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Dtownsfinest · 07-26-2021, 06:27 PM

Names I get excited about are Ingram and Bagley...I just don't know what on earth the Mavs could offer to even get into those trade deals.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-26-2021, 09:36 PM

Bit concerned about Nico in these interviews where he sounds a bit deer in headlights. And he keeps reiterating he likes the current team.

Hope that's big smoke and mirrors because he absolutely has to hit a home run in free agency. No excuses.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-26-2021, 09:37 PM

Bit concerned about Nico in these interviews where he sounds a bit deer in headlights. And he keeps reiterating he likes the current team.

Hope that's big smoke and mirrors because he absolutely has to hit a home run in free agency. No excuses.

rimrocker · 07-26-2021, 09:46 PM

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That is a possibility too. I just don't know what they'd get in return for him. I feel like teams would be buying low to try to get him.

I personally feel like there's enough here for Luka to be 1a and KP to be 1b. That's if that's NY KP we are getting. I've seen him take over games before. I don't know where that guy is at.

It appears to me that KP thinks of himself as a tier 1 player like Luka.

I'm sure Luka has some part in this but it is hard to get players shots when those players are just standing around pouting and not being part of the game.

Maybe Kidd can find a way to get KP more touches but it appeared to me that KP took bad shots because he felt he wasn't getting the ball back if he passed it away.

SMC0007 · 07-26-2021, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Bit concerned about Nico in these interviews where he sounds a bit deer in headlights. And he keeps reiterating he likes the current team.

Hope that's big smoke and mirrors because he absolutely has to hit a home run in free agency. No excuses.

Bro I'm telling you. He just sounds Green.

I get that it doesn't help to say "welp we need help for sure and we need another guard and a big" etc. But you gotta know you are getting these questions. The responses were not much different than Donnie talking. Not impressed from the 2 times I've heard him talk...which means nothing. He and Kidd have my blind faith for now.

Idk about a home run, but he needs a double at least.

SMC0007 · 07-26-2021, 09:52 PM

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It appears to me that KP thinks of himself as a tier 1 player like Luka.

I'm sure Luka has some part in this but it is hard to get players shots when those players are just standing around pouting and not being part of the game.

Maybe Kidd can find a way to get KP more touches but it appeared to me that KP took bad shots because he felt he wasn't getting the ball back if he passed it away.

How KP played was connected to how Rigid Rick used him and just not being aggressive and active enough.

I think he will tell more about what he really thinks of how Rick used him as time passes now that he doesn't have to deal with him anymore. There were already hints about it but he did a decent job of trying to be professional about it.

Not saying that was what held him back or that he is going to be NY KP all the sudden but it can't possibly be worse...can it?

tap2390 · 07-26-2021, 10:08 PM

Memphis 100% won that trade.

First the downgrade from Jonas to Adams isn't as steep as you might think. Adams arguably fits the modern NBA better as the better screen man and perimeter defender (although Jonas is obviously the more skilled offensive player).

Best players available at 10 in the previous NBA drafts:

2020: Devin Vassell, Tyrese Haliburton, Cole Anthony
2019: Cam Reddish, Tyler Herro, Sekou Doumbouya
2018: Mikal Bridges, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Miles Bridges, Michael Porter Jr.

Best players available at 17 in the previous NBA drafts:

2020: Tyrese Maxey, Previous Achiuwa, Saddiq Bey
2019: Matisse Thybulle, Brandon Clarke
2018: Donte DiVincenzo, Lonnie Walker, Kevin Huerter

You catch my drift. There's a huge difference between drafting at 10 and drafting at 17. Especially in a top heavy draft like this year's.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-26-2021, 10:22 PM

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Bro I'm telling you. He just sounds Green.

I get that it doesn't help to say "welp we need help for sure and we need another guard and a big" etc. But you gotta know you are getting these questions. The responses were not much different than Donnie talking. Not impressed from the 2 times I've heard him talk...which means nothing. He and Kidd have my blind faith for now.

Idk about a home run, but he needs a double at least.

And what's funny is I've been pretty impressed with Kidd who is a pretty good interview. Much better and more personable than Slick Rick.

Dtownsfinest · 07-26-2021, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Memphis 100% won that trade.

First the downgrade from Jonas to Adams isn't as steep as you might think. Adams arguably fits the modern NBA better as the better screen man and perimeter defender (although Jonas is obviously the more skilled offensive player).

