01-26-2016, 06:59 AM
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Yea you know it all turin. "Traffic and cost not really an issue." So the $800 or so per year it costs just to keep the lights on is worth it for the half dozen or so new posts made each day? It may not be about the money but if no one's using the site then there isn't much point in keeping it up. And this isn't anything new. Traffic has been a steady decline for several years now.
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Originally Posted by turin
Disgruntled owner who is unhappy with Cuban. Traffic and cost not really an issue IMO. I've seen this before. Owner wants to take ball and go home. Community members will suffer. I seriously doubt when all is said and done that this site is permitted to continue. He's already mentioned that it's not about the money. More than likely somebody will have to start up another forum and people will need to find it in order to transition over. Like I've said, I just went through this very same scenario in November last year with a forum and group in which I was one of the core people for 15+ years. Owner turned off domain overnight and left a very large community in the dark.
Okay, now that I've said it, how long until this post is deleted, and I get hit with the ban stick? :-O
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01-26-2016, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by djb
Yea you know it all turin. "Traffic and cost not really an issue." So the $800 or so per year it costs just to keep the lights on is worth it for the half dozen or so new posts made each day? It may not be about the money but if no one's using the site then there isn't much point in keeping it up. And this isn't anything new. Traffic has been a steady decline for several years now.
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It's a vicious circle. Less traffic leads to even less traffic.
This is how I've lost interest. Simply not enough traffic.
New people were not allowed to open threads, older users insulted them as trolls, downgraded their reputation. This whole Up/downgrade option created a very unhealthy atmosphere here. Often it felt almost like stalking. Overall some users took this whole thing here way too seriously. Instead of talking basketball and having fun, people argued with each other, insulted each other and tried to be the smartest guy in the room.
dallas-mavs.com has great potential, but it needs some "culture" changes. It should be more fun again. With more freedom (A board with 95% GDT and PGT is boring) and respect, esp. for younger users. But it's probably too late.
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Last edited by markus1234; 01-26-2016 at 09:13 AM.
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01-26-2016, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by markus1234
It's a vicious circle. Less traffic leads to even less traffic.
This is how I've lost interest. Simply not enough traffic.
New people were not allowed to open threads, older users insulted them as trolls, downgraded their reputation. This whole Up/downgrade option created a very unhealthy atmosphere here. Often it felt almost like stalking. Overall some users took this whole thing here way too seriously. Instead of talking basketball and having fun, people argued with each other, insulted each other and tried to be the smartest guy in the room.
dallas-mavs.com has great potential, but it needs some "culture" changes. It should be more fun again. With more freedom (A board with 95% GDT and PGT is boring) and respect, esp. for younger users. But it's probably too late.
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You are right.. I can remember the past few years people would jump all over a newer poster when they posted a new thread when the reality is that the board was becoming a bit stagnant and absolutely needed it...
But, I think the play on the court is the ultimate reason why there's not as much posting anymore. Despite constant changes, the Mavs have consistently managed to be pretty good.. Good enough to be into the playoffs but usually not much of a threat to advance out of the first round. And, there hasn't been a lot of hope that they'll be anything other than pretty good. The Mavs obviously missed the boat with decision making after the Finals. back in '11. The fan base is now pretty stagnant. It's just a shame that this forum won't be here throughout the end of Dirk's career.
And yeah, obviously places such as Twitter had an impact.. but the site was down quite a bit long before Twitter had a major impact on it..
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01-26-2016, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by djb
Yea you know it all turin. "Traffic and cost not really an issue." So the $800 or so per year it costs just to keep the lights on is worth it for the half dozen or so new posts made each day? It may not be about the money but if no one's using the site then there isn't much point in keeping it up. And this isn't anything new. Traffic has been a steady decline for several years now.
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So, why don't you just sell it to one of the people who made you an offer and be done with it? I mean, I fully support your reasons for walking away from this site, but I don't understand why D-M isn't allowed to live on without you...
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01-26-2016, 12:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djb
Yea you know it all turin. "Traffic and cost not really an issue." So the $800 or so per year it costs just to keep the lights on is worth it for the half dozen or so new posts made each day? It may not be about the money but if no one's using the site then there isn't much point in keeping it up. And this isn't anything new. Traffic has been a steady decline for several years now.
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Simple enough then. If things are as you say, then if you're done, turn the site and information over to somebody else and let them take the reigns and responsibility. It doesn't really matter what you say. What matters ultimately is what you end up doing. Call me a cynic, but I think you'll just shut it down. Talk is cheap.
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01-26-2016, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by turin
Simple enough then. If things are as you say, then if you're done, turn the site and information over to somebody else and let them take the reigns and responsibility. It doesn't really matter what you say. What matters ultimately is what you end up doing. Call me a cynic, but I think you'll just shut it down. Talk is cheap.
