02-01-2021, 06:11 PM
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WaysDallas Mavericks can improve 3-point shooting: 4. Less Luka heat checks, more in rhythm
Luka Doncic is second on the team in threes attempted but has connected on just 29.4 percent. Fans were hoping to see the 21-year-old superstar make a massive leap in his outside shooting after hitting just 31.6 percent last season, but that has not happened in the team’s first 20 games.
Luka needs to stop taking heat check 3-pointers early in the shot clock. He is nine for 31 this season with 15-plus seconds left on the shot timer when he fires away. Last season, Doncic was just 57 of 181 or 31.5 percent. He struggles with the shot clock running down too.
Luka needs to get his triples in the rhythm of the offense. He was 100 out of 278 with the shot clock between 15 and four seconds last season. Doncic is a willing shooter that is dangerous from the outside. Teams cover him because of it. Luka needs to improve his shot selection to climb out of his early-season 3-point shooting funk.
Way Dallas Mavericks can improve 3-point shooting: 2. More Maxi, Doe-Doe, and JRich
The Mavs traded Seth Curry to acquire Josh Richardson on draft night 2020. They knew they were giving up one of the best 3-point shooters in the league, but Dallas needed to improve their middle of the pack defense to jump into title contention.
t is still too early to grade this trade. The Mavericks would not be last in 3-point shooting with Curry, but JRich is one of five players who missed significant time in the health and safety protocols.
Richardson is career 36.0 percent 3-point that is shooting 28.1 percent over 57 attempts. He has hit 14 of 49 wide open threes so far. The Mavericks need to feed Richardson more threes and watch his percentage rise.
Maxi Kleber missed 11 straight games in the health and safety protocols. He is an important floor spacer for the Mavs. He shot 37.3 percent last season and gives them a stretch four to play off of Luka Doncic and Kristaps Porzingis. His return should bump the team’s 3-point shooting instantly.
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02-01-2021, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SMC0007
My point is KP doesn't need to shoot from that far out. Can he hit some of those? Sure. But he's 7'3 he can shoot over anyone. Many of those super long 3s haven't been necessary imo.
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That’s a fair point. He doesn’t have to shoot Curry threes to be open, because of his height. He was effective from deep last year, though. After comparing the shot charts, it looks like he’s started shooting the baseline three more, so there’s that at least.
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02-01-2021, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FreshJive
That’s a fair point. He doesn’t have to shoot Curry threes to be open, because of his height. He was effective from deep last year, though. After comparing the shot charts, it looks like he’s started shooting the baseline three more, so there’s that at least.
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Yea. Agreed. Keep mixing it up and get a little closer to the line on those 3s. It's not like they were way off line, it's just soo many hit front rim dead on. If he were a step or 2 closer his percentage would be way up
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02-04-2021, 02:17 PM
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The Mavs are DEAD LAST in the 3pt shooting this season. That... is a problem. I frankly don't understand why it's happening. Almost everyone on this roster can shoot, historically speaking. I don't think we can blame this one on covid.
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02-06-2021, 09:28 PM
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I thought this team needed more shooting going into the season and was told that I was wrong here...never thought this was a great shooting group
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02-11-2021, 09:27 AM
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The biggest issues with our three point shooting are (in order) DFS, Richardson, Porzingis, Luka.
DFS gets the best looks of the four and just needs to hit them.
Richardson shoots off the bounce more but also gets good looks he needs to hit.
KP has fallen in love with the super deep 3 right past the half court line. We need to do more to get him better looks, but he also needs to just take a step in and trust Luka to creat a look for him.
Luka continues to shoot those heat check step back threes, and he continues to miss them. He’s last on this list because that shot does more to create spacing and offense for the Mavs than any other single play.
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02-11-2021, 09:42 AM
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Kleber 47.2%
THJ 39.9%
Brunson 39.3%
Burke 39.1%
DFS 34.1%
Porzingis 32.6%
Doncic 30.9%
Richardson 30.4%
Johnson 28.0%
WCS 25.0%
Hinton 20.0%
Green 16.7%
Powell 14.3%
Iwundu 13.0%
Boban 0.0%
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02-11-2021, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by tap2390
The biggest issues with our three point shooting are (in order) DFS, Richardson, Porzingis, Luka.
DFS gets the best looks of the four and just needs to hit them.
Richardson shoots off the bounce more but also gets good looks he needs to hit.