Best players available at 10 in the previous NBA drafts:

2020: Devin Vassell, Tyrese Haliburton, Cole Anthony
2019: Cam Reddish, Tyler Herro, Sekou Doumbouya
2018: Mikal Bridges, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Miles Bridges, Michael Porter Jr.

Best players available at 17 in the previous NBA drafts:

2020: Tyrese Maxey, Previous Achiuwa, Saddiq Bey
2019: Matisse Thybulle, Brandon Clarke
2018: Donte DiVincenzo, Lonnie Walker, Kevin Huerter

You catch my drift. There's a huge difference between drafting at 10 and drafting at 17. Especially in a top heavy draft like this year's.

I mean you're losing value going down to #17 for sure but you're gaining Jonas. I see nothing wrong with getting ga Jonas and a Saadiq Bey caliber player.

Sure I'd love to have SGA or Michael Porter but that's doing a lot of assuming that every pick in that range will be a player like that.

SMC0007 · 07-26-2021, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Memphis 100% won that trade.

First the downgrade from Jonas to Adams isn't as steep as you might think. Adams arguably fits the modern NBA better as the better screen man and perimeter defender (although Jonas is obviously the more skilled offensive player).

Best players available at 10 in the previous NBA drafts:

2020: Devin Vassell, Tyrese Haliburton, Cole Anthony
2019: Cam Reddish, Tyler Herro, Sekou Doumbouya
2018: Mikal Bridges, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Miles Bridges, Michael Porter Jr.

Best players available at 17 in the previous NBA drafts:

2020: Tyrese Maxey, Previous Achiuwa, Saddiq Bey
2019: Matisse Thybulle, Brandon Clarke
2018: Donte DiVincenzo, Lonnie Walker, Kevin Huerter

You catch my drift. There's a huge difference between drafting at 10 and drafting at 17. Especially in a top heavy draft like this year's.

I'm ok with the idea they made a good trade but I don't think it was a fleecing or anything. I don't really care tbh. I love Steven Adams and would say that it's not even arguable that Adams is a good defender...even holding his own on the perimeter in switches. Dudes a tough, smart mf ball player. I'd love to have him on the team.

germanmav · 07-27-2021, 01:46 AM

Hey, here is a german Mavs fan. It's quite difficult to catch the latest news and rumours over here. Are there any talks about the Mavs trading into the draft? And if so, how would such a trade look?

BPo001 · 07-27-2021, 08:35 AM

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Hey, here is a german Mavs fan. It's quite difficult to catch the latest news and rumours over here. Are there any talks about the Mavs trading into the draft? And if so, how would such a trade look?

Haven’t seen anything about them looking to obtain picks. I think they have worked out, or been present for workouts for some 2nd round guys. I doubt we see Dallas with any picks. I don’t think many teams are looking to trade/sell picks unless it’s part of a package.

BPo001 · 07-27-2021, 10:45 AM

Dallas has actively explored trade scenarios involving Josh Richardson, sources said, in the event the swingman opts in to his 2021-22 player option. The Mavericks must make their own efforts to clear salary space for a planned spurge in free agency that still appears to prioritize retaining Tim Hardaway Jr. in addition to Dallas’ other pursuits. – via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report

BPo001 · 07-27-2021, 10:46 AM

Dallas has actively explored trade scenarios involving Josh Richardson, sources said, in the event the swingman opts in to his 2021-22 player option. The Mavericks must make their own efforts to clear salary space for a planned spurge in free agency that still appears to prioritize retaining Tim Hardaway Jr. in addition to Dallas’ other pursuits. – via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report

saclare · 07-27-2021, 10:53 AM

Interesting, but not unforeseen given how much Richardson faded. Sucks he had those issues with covid earlier in the season as I thought he was doing well. Never really fit back in.

Could Bryn Forbes be our next Seth Curry? He is opting out of MIL.

saclare · 07-27-2021, 10:53 AM

Interesting, but not unforeseen given how much Richardson faded. Sucks he had those issues with covid earlier in the season as I thought he was doing well. Never really fit back in.

Could Bryn Forbes be our next Seth Curry? He is opting out of MIL.

JustJay · 07-27-2021, 11:01 AM

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Bit concerned about Nico in these interviews where he sounds a bit deer in headlights. And he keeps reiterating he likes the current team.