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I've put in tens of thousands of dollars along with countless hours of my time into this site over the last 15+ years. And yet here you are, with your <1 post/week average, somehow thinking as if you have the right to call me out and demand that I simply hand it over? Deciding to close the site after years of significant decline was an extremely difficult decision for me, but one I sure has hell don't need to defend or justify to you. I'll definitely miss a lot of the longstanding members here, especially those who have been here since the very beginning, but entitled trolls like you? Yea not so much.
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01-27-2016, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by djb
I've put in tens of thousands of dollars along with countless hours of my time into this site over the last 15+ years. And yet here you are, with your <1 post/week average, somehow thinking as if you have the right to call me out and demand that I simply hand it over? Deciding to close the site after years of significant decline was an extremely difficult decision for me, but one I sure has hell don't need to defend or justify to you. I'll definitely miss a lot of the longstanding members here, especially those who have been here since the very beginning, but entitled trolls like you? Yea not so much.
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I'll miss the site and I'd contribute some if it helped keep it open, but I choose to give thanks for all the years you kept it open rather than complain that you are closing it.
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01-27-2016, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Five-ofan
I'll miss the site and I'd contribute some if it helped keep it open, but I choose to give thanks for all the years you kept it open rather than complain that you are closing it.
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No doubt. Thanks djb. I feel fortunate to have enjoyed this site from pretty much the beginning. Even though I started lurking here in my early twenties, it feels almost like I'm losing a bit of my childhood with this board going down. I might have to also get myself onto twitter just to keep up with this community.
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01-27-2016, 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jleefilled
No doubt. Thanks djb. I feel fortunate to have enjoyed this site from pretty much the beginning. Even though I started lurking here in my early twenties, it feels almost like I'm losing a bit of my childhood with this board going down. I might have to also get myself onto twitter just to keep up with this community.
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Same sentiments jlee
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01-27-2016, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by djb
I've put in tens of thousands of dollars along with countless hours of my time into this site over the last 15+ years. And yet here you are, with your <1 post/week average, somehow thinking as if you have the right to call me out and demand that I simply hand it over? Deciding to close the site after years of significant decline was an extremely difficult decision for me, but one I sure has hell don't need to defend or justify to you. I'll definitely miss a lot of the longstanding members here, especially those who have been here since the very beginning, but entitled trolls like you? Yea not so much.
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I'm not calling you out and demanding that you simply hand it over, and I'm certainly not unaware as to what's involved in either the money or time commitment department. I've been involved in a very large, high-traffic online gaming forum myself that is similar in many ways to this forum for more than 15 years. Sadly, it came to an end in November 2015 because the person who owned the domain name and who was hosting the dedicated server decided that he didn't have the time or desire to be involved anymore, and when some others requested that he give them admin permissions, so they could take care of the day-to-day operation, he just pulled the plug. Kind of a take the ball and go home attitude. Nothing was transferred or allowed to continue because the domain name holder just turned it off. He left the entire community in the lurch. This wasn't the desire of even a small minority of the community. One person made this decision, and it impacted ten thousand + of members.
While it is certainly your right to terminate the forum because you own the domain name, I don't think you have any ownership rights over the community that coalesced around the forum you provided. The community is made up of Maverick fans for the most part and even the Dallas Mavericks don't own them. While I commend you for notifying the community and stating your specific reasons (and I don't disagree with you in your assessment of Cuban), I am thinking more about the community itself that would be cast adrift if the site were simply turned off. I am sure I'm a bit more sensitive to this considering what I've already experienced and related above. I'm just thinking about the people left behind. That's the only reason I'm saying anything. I've certainly got other things on my plate that are more important than putting myself in a position to be called out as an entitled troll. LOL If I didn't think there was something worth preserving from the fruits of your endeavor, then I wouldn't have said anything. In the end, it's really about the people here and not about Cuban or even the Maverick players.
Again, it's your decision, and I certainly don't dispute that.
Best of luck in your future endeavors,
Turin
Last edited by turin; 01-27-2016 at 04:00 PM.
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01-27-2016, 05:52 PM
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Whoever takes it over, send me an email with your paypal account info.
send it to: rdmdarr@gmail.com
I will send you the $800 through paypal to keep it going another year.
Richard
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01-27-2016, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ummmmm Ok
Whoever takes it over, send me an email with your paypal account info.
send it to: rdmdarr@gmail.com
I will send you the $800 through paypal to keep it going another year.
Richard
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These days being a fan is a competition to see who can be the most upset when
your team loses. That proves you love winning more. That's how it works.
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01-28-2016, 10:18 AM
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Long-time lurker here. Still hoping for a positive turn of events.
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01-27-2016, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by djb
I've put in tens of thousands of dollars along with countless hours of my time into this site over the last 15+ years. And yet here you are, with your <1 post/week average, somehow thinking as if you have the right to call me out and demand that I simply hand it over? Deciding to close the site after years of significant decline was an extremely difficult decision for me, but one I sure has hell don't need to defend or justify to you. I'll definitely miss a lot of the longstanding members here, especially those who have been here since the very beginning, but entitled trolls like you? Yea not so much.
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You tell him!!
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