KP has fallen in love with the super deep 3 right past the half court line. We need to do more to get him better looks, but he also needs to just take a step in and trust Luka to creat a look for him.
Luka continues to shoot those heat check step back threes, and he continues to miss them. He’s last on this list because that shot does more to create spacing and offense for the Mavs than any other single play.
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KP has it bad with the long ass 3's. He needs to get closer, simple as that.
Luka is working his way back out of the 9% hole.
Maxi is making up for a few others for sure, but we need everyone to bump it up a notch.
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02-11-2021, 12:46 PM
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Can we not pass the ball to Maxi more(LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU THJ) when he is open behind the arc? Or...can we not run some plays that get him more touches?
Or are we saving that for possible playoffs?
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02-11-2021, 12:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SMC0007
Luka is working his way back out of the 9% hole.
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Luka in December - 10%
Luka in January - 33%
Luka in February - 36%
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02-13-2021, 11:30 AM
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Luka in Dec 9.5%
Luka in Jan 33.0%
Luka in Feb 40.0%
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02-13-2021, 12:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Quantum
Can we not pass the ball to Maxi more(LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU THJ) when he is open behind the arc? Or...can we not run some plays that get him more touches?
Or are we saving that for possible playoffs?
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LOL
THJ when you look at most box score seems to be the only Mavs payer who ends the games without a single assist.
Last night was a perfect example, they put up 140 points and he didn't register one assist
I think he's in the perfect role now as 6th man but come on sometimes you got to pass the ball and feed your big men. He's one of the reason's why when Luka leaves the game and KP stays on the floor you won't see KP get many shots with that 2nd unit.
I mean Jordan Clarkson and Lou Williams each have that shoot 1st mentality as 6th man but you also see them mixing it up and getting other guys the rock.
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02-13-2021, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dallas41
LOL
THJ when you look at most box score seems to be the only Mavs payer who ends the games without a single assist.
Last night was a perfect example, they put up 140 points and he didn't register one assist
I think he's in the perfect role now as 6th man but come on sometimes you got to pass the ball and feed your big men. He's one of the reason's why when Luka leaves the game and KP stays on the floor you won't see KP get many shots with that 2nd unit.
I mean Jordan Clarkson and Lou Williams each have that shoot 1st mentality as 6th man but you also see them mixing it up and getting other guys the rock.
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He has one of the best looking shots in the game...he makes shots too. But damn...dude has bad tunnel vision when ball is in his hands.
If he doesnt take the three and decides to put the ball on the floor...no one else is getting the ball. Almost like what going on in his head is "Shot clock is low...I gotta make something happen"
Its crazy how his dad was a sweet dribbler....but THJ seems stiff...he doesnt have the natural gift/feel for dribbling unfortunately. If he could dribble better(more creative at getting past the defender) and finish at the rim more...he would amazing. A lot of guys would be amazing with another skill in their bag...but why I say this with THJ is because most guys in the League have good dribbles and decent finishers playing 1-3 position.
He has gotten more aggressive at taking it to the rim(at least to me it seems that way from last year to this year...dont know about his early days) which I like...and it will help him get paid long term...but he needs to focus on passing after putting the ball on the floor.
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02-13-2021, 02:17 PM
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Luka in Dec 9.5%
Luka in Jan 33.0%
Luka in Feb 40.0%
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KP in December - DNP
KP in January - 28.6%
KP in February - 44.9%
THJ in December - 40.7%
THJ in January - 38.3%
THJ in February - 42.1%
DFS in December - 27.3%
DFS in January - 35.9%
DFS in February - 44.8%
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02-13-2021, 03:15 PM
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KP in December - DNP
KP in January - 28.6%
KP in February - 44.9%
THJ in December - 40.7%
THJ in January - 38.3%
THJ in February - 42.1%
DFS in December - 27.3%
DFS in January - 35.9%
DFS in February - 44.8%
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Nice! Now we just need Richardson to get on track. He's shooting 34% in February, which is still below his career average but is at least a massive improvement from the 20% or so he was at before.
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02-13-2021, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Quantum
He has one of the best looking shots in the game...he makes shots too. But damn...dude has bad tunnel vision when ball is in his hands.
