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BEEMER · 07-01-2007, 10:03 PM

The Mavericks' No. 1 target in free agency? Folks in Dallas might have been expecting Mavs killer Matt Barnes, but I'm told it's actually Charlotte's Gerald Wallace. ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...arc&id=2922326

I really hope we land him...this guy would be an amazing fit for us...another one of those player Avery Johnson adores...

a 6'7 forward with athletism out of the roof....he reminds me alot of J-HO except J-HO has the abilty to play guard...where i see Wallace more of a SF....

possibe starting line-up

Devin Harris - Terry
Josh Howard - Stack(if we re-sign)
Gerald Wallace - Howard
Dirk Nowitzki - Fazakes? or FA
Diop/Damp - Diop/Damp

i like this....i like it alot...our 2nd rotation is pretty damn good, this puts us into a 9-man rotation that is very deep and athletic, also very quick defensively...still need inside scoring though, even though Wallace would help alot with his slash/attack the basket style...this is making me excited...

MascisMan · 07-01-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BEEMER

The Mavericks' No. 1 target in free agency? Folks in Dallas might have been expecting Mavs killer Matt Barnes, but I'm told it's actually Charlotte's Gerald Wallace. ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...arc&id=2922326

I really hope we land him...this guy would be an amazing fit for us...another one of those player Avery Johnson adores...

a 6'7 forward with athletism out of the roof....he reminds me alot of J-HO except J-HO has the abilty to play guard...where i see Wallace more of a SF....

possibe starting line-up

Devin Harris - Terry
Josh Howard - Stack(if we re-sign)
Gerald Wallace - Howard
Dirk Nowitzki - Fazakes? or FA
Diop/Damp - Diop/Damp

i like this....i like it alot...our 2nd rotation is pretty damn good, this puts us into a 9-man rotation that is very deep and athletic, also very quick defensively...still need inside scoring though, even though Wallace would help alot with his slash/attack the basket style...this is making me excited...

I really like the idea of Gerald Wallace as well. He is a great defender and loves to score in the paint.

This being said, the lineup you have wouldn't work because we would have to acquire him via sign and trade. Also keep in mind that Charlotte just landed Jason Richardson so they might not be interested in Terry or Stackhouse unless they want a 6th man.

BEEMER · 07-01-2007, 10:14 PM

it could be possible that we lure him in through our MLE which i am hearing is around the 6 million number...reminder that is just the first year salary...wallace could be intrigued by a 3 year-25 million offer....
year 1- 6 million
year 2- 8.5 million
year 3 - 10.5 million....this could even be a team option or player option...not sure how that works....

but if it is via trade....maybe damp? and cash or future picks?

sike · 07-01-2007, 10:34 PM

i wish.

Stranger · 07-01-2007, 11:48 PM

Signing him for the MLE would be ideal. A sign-and-trade for Terry would be great too. If the Bobs feel like they are going to lose him (to Milwaukee perhaps, or Orlando if Lewis falls through), and they don't want to take on Terry's contract, perhaps something like this might work:

Dallas trades:
Mo Ager
future first
s&t Croshere at $5mil for 1 yr
...and maybe the rights to Fazekas

Charlotte trades:
s&t Gerald Wallace for $8mil

mkat · 07-01-2007, 11:55 PM

oo i like him. 18 pts a game, 7.2 rbds...i could get behind that.

ty · 07-02-2007, 12:38 AM

This guy is amazing...I hope we land him.

nashtymavsfan13 · 07-02-2007, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Stranger

Signing him for the MLE would be ideal. A sign-and-trade for Terry would be great too. If the Bobs feel like they are going to lose him (to Milwaukee perhaps, or Orlando if Lewis falls through), and they don't want to take on Terry's contract, perhaps something like this might work:

Dallas trades:
Mo Ager
future first
s&t Croshere at $5mil for 1 yr
...and maybe the rights to Fazekas

Charlotte trades:
s&t Gerald Wallace for $8mil

Wallace is going to want 9-10 mil and I doubt the Bobcats would do a deal like that unless they become very desperate. I think a SnT Terry for Wallace would work out pretty well for both teams.

jacktruth · 07-02-2007, 08:34 AM

For me, I keep asking what we would do with him and Josh Howard. Both of these guys seem to be ideal at the 3. I don't know about Josh's ability to be equally as effective at the 2, same with Wallace. Here are ther numbers in comparison:

Howard Wallace
PPG 18.9 18.1
RPG 6.8 7.2
APG 1.8 2.6
SPG 1.17 2.00
BPG .80 .96
FG% .459 .502
FT% .827 .691
3P% .385 .325
MPG 35.1 36.7

Josh is a better 3-pt shooter and Wallace is a crappy free throw shooter. There certainly isn't enough here to say that Josh's performance at the 3 is a problem for the Mavs.

