (7.0 APG)
2) Luka Doncic (4.4 APG)
3) Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (3.4 APG)
4) DeAndre Ayton (3.3 APG)
5) Elie Okobo (3.0 APG)

Not surprised to see Luka here, but I certainly wasn't expecting to see Ayton so high up on the list.

Top rookie scorers so far:

1) Luka Doncic (19.6 PPG)
2) Trae Young (18.5 PPG)
3) DeAndre Ayton (16.9 PPG)
4) Marvin Bagley III (13.0 PPG)
5) Collin Sexton (12.0 PPG)

No surprises here either, but I am impressed to see him top so many score-first guys.

Top rookie steals so far:

1)Josh Okogie (1.7 SPG)
2) Jaren Jackson Jr (1.2 SPG)
3) Mikal Bridges (1.1 SPG)
4) Luka Doncic (0.9 SPG)
4) Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (0.9 SPG)

For a kid whose defense was never a selling point, it's refreshing to see Doncic hanging with guys who we knew would be tearing up the defensive end.

SMC0007 · 11-02-2018, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Top rookie rebounders so far:

1) DeAndre Ayton (10.0 RPG)
2) Marvin Bagley III (6.9 RPG)
3) Wendell Carter (6.3 RPG)
3) Luka Doncic (6.3 RPG)
4) Mo Bamba (5.4 RPG)

One of these things is not like the others... I mean, I knew the kid would be a better-than-average rebounder, but no way in hell I thought he'd be hanging a bunch of centers who are known for their boards. Like, I'd be absolutely pissed to see this stat if we ended up drafting Mo.

Top rookie assists so far:

1) Trae Young (7.0 APG)
2) Luka Doncic (4.4 APG)
3) Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (3.4 APG)
4) DeAndre Ayton (3.3 APG)
5) Elie Okobo (3.0 APG)

Not surprised to see Luka here, but I certainly wasn't expecting to see Ayton so high up on the list.

Top rookie scorers so far:

1) Luka Doncic (19.6 PPG)
2) Trae Young (18.5 PPG)
3) DeAndre Ayton (16.9 PPG)
4) Marvin Bagley III (13.0 PPG)
5) Collin Sexton (12.0 PPG)

No surprises here either, but I am impressed to see him top so many score-first guys.

Top rookie steals so far:

1)Josh Okogie (1.7 SPG)
2) Jaren Jackson Jr (1.2 SPG)
3) Mikal Bridges (1.1 SPG)
4) Luka Doncic (0.9 SPG)
4) Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (0.9 SPG)

For a kid whose defense was never a selling point, it's refreshing to see Doncic hanging with guys who we knew would be tearing up the defensive end.

Lukas stats look tasty.

I'd be pissed if mo was only getting like 24 mins per game too.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-03-2018, 03:58 PM

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...orwards#slide1

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Among the up-and-coming point forwards to follow Ben Simmons, Luka Doncic is next in line.

He's already here, averaging 19.4 points, 6.6 rebounds and 4.6 assists through his first seven NBA games.

Despite numbers that suggest his scoring is ahead of his distributing, a key selling point of Doncic's potential has always been his facilitating. From Europe to Dallas, he's been interchangeable between point guard and either forward spot thanks to crafty ball-handling, passing skills and 6'7", 218-pound size.

We'd be seeing more of Doncic running Dallas' offense if Dennis Smith Jr. didn't already have the job. Only six players have longer times of possession than Smith (6.1 minutes). Doncic is still averaging more potential assists (9.4 to Smith's 8.7), doing so in just over half as many minutes (3.6) working on the ball.

He has an unteachable feel for manipulating defenses with hesitation and quick change of direction. Once he begins to get comfortable and start making reads, running a pick-and-roll for Doncic will be a safe way to create a high-percentage shot.

His ability to grab a defensive rebound and start the break will also become a regular occurrence the way it has for Simmons.

Through October, no issues have popped up about Doncic's transition from overseas to the NBA—only more confirmation that the EuroLeague MVP's game translates.

Jordan might have something to say about that second bold point.... At least for this year.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-03-2018, 04:25 PM

UD and I were seriously questioning the fit of Smith and Doncic together before the draft. The saving grace is Smith is one of the few, if only, players who actively tries to get Luka the ball. And I see Luka bring the ball up the court a fair amount. Those two still aren't the glaring issue. The issue is in the half court sets when Luka gets largely ignored. The fast break stuff is usually gravy.

Underdog · 11-03-2018, 11:31 PM

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UD and I were seriously questioning the fit of Smith and Doncic together before the draft. The saving grace is Smith is one of the few, if only, players who actively tries to get Luka the ball. And I see Luka bring the ball up the court a fair amount. Those two still aren't the glaring issue. The issue is in the half court sets when Luka gets largely ignored. The fast break stuff is usually gravy.