If he doesnt take the three and decides to put the ball on the floor...no one else is getting the ball. Almost like what going on in his head is "Shot clock is low...I gotta make something happen"
Its crazy how his dad was a sweet dribbler....but THJ seems stiff...he doesnt have the natural gift/feel for dribbling unfortunately. If he could dribble better(more creative at getting past the defender) and finish at the rim more...he would amazing. A lot of guys would be amazing with another skill in their bag...but why I say this with THJ is because most guys in the League have good dribbles and decent finishers playing 1-3 position.
He has gotten more aggressive at taking it to the rim(at least to me it seems that way from last year to this year...dont know about his early days) which I like...and it will help him get paid long term...but he needs to focus on passing after putting the ball on the floor.
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You are spot on with that assessment of him.
Could you imagine if THJ had handles....he would be awesome because then when defenders close out on him respecting that jumper he could mix it up and drive more.
That's the thing which separates him from a Devin Booker, Donovan Mitchell or Zach Lavine types they can all be used as primary ball handlers because they have handles.
God Shammgod is the ball handling coach and he was amazing handling the rock back in his days as a player. I'm sure he works with THJ every day but he probably just doesn't have that skill set his like his daddy LOL
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02-25-2021, 01:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
Luka in Dec 9.5%
Luka in Jan 33.0%
Luka in Feb 40.0%
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Update:
Luka in Dec 9.5%
Luka in Jan 33.0%
Luka in Feb 44.7%
He has now had his three-point percentage from the year climb from under 8% at one point to an overall of 35%
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03-01-2021, 09:19 PM
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Update:
Luka in Dec 9.5%
Luka in Jan 33.0%
Luka in Feb 44.7%
He has now had his three-point percentage from the year climb from under 8% at one point to an overall of 35%
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Luka in Dec 9.5%
Luka in Jan 33.0%
Luka in Feb 44.7%
Luka in Mar 50.0%
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03-01-2021, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
Luka in Dec 9.5%
Luka in Jan 33.0%
Luka in Feb 44.7%
Luka in Mar 50.0%
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at this rate he'll be hitting 66% by end of season 75% in the early playoffs and won't miss at all in the finals.
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03-01-2021, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
Luka in Dec 9.5%
Luka in Jan 33.0%
Luka in Feb 44.7%
Luka in Mar 50.0%
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This is fantastic. I expect him to come back to down to earth, but here's hoping him coming down to earth is like 37% instead of 31%.
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03-01-2021, 09:41 PM
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This is fantastic. I expect him to come back to down to earth, but here's hoping him coming down to earth is like 37% instead of 31%.
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So he will hit roughly 80% by playoffs.
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03-02-2021, 10:58 AM
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I am extremely impressed by Brunson’s shot. Let’s hope that he had taken the step to where he will consistently be a 37% shooter or better.
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03-09-2021, 09:45 AM
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Brunson in Dec - 27.3%
Brunson in Jan - 46.9%
Brunson in Feb - 40.9%
Dodo in Dec - 27.3%
Dodo in Jan - 35.9%
Dodo in Feb - 40.4%
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03-14-2021, 01:08 PM
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League leaders in three point shooting
1) Joe Harris (BKN) - 49.8%
2) Bobby Portis (MIL) - 48.8%
3) Maxi Kleber (DAL) - 46.9%
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03-14-2021, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
League leaders in three point shooting
1) Joe Harris (BKN) - 49.8%
2) Bobby Portis (MIL) - 48.8%
3) Maxi Kleber (DAL) - 46.9%
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I know he is a bit of a head case but I thought Portis should have been one of our FA targets last off-season.
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03-30-2021, 03:53 PM
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Three point shooting watch - Overall
Kleber - 44.4%
THJ - 39.7%
Brunson - 39.2%
Burke - 37.4%
Doncic - 36.8%
KP - 36.5%
DFS - 35.1%
JRich - 31.6%
Powell - 23.5%
Hinton - 16.7%
Green - 13.3%
WCS - 12.5%
Three point shooting watch - March
Kleber - 42.9%
Doncic - 41.0%
THJ - 41.0%
Porzingis - 39.4%
Brunson - 34.2%
Richardson - 33.9%
DFS - 31.7%
Burke - 28.0%
Powell - 23.5%
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03-30-2021, 07:37 PM
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I'm genuinely amazed at Luka's improved 3pt%. The sample size is large enough now that it doesn't just seem like he's on a hot streak but has really figured it out long term.
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03-30-2021, 08:49 PM
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I'm genuinely amazed at Luka's improved 3pt%. The sample size is large enough now that it doesn't just seem like he's on a hot streak but has really figured it out long term.