So why the fascination with Wallace?

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2007, 08:38 AM

Because we believe Josh can play the 2, and that although nearly identical Wallace has a lot more powerful inside/post game while Howard is a heck of a slasher and outside shooter. Wallace also plays defense which would give us a very well-balanced team.

jthig32 · 07-02-2007, 08:47 AM

How on earth are we supposed to land Gerald freaking Wallace with the mid level?

DelNegro · 07-02-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BEEMER

it could be possible that we lure him in through our MLE which i am hearing is around the 6 million number...reminder that is just the first year salary...wallace could be intrigued by a 3 year-25 million offer....
year 1- 6 million
year 2- 8.5 million
year 3 - 10.5 million....this could even be a team option or player option...not sure how that works....

but if it is via trade....maybe damp? and cash or future picks?

Per the CBA raises between contract years are limited to 8% of the first year value when a team signs someone else's free agent. So if you pay him $6 mil in the first year the most you can pay him in the second year is $6.48 mil, and $6.96 mil in the 3rd year.

DelNegro · 07-02-2007, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

Wallace is going to want 9-10 mil and I doubt the Bobcats would do a deal like that unless they become very desperate. I think a SnT Terry for Wallace would work out pretty well for both teams.

They just acquired Jason Richardson and if they're going to pay another player big money they'd probably rather just keep Wallace instead of spending $10 mil a year to replace Ray Felton with Jason Terry.

dude1394 · 07-02-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jacktruth

For me, I keep asking what we would do with him and Josh Howard. Both of these guys seem to be ideal at the 3. I don't know about Josh's ability to be equally as effective at the 2, same with Wallace. Here are ther numbers in comparison:

Howard Wallace
PPG 18.9 18.1
RPG 6.8 7.2
APG 1.8 2.6
SPG 1.17 2.00
BPG .80 .96
FG% .459 .502
FT% .827 .691
3P% .385 .325
MPG 35.1 36.7

Josh is a better 3-pt shooter and Wallace is a crappy free throw shooter. There certainly isn't enough here to say that Josh's performance at the 3 is a problem for the Mavs.

So why the fascination with Wallace?

I think josh would be great at the 2, a rebounding defending 2. So in that case a nice 3 makes a lot of sense.

jthig32 · 07-02-2007, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DelNegro

They just acquired Jason Richardson and if they're going to pay another player big money they'd probably rather just keep Wallace instead of spending $10 mil a year to replace Ray Felton with Jason Terry.

Yeah, I don't see any reason Charlotte would want Terry.

V2M · 07-02-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

How on earth are we supposed to land Gerald freaking Wallace with the mid level?

Very little chance of landing him with the MLE. Only hope is their new coach Sam Vincent likes Terry or Damp enough to do a SnT for him. They wouldn't be too bad a fit for the Cats who are still considerably under the cap and are reportedly looking for veteran players with playoff experience.

If I were the Cats GM, I wouldn't mind taking Terry/Ager or Pops/Cash for Wallace especially if it gets too pricey to retain Wallace straight up. With Knight gone, Terry can combine with Felton & Richardson to form a nice 3-man guard rotation. Also important to note here is Felton is still quite young and Richardson has been known to be injury-prone. Terry gives them the ideal balance they need.

From the Mavs perspective, they can get rid of an older, smaller scorer and get a younger, bigger, multi-dimensional player. We can then move Josh to the 2 spot OR trade Josh/Diop and fillers for Garnett. Either way, it'll make us a much stronger team.

jthig32 · 07-02-2007, 09:18 AM

The Bobcats are notoriously cheap, for the sake of being cheap. Unless the Richardson trade is the starting point of a change in direction, I would consider it their big salary increase of the season.

I don't seem them taking on big contracts, CERTAINLY not Damps. Terry, maye, but I don't see it.

Dirkenstien · 07-02-2007, 10:48 AM

This is the guy we need to get. I proposed in another thread that we make a sign and trade involving Terry, Frazekas, a future first rounder and cash for Wallace.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Because we believe Josh can play the 2, and that although nearly identical Wallace has a lot more powerful inside/post game while Howard is a heck of a slasher and outside shooter. Wallace also plays defense which would give us a very well-balanced team.

