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Dtownsfinest · 02-05-2023, 04:28 PM

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Bird rights don?t mean shit if he doesn?t want to be here.

Yeah but if you let him and Wood walk?.all of sudden you have cap space?

JustJay · 02-05-2023, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Yeah but if you let him and Wood walk?.all of sudden you have cap space?

Plan powder 2.0, we are going to do so much winning with that powder this time!

Melonhead · 02-05-2023, 03:53 PM

The Nets successfully pry the two players they wanted most from Dallas -- Spencer Dinwiddie and Dorian Finney-Smith -- in this trade ... while the Mavericks take one of the largest gambles in franchise history to put an elite scorer/ballhandler next to MVP candidate Luka Dončić.

From Stein.

Cuban is the worst negotiator. They got the 2 guys they wanted and picks lmao

Dtownsfinest · 02-05-2023, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

The Nets successfully pry the two players they wanted most from Dallas -- Spencer Dinwiddie and Dorian Finney-Smith -- in this trade ... while the Mavericks take one of the largest gambles in franchise history to put an elite scorer/ballhandler next to MVP candidate Luka Dončić.

From Stein.

Cuban is the worst negotiator. They got the 2 guys they wanted and picks lmao

They got a top talent for solid role players?.they already got him on a bargain anymore posturing they trade with someone else.

Thespiralgoeson · 02-05-2023, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

The Nets successfully pry the two players they wanted most from Dallas -- Spencer Dinwiddie and Dorian Finney-Smith -- in this trade ... while the Mavericks take one of the largest gambles in franchise history to put an elite scorer/ballhandler next to MVP candidate Luka Dončić.

From Stein.

Cuban is the worst negotiator. They got the 2 guys they wanted and picks lmao

If that's an overpay, it's a very small one. If you think Cuban is the worst negotiator, remember what the Wolves gave up for Gobert. Two role players and a couple of picks is a sensible price for a bonafied star and unquestionable future Hall of Famer who's still in his prime or very close to it.

That being said, no question it is a massive gamble given Kyrie's historic level of baggage.

EricaLubarsky · 02-05-2023, 03:58 PM

First reaction: WTF, this is terrible

Second reaction: I hate it. We get a Morris bro too that Luka hates?

Third take: I want to give it a chance.

[b]WORST CASE[b]
Kyrie doesn't re-sign and we end up with Luka, less talent, and one less FRP
OR
Kyrie re-signs, Luka hates him and forces his way out. Kyrie is our John Wall and we are the Wizards (ew). That 2029 unprotected ends up being#1 overall with all the shit and Nets get the next LeBron/Jordan.

BEST CASE (trying to be optimistic)
Mavs went to the WCF with Brunson. Kyrie is a slightly better Brunson AND we have Wood now too meaning that at least on paper we are a more talented team (time will tell if more talent=better, though). Center is still fucked but we have a starting PF who is starting-caliber and has good height in Wood (6'11" vs. Dodo's 6'7")

SD was alright, but he was a defensive nightmare and was very hot/cold while Kyrie is much more consistent. DFS was one of my favorites, but his natural position was PF and at 6'7", he was both not tall enough and played the same position as our third star in Wood.

Mavs still have 2027 and if we can somehow net Poeltl or even someone like Bamba, we can be a much better team overall. If we can stay dominant, the 2029 pick will be 20-30 and thus not that important.

BPo001 · 02-05-2023, 04:16 PM

I?m assuming with DFS being moved that means we are keeping Bullock unless we move him for another 3D wing.

SMC0007 · 02-05-2023, 04:17 PM

Immediate reaction. We salvaged a good contract and usable player if put in the right role- Dfs. We gave up SD a legit 2nd option on most nights and a 1st rnd pick which i dont care a ton about except its for a 40 game rental. The redeeming quality is that
minimally someone in the FO at least for a moment realized the desperation to get Luka actual help.

Secondarily, we have a massive shit show to watch implode now. The countdown starts now. I dont mean just Kryie, I mean ehat happens to C Wood and what happens to Kyrie in offseason.

Dtownsfinest · 02-05-2023, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Immediate reaction. We salvaged a good contract and usable player if put in the right role- Dfs. We gave up SD a legit 2nd option on most nights and a 1st rnd pick which i dont care a ton about except its for a 40 game rental. The redeeming quality is that
minimally someone in the FO at least for a moment realized the desperation to get Luka actual help.

Secondarily, we have a massive shit show to watch implode now. The countdown starts now. I dont mean just Kryie, I mean ehat happens to C Wood and what happens to Kyrie in offseason.