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I'm truly amazed considering the HORRIBLE start he had
Shooting over 40% from 3 each of the last two months
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04-07-2021, 12:29 PM
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Overall three-point shooting stats for 2020-2021
Sharpshooters
Kleber - 43.3%
Brunson - 40.0%
THJ - 39.4%
Good enough to be dangerous
Burke - 37.3%
Doncic - 37.0%
KP - 36.9%
DFS - 36.7%
Melli - 33.3%
Only when wide open
J-Rich - 31.8%
Powell - 26.3%
Should not be taking threes
Hinton -16.7%
WCS - 12.5%
Green - 11.8%
Boban - 0.0%
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04-09-2021, 04:24 PM
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2: Josh Richardson has missed his last 12 three-point attempts.
Since his perfect 5 for 5 performance from deep against the Utah Jazz, Richardson’s shot has looked broken on a high volume of attempts, including an attempt tonight that hit the side of the backboard. It’s very confusing how during some really great possessions of ball movement, it’s the worst shooter who’s taking semi-contested shots that should be taken by literally anyone else.
Richardson did have some nice finishes around the rim including an and-one, but any jumper from beyond 5 feet tends to look ugly. A big part of his game is to get by his defender and pull up for a mid-range attempt, but those tend to brick as well. Hopefully he can find some consistency with his shot, or at least restrain himself from shooting with the confidence of Tim Hardaway Jr.
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04-11-2021, 03:00 AM
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This is fantastic. I expect him to come back to down to earth, but here's hoping him coming down to earth is like 37% instead of 31%.
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I don't know that there is any reason he can't be a consistent 40%+.
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04-27-2021, 12:06 PM
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Welp.
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04-27-2021, 12:26 PM
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Overall three-point shooting stats for 2020-2021
Sharpshooters
Reddick - 53.7%
Kleber - 41.3%
Good enough to be dangerous
Brunson - 38.6%
DFS - 38.7%
THJ - 37.6%
Burke - 36.5%
KP - 36.3%
Doncic - 35.8%
Only when wide open
J-Rich - 31.6%
Melli - 30.4%
Should not be taking threes
Powell - 25.0%
Hinton -16.7%
WCS - 12.5%
Green - 11.8%
Boban - 0.0%
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Playoff 3pt%
THJ - 48.6%
Kleber - 47.1%
Brunson - 45.5%
Doncic - 42.9%
DFS - 39.1%
JRich - 37.5%
KP - 36.8%
Burke/Melli - 0%
Everyone else - no attempts
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06-05-2021, 12:34 PM
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I think those #s are inflated by the 1st two games.
Seems like several of those players are shooting low 30's between games 3-6 and I know Kleber, DFS and Brunson have all had difficulty just getting off shots (getting their stuff blocked often)
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06-05-2021, 01:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
Overall three-point shooting stats for 2020-2021
Sharpshooters
Kleber - 43.3%
Brunson - 40.0%
THJ - 39.4%
Good enough to be dangerous
Burke - 37.3%
Doncic - 37.0%
KP - 36.9%
DFS - 36.7%
Melli - 33.3%
Only when wide open
J-Rich - 31.8%
Powell - 26.3%
Should not be taking threes
Hinton -16.7%
WCS - 12.5%
Green - 11.8%
Boban - 0.0%
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Saddiq Bey 38% on 6.6 attempts per game. Not bad for the obvious draft choice that the MBT outsmarted themselves on.
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06-05-2021, 03:01 PM
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Quote:
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Saddiq Bey 38% on 6.6 attempts per game. Not bad for the obvious draft choice that the MBT outsmarted themselves on.
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Do you think that Jet Terry his ast. coach at AZ might of played a part in the reason we took Green at 18?
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06-08-2021, 09:37 AM
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Quote:
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Saddiq Bey 38% on 6.6 attempts per game. Not bad for the obvious draft choice that the MBT outsmarted themselves on.
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Still pissed about Saadiq Bey. That pick was so easy to make even the Pistons knew to make it.
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06-08-2021, 12:51 PM
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Still pissed about Saadiq Bey. That pick was so easy to make even the Pistons knew to make it.
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Yeah, I don’t understand why we didn’t take him. 3&D guy with size. He comes from a good school with great coaching (Villanova with Jay Wright) who’s players typically have a high BBIQ which Rick always covets. Nothing we can do about it now but hope Green can make an impact next season.
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