I think you're right and I think Howard is morphing into a two guard now with taking more outside jumpers and focusing less on the scrappy stuff.

MavsX · 07-02-2007, 11:05 AM

Jul 2, 2007 10:57am ET
Many Contenders For Gerald Wallace
In THE WASHINGTON TIMES, Mike Cranston of The Associated Press writes "The Charlotte Bobcats face heavy competition in their effort to re-sign leading scorer Gerald Wallace. The Bobcats were one of eight teams that contacted Wallace when the NBA's free agency period began at midnight Saturday. Dallas, Orlando, Milwaukee, Detroit, Miami, Portland and Golden State all made inquiries, a person close to Wallace said Sunday."

http://www.nba.com/news/422851.html?rss=true

alby · 07-02-2007, 11:06 AM

They are not going to want Dampier. They have May, Okafor, and Brezec who are legitimate post players already, they are not going to invest in Dampier's contract for another one, especially foe one that is aging.

If they want to resign Gerald Wallace, they will have Jason Richardson, Gerald Wallace, Adam Morrison, and Matt Carroll locked up in the 2/3 position. IMO, I think that's too many players for two positions. If they were to trade for Jason Terry and give up Gerald Wallace they can go into next season with JRich and Morrison as their starting 2 and 3 respectively. While Terry can be their starting PG and help mentor Felton. With Terry, they can decide to go with the small or quick lineup from time to time. I'm just trying to reason out why the Bobcats would trade away Gerald Wallace... I know I'm living in fantasy land, but I just really want the guy lol (that's why I started a thread just for Wallace).

DelNegro · 07-02-2007, 11:57 AM

Or they could just keep Wallace, let Carroll walk as a free agent and go sign a veteran PG to mentor Felton for a hell of a lot less than what Terry's making.

Dirkenstien · 07-02-2007, 12:20 PM

I think Charlotte could really use another sharp shooter like Terry to help them establish that inside-outside game. Plus, a one-two punch of Terry and Felton with J-Rich running the wing is pretty enticing.

Alby, I really want the guy too.

purplefrog · 07-02-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DelNegro

Or they could just keep Wallace, let Carroll walk as a free agent and go sign a veteran PG to mentor Felton for a hell of a lot less than what Terry's making.

If this were the plan, then why waive Brevin Knight?? Felton is more of a shooter than a distributor, maybe Knight is not the right mentor... Terry on the other hand might be a better fit.

bernardos70 · 07-02-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DelNegro

Or they could just keep Wallace, let Carroll walk as a free agent and go sign a veteran PG to mentor Felton for a hell of a lot less than what Terry's making.

You mean like brevin knight?

EDIT: ze purple frog beat me to it.

DelNegro · 07-02-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

If this were the plan, then why waive Brevin Knight?? Felton is more of a shooter than a distributor, maybe Knight is not the right mentor... Terry on the other hand might be a better fit.

Terry may well be a better mentor, but giving up Gerald Wallace to get better mentoring for Ray Felton is a pretty steep price to pay. The Bobcats have cap space. They can go sign someone to mentor Felton without having to give up anything.

Bottom line, there is no scenario where the Bobcats come out ahead by having Jason Terry on their roster instead of Gerald Wallace.

DelNegro · 07-02-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bernardos70

You mean like brevin knight?

EDIT: ze purple frog beat me to it.

They obviously didn't think Knight was the guy, but there are several other options besides giving up your leading scorer and agreeing to take on Terry's bloated contract.

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2007, 01:34 PM

throw the MLE to Brevin, resign everyone but Croshere, and Trade our draft picks next year and anyone young who's name isnt Harris or Fazekas plus cash for Gerald Wallace.

Damp/Diop/M'Benga
Dirk/Fazekas/George/Mensa Bonsu
Wallace/Howard/George
Howard/Stackhouse
Terry/Harris/Barea

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-02-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Yeah, I don't see any reason Charlotte would want Terry.

Well it's MJ we'd be dealing with. As great of a player he was he's an even worse GM. You may quote that.

bobatundi · 07-02-2007, 02:12 PM

What if we worked this as two separate trades and gave Charlotte some relief?

Trade #1:
Charlotte sends us Othella Harrington in exchange for our trade exception generated in the Anthony Johnson deal. Charlotte saves $2.5MM on a guy that doesn't play for them anyway; we get an expiring contract that could be part of a trade later this year and don't let the trade exception expire unused.