Dinwiddie was our second star but on a contender he probably was at best a 3rd talent.

saclare · 02-05-2023, 04:18 PM

Wait, so now there's people hemming and hawing about losing role players and gaining a bonafide star? I like the aggressiveness by the front office here. Could give two shits about a 1st round pick 6 years from now. If it was the 2027 pick along with the two guys we gave up, that's a different level of risk with Kyrie expiring and tough sledding to get back to being a contender and keeping Luka happy here.

Of course, this all could very well backfire. But that's the risk and I'm willing to take it. Speaks to some level that Nico and Kidd were both front runners for this trade. I could see this sparking a run, BUT, if it were up to me, this is the type of move that necessitates another or two in the coming days. Getting Morris helps out quite a bit on depth and rebounding. Still needing a legit center and this team could go deeeep. Hell, wouldn't mind adding another shooter. I wonder if Seth Curry was ever brought up?

JustJay · 02-05-2023, 04:19 PM

Wood for Zubac I do that right now if the Clippers agree (they may not), and Zubac is going to cost less. He signed a 3 year 32 million dollar deal last year.

Budapest Maverick · 02-05-2023, 04:20 PM

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Wood for Zubac I do that right now if the Clippers agree (they may not), and Zubac is going to cost less. He signed a 3 year 32 million dollar deal last year.

No way they do this. Zubac is a difference maker from them, they are not going to trade him to what is probably their biggest rival team in the last couple of years. They try to win with Kawhi and PG, as difficult as that sounds.

JustJay · 02-05-2023, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

No way they do this. Zubac is a difference maker from them, they are not going to trade him to what is probably their biggest rival team in the last couple of years. They try to win with Kawhi and PG, as difficult as that sounds.

Well all I know is they are interested in Wood. They can't get him without giving something back. But you're probably right about Zubac.

Dtownsfinest · 02-05-2023, 04:31 PM

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No way they do this. Zubac is a difference maker from them, they are not going to trade him to what is probably their biggest rival team in the last couple of years. They try to win with Kawhi and PG, as difficult as that sounds.

Wood is a superior player to Zubac. I wouldn?t trade Wood for him straight up I?d need more.

JustJay · 02-05-2023, 04:32 PM

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Wood is a superior player to Zubac. I wouldn?t trade Wood for him straight up I?d need more.

I would because Zubac is a better defender (we have plenty of firepower on offense) and his contract is more reasonable, and it's better than losing Wood for nothing by a mile. I agree with the other poster though that Clippers won't do it.

Dtownsfinest · 02-05-2023, 04:34 PM

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I would because Zubac is a better defender (we have plenty of firepower on offense) and his contract is more reasonable, and it's better than losing Wood for nothing by a mile. I agree with the other poster though that Clippers won't do it.

I agree Zubac would fill a need but I disagree Clippers wouldn?t do it. There?s a reason they are looking at Wood. I mean they have nothing else to offer. They can?t think Morris and Reggie Jackson would be enough. That?s a joke.

Budapest Maverick · 02-05-2023, 04:55 PM

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Wood is a superior player to Zubac. I wouldn?t trade Wood for him straight up I?d need more.

He is much better offensively, but there is an equally big gap in their defense. I guess we can agree that Zubac right now, would be a much better fit for us with our two biggest problems (defense and rebounding).

Budapest Maverick · 02-05-2023, 04:19 PM

What else can we do? If you do this, you gotta have a follow-up idea. Can we trade for Crowder?

Dtownsfinest · 02-05-2023, 04:33 PM

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What else can we do? If you do this, you gotta have a follow-up idea. Can we trade for Crowder?

Phoenix has to be willing to take anything for him he?s just sitting there. Should be given away for free.

JustJay · 02-05-2023, 04:34 PM

Crowder for Powell + 2nd round pick
Zubac for Wood

That's a good team (not that I really think those will happen, just dreaming. But I also didn't believe we'd get Kyrie and here we are)

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-05-2023, 04:37 PM

Of course this happens when I?m out with plans. I?ll post my thoughts later but superstars don?t grow on trees.

JustJay · 02-05-2023, 04:40 PM

JustJay · 02-05-2023, 04:42 PM

History has proven over and over with this franchise since young Dirk days it's better to just build the best team you can and have some decent young players and trade them for somebody good than to save cap space and try to sign a superstar which never works out.

JustJay · 02-05-2023, 04:45 PM

Simon2 · 02-05-2023, 04:46 PM

Mavs win the championship and they get dismantled the next year. Mavs go to WCF and they get dismantled again. Very strange thinking.

JustJay · 02-05-2023, 04:47 PM

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Mavs win the championship and they get dismantled the next year. Mavs go to WCF and they get dismantled again. Very strange thinking.