Yep, I was talking about that to a friend earlier today... My biggest issue with going after Luka was that I figured you'd need to trade DSJ to make it work. It seems like Dennis is at least TRYING to make it work, I'm just not sure if he CAN make it work... I do like the score-first mentality that netted him 20 points the other night, but I don't like that he "lost himself" in the process, getting 0 assists and 6 TOs. He needs to find balance.

I can envision him in a prime Devin Harris combo role, but I don't know if Dennis can withstand the ups and downs of a score-first mentality without having solid defense to fall back on like Harris did. Maybe moving Wes for a true 3&D guard to help defend the perimeter could make this work, but it has to be a guy who doesn't need the ball in his hands in offense to be effective... Not a lot of options there.

rimrocker · 11-04-2018, 04:16 PM

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Yep, I was talking about that to a friend earlier today... My biggest issue with going after Luka was that I figured you'd need to trade DSJ to make it work. It seems like Dennis is at least TRYING to make it work, I'm just not sure if he CAN make it work... I do like the score-first mentality that netted him 20 points the other night, but I don't like that he "lost himself" in the process, getting 0 assists and 6 TOs. He needs to find balance.

I can envision him in a prime Devin Harris combo role, but I don't know if Dennis can withstand the ups and downs of a score-first mentality without having solid defense to fall back on like Harris did. Maybe moving Wes for a true 3&D guard to help defend the perimeter could make this work, but it has to be a guy who doesn't need the ball in his hands in offense to be effective... Not a lot of options there.

I'm hoping DFS can elevate his game to fill that role. I wish Rick would give him the role Wes currently has because he would embrace it and play within his limits.

EricaLubarsky · 11-04-2018, 06:10 PM

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I'm hoping DFS can elevate his game to fill that role. I wish Rick would give him the role Wes currently has because he would embrace it and play within his limits.

DFS has a game that could really be elevated and complement Doncic if we ever put it together. You don't want a bunch of ball-dominant guys out there around Doncic. You want guys who can contribute without having the ball and within the flow of an offense. DFS is it.

I used to think Matthews could have been that guy, but his defense is just too bad and whether it's what Rick is asking of him or what he fancies himself, he's stopped being a guy who can lay back and play within an offense.

I know we need guys to crack the offense to create secondary drives and interruptions for Doncic, but Matthews isnt it.

turin · 11-04-2018, 06:28 PM

I hope DSJ and Luka can mesh, but I really prefer that Luka be the primary ball handler. There is no excuse for him to not touch the ball on just about every possession he's in the game imo.

EricaLubarsky · 11-04-2018, 08:00 PM

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I hope DSJ and Luka can mesh, but I really prefer that Luka be the primary ball handler. There is no excuse for him to not touch the ball on just about every possession he's in the game imo.

More than offense, DSJ just can't be the worst defender on the floor if he's going to be part of the plan with Doncic. Smith has been incredibly disappointing defensively.

EricaLubarsky · 11-04-2018, 09:25 PM

Well we may see what it’s like without Luka

He sat out of practice with an injured ankle according to Sefko

SMC0007 · 11-05-2018, 09:05 AM

Too bad it wasn't Wes with an ankle tweak so we could try the lineup we hope for.

Changing the SLU would help kill two birds with one stone. It improves your defense and keeps Wes from screwing up possessions by doing too much with other more competent players on the floor.

Underdog · 11-07-2018, 04:25 AM

Mavs rookie Luka Doncic is opening eyes around the NBA, and win vs. Washington was just a continuation of that
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...t-continuation

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Allow Tuesday's opposing coach, Scott Brooks, to illuminate the big picture for Mavericks fans: Luka Doncic. The rookie's savvy and obvious potential dazzle Brooks.

"I don't look at him as a young player," he said. "He's a legitimate NBA player who's going to be a superstar in this league.

"Every game, you look at him you say, 'OK, you sure this guy is only 19?'"

SMC0007 · 11-08-2018, 01:48 AM

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greenhorn63 · 11-08-2018, 08:18 AM

Luka with 14 year ( 6'2'', 165 lbs.....vision, dunks, floaters....).....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIHUirZkjhI

Who knows what we can expect from this kid in the future????!!!!!

SMC0007 · 11-08-2018, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by greenhorn63

Luka with 14 year ( 6'2'', 165 lbs.....vision, dunks, floaters....).....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIHUirZkjhI

Who knows what we can expect from this kid in the future????!!!!!

We probably can expect him to leave and go win somewhere

greenhorn63 · 11-08-2018, 09:17 AM

I'm from Slovenia and I personally want to stay in Dallas and win something especially for really exceptional Mavs but at the end...that's will be just his decision!

In any case....Dallas Mavericks can try again on draft in 5 years while Slovenia has in Real Madrid Basketball Academy a copy of Luka!

Urban Klavžar, 14 years, 6'7''
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_p-Px8AsWc (14 points in 2 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMzIgpeXZJM

You never know......