Hope that's big smoke and mirrors because he absolutely has to hit a home run in free agency. No excuses.

Why does he have to hit a home run? He's been here 5 minutes. No one ever says that a GM that in their first summer they have to nail it, much less one that's never been one before. It's going to take time and we need to be patient, we have no choice.

JustJay · 07-27-2021, 11:06 AM

We will probably bring back mostly the same team, maybe trade Richardson for a player I've never heard of, and sign a average at best player.

Dtownsfinest · 07-27-2021, 11:43 AM

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Dallas has actively explored trade scenarios involving Josh Richardson, sources said, in the event the swingman opts in to his 2021-22 player option. The Mavericks must make their own efforts to clear salary space for a planned spurge in free agency that still appears to prioritize retaining Tim Hardaway Jr. in addition to Dallas’ other pursuits. – via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report

At this stage....I'm wondering if it makes more sense to bring back Richardson for 11 million and letting Hardaway walk.

Unless I'm not seeing it...how on earth are they clearing cap space by trading Richardson but re-signing Hardaway?

sig · 07-27-2021, 11:52 AM

i like Adams as much or better than V. V is good offensively though and will be able to stay out Zion's way in the paint because he can hit some 3's.

Adams is way more agile and physical and that will fit Memphis' style on the defensive side of the ball. He will also deliver bone crushing picks to free up Morant. I expect Adams production will return to his OKC days especially when it comes to rebounding.

i like V and expect he will be on the market by trade deadline for a contender. i think the same can be said for Bledsoe. His salary is only 4 mil guaranteed and he should be an attractive trade target for a contender needing to fix a hole in the backcourt for the palyoffs. He has an expiring and IMO, NO will tanking if they even need to tank to get a pick in the top 5.

sig · 07-27-2021, 11:52 AM

i like Adams as much or better than V. V is good offensively though and will be able to stay out Zion's way in the paint because he can hit some jumpers.

Adams is way more agile and physical and that will fit Memphis' style on the defensive side of the ball. He will also deliver bone crushing picks to free up Morant. I expect Adams production will return to his OKC days especially when it comes to rebounding.

i like V and expect he will be on the market by trade deadline for a contender. i think the same can be said for Bledsoe. His salary is only 4 mil guaranteed and he should be an attractive trade target for a contender needing to fix a hole in the backcourt for the palyoffs. He has an expiring and IMO, NO will tanking if they even need to tank to get a pick in the top 5.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-27-2021, 11:59 AM

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Why does he have to hit a home run? He's been here 5 minutes. No one ever says that a GM that in their first summer they have to nail it, much less one that's never been one before. It's going to take time and we need to be patient, we have no choice.

Because the Mavs have basically never had a home run free agency, and they won't have cap space once Luka signs his supermax.

Treadmill of mediocrity if we don't seriously upgrade.

JustJay · 07-27-2021, 12:01 PM

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Because the Mavs have basically never had a home run free agency, and they won't have cap space once Luka signs his supermax.

Treadmill of mediocrity if we don't seriously upgrade.

Then maybe they shouldn't have fired the GM that drafted Luka, wanted to draft Giannis and Bey. When you fire and hire the time table is usually going to start over to some extent.

Not that I'm guaranteeing Donnie would have hit a home run either, this is a bad free agent year.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-27-2021, 12:02 PM

Marc Stein says our top FA target is Kyle Lowry and bringing back THJ.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-27-2021, 12:04 PM

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Then maybe they shouldn't have fired the GM that drafted Luka, wanted to draft Giannis and Bey. When you fire and hire the time table is usually going to start over to some extent.

Donnie has been absolute shit in FA. His firing was a long time coming. A GM is pointless if nobody is listening to him.

JustJay · 07-27-2021, 12:06 PM

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Donnie has been absolute shit in FA. His firing was a long time coming. A GM is pointless if nobody is listening to him.

I edited my post to say I didn't mean that Donnie was going to hit a home run either. No one is likely to. This is a bad year for free agency.

JustJay · 07-27-2021, 12:08 PM

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Marc Stein says our top FA target is Kyle Lowry and bringing back THJ.

I'd debate Lowry being between a single and a double, but he isn't a home run and THJ obviously isn't.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-27-2021, 12:57 PM

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I'd debate Lowry being between a single and a double, but he isn't a home run and THJ obviously isn't.