We didn't dismantle anything this time. This team was not a contender, and overachieved last season and lost Brunson.

twistaeffect2004 · 02-05-2023, 04:59 PM

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Mavs win the championship and they get dismantled the next year. Mavs go to WCF and they get dismantled again. Very strange thinking.

Do you honestly think this team, as constructed was going to even sniff the WCF again? The usage rate for Luka is astronomical and NOT realistic.

Simon2 · 02-05-2023, 05:06 PM

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Do you honestly think this team, as constructed was going to even sniff the WCF again? The usage rate for Luka is astronomical and NOT realistic.

Honestly, I think they could go back. However, winning is another story. This might take them over the hump. Who is the defensive stopper at small forward now?

SMC0007 · 02-05-2023, 05:13 PM

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Honestly, I think they could go back. However, winning is another story. This might take them over the hump. Who is the defensive stopper at small forward now?

We didn't have a stopper at SF before the trade. Green might be it, next season and beyond.

Dallas41 · 02-05-2023, 05:16 PM

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Honestly, I think they could go back. However, winning is another story. This might take them over the hump. Who is the defensive stopper at small forward now?

Josh Green

No way THJ continues to start.

I think they need a rim protector but chances are if no trade is made Green and Bullock might start together on the wings

SMC0007 · 02-05-2023, 05:19 PM

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Josh Green

No way THJ continues to start.

I think they need a rim protector but chances are if no trade is made Green and Bullock might start together on the wings

Josh Green is the no brainer addition moving THJ to the bench. And based off decisions thus far this season, we know that means we won't see that

Dallas41 · 02-05-2023, 05:11 PM

OK so they definitely need to go out and get that rim protector with Luka and Kyire playing together.

Someone is going to have cover up their mistakes when teams go at them right

Bamba or Noel has to be a must pickup at tthis point IMO

I simply don't trust Powell.

Otherwise there best chance for defense around Luka and Kyrie would be Wood, Green, Bullock, Kyrie and Luka

SMC0007 · 02-05-2023, 05:16 PM

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OK so they definitely need to go out and get that rim protector with Luka and Kyire playing together.

Someone is going to have cover up their mistakes when teams go at them right

Bamba or Noel has to be a must pickup at tthis point IMO

I simply don't trust Powell.

Otherwise there best chance for defense around Luka and Kyrie would be Wood, Green, Bullock, Kyrie and Luka

Another trade is ideal, but Maxi and Wood might be passable when both are back healthy and we need to see if Silva can contribute.

dirt_dobber · 02-05-2023, 04:53 PM

excited to see Luka playing "off ball" at times as he did when Dragic was running point for Slov.
We were riding Luka hard - and when he was off the court our offense really struggled.
Kyrie can handle the ball probably better than anyone else in the league.

twistaeffect2004 · 02-05-2023, 04:57 PM

This was necessary. For all of Kyries warts, dude is a legit superstar and is easily the best player to ever team up with Luka. It also takes a major load off of Lukas shoulders from
a ball handling perspective.

Sometimes you have to take gambles. Go. For. It. We are wasting years of Luka behind mid names like DFS and Dinwiddie. To turn those two guys into Kyrie is insane.

Win now. I love this move.

SMC0007 · 02-05-2023, 05:01 PM

Zubac for Wood is Ludacris. And Clips would do it just so they don't have to watch Luka top Zubac in embarrassing fashion in front of 30k people every game.

Simon2 · 02-05-2023, 05:28 PM

I guess you can think of it this way, Lebron and Irving won a ring with spares. Maybe Luka is the second coming (or even better) than Lebron and they win together. Wood is not a spare but they need to extend him.

JustJay · 02-05-2023, 06:07 PM

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I guess you can think of it this way, Lebron and Irving won a ring with spares. Maybe Luka is the second coming (or even better) than Lebron and they win together. Wood is not a spare but they need to extend him.

Kevin Love b sad

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-05-2023, 05:42 PM

Ok, so all you had to do was look at the team's stats when Luka doesn't play. Bottom of the league in nearly every category. This was bigger than just trying to fix the rebounding or defense. We needed an infusion of big time talent.

This was just a perfect trade at the perfect time type of situation. We had just enough assets AND we can have max cap space this summer if it doesn't work out. That's worth the risk.

Plus, we all knew shit wasn't gonna happen otherwise. We're not getting Lavine or OG. Probably not Bojan either.

I will say that we can now start working on all in moves now. Like Crowder from Phx etc.

EricaLubarsky · 02-05-2023, 05:46 PM

If we can somehow dump THJ and pick up one of the many rumored centers (Poeltl, Bamba, etc.) then I'd say that at least on paper this is a hell of a TDL for us.

Right now I think we're better (once Wood/Luka/Kleber get healthy), but this still isn't a team that will go much further than the first round.