Underdog · 11-08-2018, 01:26 PM

@NickVanExit: The only PLAYERS in the NBA that score 20+ points per game and shoot better than 47% from the field and 40% from three are...

Steph Curry
Kemba Walker
Blake Griffin
Kawhi Leonard
Tobias Harris
Buddy Hield
Luka Doncic

@NickVanExit: The only players to do this for the entire season last year were All-Stars

Steph Curry
Kevin Durant
Kyrie Irving
Klay Thompson
Karl-Anthony Towns

@NickVanExit: The last 5 players to hold these numbers and not make the All-Star team.

Bradley Beal 16-17
Goran Dragic 16-17
CJ McCollum 16-17
Goran Dragic 13-14
Kevin Durant 08-09

dirt_dobber · 11-11-2018, 07:39 AM

Tim Cato@tim_cato

Luka Doncic's 12th game: 22 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists, 9-15 shooting in 31 minutes

but three teams passed on him because ...
[checks notes]
the european vets he kept dominating weren't american teenagers?

Luka's Mom · 11-14-2018, 06:22 PM

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Tim Cato@tim_cato

Luka Doncic's 12th game: 22 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists, 9-15 shooting in 31 minutes

but three teams passed on him because ...
[checks notes]
the european vets he kept dominating weren't american teenagers?

I want to frame this tweet.

Underdog · 11-13-2018, 02:15 PM

Luka Doncic Turnover Breakdown (Video)
https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/1...reakdown-video

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Luka Doncic is averaging over 4 turnovers per game. Here’s where all the TOs are coming from and which areas he can clean up

Murphy3 · 11-14-2018, 11:19 AM

He's going to be a 3-3.5 TO per game type guy... just the way he plays the game. So yeah, he can improve a bit, but don't ever expect the Dirk type efficiency with regards to TO's. Dirk created much of the offense both for himself and for his teammates.. but he accomplished it in a different manner. It's just something we're going to have to get used to.

SMC0007 · 11-14-2018, 01:36 PM

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He's going to be a 3-3.5 TO per game type guy... just the way he plays the game. So yeah, he can improve a bit, but don't ever expect the Dirk type efficiency with regards to TO's. Dirk created much of the offense both for himself and for his teammates.. but he accomplished it in a different manner. It's just something we're going to have to get used to.

I don't know why anyone would try to compare them. Doncic will have the ball in his hands trying to create offense in more ways than Dirk. The TO's will be higher but so will the APG...by far.

turin · 11-14-2018, 07:07 PM

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I don't know why anyone would try to compare them. Doncic will have the ball in his hands trying to create offense in more ways than Dirk. The TO's will be higher but so will the APG...by far.

A lot of people don't remember it, but Magic Johnson averaged almost 3.9 TO/game during his career. His BEST year was 3.7. Dynamic playmakers tend to be more aggressive and opportunistic, but obviously, the positives can easily outweigh the negatives. Magic had a decent career for such a turnover machine. ;-)

Luka's Mom · 11-14-2018, 07:40 PM

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A lot of people don't remember it, but Magic Johnson averaged almost 3.9 TO/game during his career. His BEST year was 3.7. Dynamic playmakers tend to be more aggressive and opportunistic, but obviously, the positives can easily outweigh the negatives. Magic had a decent career for such a turnover machine. ;-)

Have to look at the assist to turnover ratio to determine if someone is turning it over too much. 2:1 ratio is pretty good for a PG. Luka had a ratio like that in Europe.

Murphy3 · 11-15-2018, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I don't know why anyone would try to compare them. Doncic will have the ball in his hands trying to create offense in more ways than Dirk. The TO's will be higher but so will the APG...by far.

Which was my point. Dirk created the offense from the post .. it's apples and oranges. Doncic will definitively have more TO's. It will be something that some have to get used to seeing your best player averaging 3+ TO's per game. And for the way he plays the game, that's ok. 4+ a game is a bit too much considering he's not always the primary ball handler on the court..But he will improve.

sefant77 · 11-14-2018, 10:39 PM

Half of the TO coming from DJ half-assing his rolls to the basket

j0Shi · 11-22-2018, 06:24 AM

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/1...a-teams-week-6

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Doncic is averaging 19.2 points, 6.8 rebounds, and 4.1 assists per game, while shooting 45.3 percent from the field and 37.5 percent from 3-point range, and it almost feels like he hasn’t even gotten started yet.

https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/s...12864578281474

Trae Young

burner2014 · 11-22-2018, 02:43 PM

ESPN sees Doncic as ROY so far http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...vp-frontrunner (one vote for Ayton)

hayth.james.g · 11-22-2018, 05:02 PM

How is it that these guys are spinning Young’s start as a positive? He is incredibly inefficient while showing zero positives in the areas of his game people were concerned with coming out of college.