Trade #2:
We send some combination of players & picks to Charlotte totalling $5.925MM. This could include a sign&trade Jerry Stackhouse--strikes me as a guy MJ would love to have--or some of our younger, but expendable, prospects like Ager, R. Terry or Pops, and/or throw in a future draft pick. Or an "expiring" KVH contract. Plus you kick in $3MM cash.
$5.925MM out allows us to take back $8MM (5.925MM + 25% + 100k). Because it's a sign and trade, Wallace can get 10.5% raises--so he gets a 3-year deal worth $26.6MM. Maybe with a player option for years 4 & 5, depending how badly we want him, which could make it a 5-year, $49.3MM contract or even a 6-year, $62.5MM contract (please note I'm not necessarily advocating we pay $62.5MM to Wallace, just pointing out that we could).

Charlotte saves $2.5MM for Harrington (Jake Voskuhl works here too) and gets another $3MM cash, so whatever they get in return only costs them net around $400k. If that gets them Stackhouse, Ager, or a future first rounder, in exchange for a guy they would have lost anyway, perhaps they pull the trigger. Could also do as another poster on here suggested with the lengthy deferred money on a buyout of a created expiring contract, meaning that Charlotte would actually MAKE money on the deal.

edit: changed from 10% to 10.5% raises after re-reading Larry Coon's FAQ

DelNegro · 07-02-2007, 02:47 PM

The Suns might be looking to sell off players for cash, but the Bobcats aren't. If the Bobcats were that worried about saving some bucks they wouldn't have brought in Jason Richardson. They're looking to get better now and Gerald Wallace helps them do that more than Stackhouse and anyone else the mavs could toss their way.

Also, I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the Mavs lost all rights to KVH yesterday. It's now the 2007-2008 season meaning KVH has been a free agent for a full season. I'm pretty sure bird rights expire after a year.

bobatundi · 07-02-2007, 02:56 PM

If the alternative is losing Wallace they might be interested though.

Not sure on KVH, but we can still manufacture an expiring contract out of Cro, as long as he plays along.

bobatundi · 07-02-2007, 02:58 PM

Oh, and if the Bobcats are really looking to get better, they should get a real GM. I agree with the earlier poster, Jordan was a great player, but he is a horrible GM.

DelNegro · 07-02-2007, 03:13 PM

If Wallace just decides that he just has to be a Mav and would be willing to take the MLE to be one then that might force Charlotte's hand into taking a deal for Terry or whomever. But I don't think that's the case. Wallace is probably just looking for a payday and as long as the Bobcats pony up market value he'll just re-sign there.

And agreed that MJ is a crappy GM.

Dirkadirkastan · 07-02-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by V2M

OR trade Josh/Diop and fillers for Garnett.

Get that done.

bobatundi · 07-02-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DelNegro

If Wallace just decides that he just has to be a Mav and would be willing to take the MLE to be one then that might force Charlotte's hand into taking a deal for Terry or whomever. But I don't think that's the case. Wallace is probably just looking for a payday and as long as the Bobcats pony up market value he'll just re-sign there.

And agreed that MJ is a crappy GM.

Pretty much the case that ALL NBA players are just looking for a payday. When is the last time anyone took below their "market value" to go to a contender? Malone & Payton to the Lakers? Other than that, it seems like every year all the UFAs and guys who opt out to become FAs are just looking for the biggest possible payday, which by rule can only come from their current team. It's a rare occasion that any team has enough cap room to offer someone a near-max deal when their own team won't (Nash, Ben Wallace), and usually if such a team exists, who the hell wants to play there (Hawks).

bobatundi · 07-03-2007, 11:10 AM

Didn't realize Wallace is only 24. That increases my appetite to bring him here.

Mavs Rule · 07-03-2007, 12:31 PM

I love Wallace as much as the next guy, and he is my first choice of realistic guys to have here, but he is commanding at least $8-10 Million/year, and he has said that the Bobcats gave him a chance to play, after sitting on the bench in Sac for all those years. So he could be loyal to them. But rumour also has it that his house in Charlotte is on the market, so who really knows. All I know is that he would be a perfect fit here in Dallas, and could single handedly be the difference maker in allowing us to win the championship. If we only lose Terry out of the deal, I could live with that.

V2M · 07-03-2007, 01:18 PM

If Raw Lew gets $15mil/yr... don't see how G-Wall settles for anything less than $12mil/yr

bobatundi · 07-03-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by V2M

If Raw Lew gets $15mil/yr... don't see how G-Wall settles for anything less than $12mil/yr

Easy--if nobody offers it to him. There are worse things in life than "settling" for $8MM a year.