Agreed. But you also have fans that seem to think it's a waste of time to go after stars.

I wouldn't keep THJ under any circumstance other than a big discount or getting players that push him back to the 4th option.

Dtownsfinest · 07-27-2021, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Because the Mavs have basically never had a home run free agency, and they won't have cap space once Luka signs his supermax.

Treadmill of mediocrity if we don't seriously upgrade.

What's your level of "homerun"? Because I'd say Harrison Barnes was a homerun.

Dtownsfinest · 07-27-2021, 01:07 PM

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Marc Stein says our top FA target is Kyle Lowry and bringing back THJ.

Oh boy....surely Lowry is better than nothing but that's not who I had in mind in helping this team.

BPo001 · 07-27-2021, 01:42 PM

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Oh boy....surely Lowry is better than nothing but that's not who I had in mind in helping this team.

Agreed. I won’t say I have no interest in Lowry, but there’s about 8 other guys I think I’d rather have instead. That said this team needs assets. If that means signing Lowry that could also make him a future potential trade chip.

saclare · 07-27-2021, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Because the Mavs have basically never had a home run free agency, and they won't have cap space once Luka signs his supermax.

Treadmill of mediocrity if we don't seriously upgrade.

Can't THJ and Luka sign after an initial move (say signing Derozan or Lowry) and go over cap? Am I missing something like cap holds or the like?

Edit: also, the Post Quick Reply seems to be the cause of the double posts. I haven't had any tied to any "Advanced" post a la the above such as replying to someone or fully going into a full post.

SMC0007 · 07-27-2021, 01:59 PM

When there are plenty of clear upgrades on the market, the FA class is not bad. Just because Durant, Bron, Giannis aren't FA doesn't mean it's bad. We would never get those guys anyway.

Dtownsfinest · 07-27-2021, 02:02 PM

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Agreed. I won’t say I have no interest in Lowry, but there’s about 8 other guys I think I’d rather have instead. That said this team needs assets. If that means signing Lowry that could also make him a future potential trade chip.

I'm not against that or the signing......Lowry is just a tough one to crack. The championship run was the best basketball of his career and he's finally getting his just due.......seems like Father Time should be creeping up sooner rather than later. If the Mavs sign him to a 3 year 90 million dollar deal that's been rumored....I Don't think he's getting traded any time soon.

What scares me though is that for one I don't think Lowry would come here...so is this another situation where we wait around when other free agents are being scooped up just to be left empty handed at the end?

Dtownsfinest · 07-27-2021, 02:09 PM

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When there are plenty of clear upgrades on the market, the FA class is not bad. Just because Durant, Bron, Giannis aren't FA doesn't mean it's bad. We would never get those guys anyway.

I think what makes it bad is that normally you'd get a few superstars and then the second tier guys could be had like guys on Malcom Brogdon's level or Kemba Walker.

Its hard to get excited by these guys. Especially when we don't have draft picks to get excited about. It almost feels like purgatory.

JustJay · 07-27-2021, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

When there are plenty of clear upgrades on the market, the FA class is not bad. Just because Durant, Bron, Giannis aren't FA doesn't mean it's bad. We would never get those guys anyway.

I would say if you subtract Kawhi and Chris Paul which I don't think we'll get either there's maybe 8 clear upgrades. There's 30 teams (less with cap space, granted) but still it's not like we're guaranteed anything.

I saw THJ ranked #9 on a free agent list, just a sites opinion it just shows there's not a ton of great players. Also saw one with Lowry at #6.

SMC0007 · 07-27-2021, 02:59 PM

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I would say if you subtract Kawhi and Chris Paul which I don't think we'll get either there's maybe 8 clear upgrades. There's 30 teams (less with cap space, granted) but still it's not like we're guaranteed anything.

I saw THJ ranked #9 on a free agent list, just a sites opinion it just shows there's not a ton of great players. Also saw one with Lowry at #6.

Hmm. I've got 12-15 upgrades available.

JustJay · 07-27-2021, 03:12 PM

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Hmm. I've got 12-15 upgrades available.

I'd be happy to see your list.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-27-2021, 03:34 PM

Mavs moving on from Kawhi Leonard with expectation that he will stay with Clippers per Stein.

Looks like it's all in on Lowry, but I think he might be just as hard to get with all of the suitors involved.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-27-2021, 03:34 PM

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