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DevinHarriswillstart · 03-23-2016, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSportyChannel

Haha I remember earlier in the season when I said Mejri would be the starter over Zaza and that Zaza should be the backup. I've been right about alot of things.

Monta over Parsons
Mejri over Zaza

Earlier it the season? You've been posting here since January. Nice try though.

DGM · 03-23-2016, 11:40 PM

Game lost when Mejri went to the bench. That's when Portland took the lead. RC insists on playing Lee at 5. Play Mejri and McGee at center. Stop f--ing around with Lee at 5. Defense matters.

DGM · 03-23-2016, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm still ticked a little at Rick for not playing Mejri earlier in the year when we were starving for a backup center when McGee was out.

Same thing he did to Aminu last season.

Also feel for Zaza going from a near all-star about a month ago to Rick's doghouse.

Flat tires.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-23-2016, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DGM

Game lost when Mejri went to the bench. That's when Portland took the lead. RC insists on playing Lee at 5. Play Mejri and McGee at center. Stop f--ing around with Lee at 5. Defense matters.

It doesn't always kill the team, but it did this game and last game. Match-ups matter. Lee has been a net positive since he joined.

FreshJive · 03-23-2016, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSportyChannel

Haha I remember earlier in the season when I said Mejri would be the starter over Zaza and that Zaza should be the backup. I've been right about alot of things.

Monta over Parsons
Mejri over Zaza

broken clock

DGM · 03-23-2016, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

It doesn't always kill the team, but it did this game and last game. Match-ups matter. Lee has been a net positive since he joined.

Lee is a strong player. Dirk backed by Lee at 4 and Mejri plus McGee at 5 would make us powerful. I like Lee a lot but not at 5.

rimrocker · 03-23-2016, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DGM

Flat tires.

Rick drove him in the ground...similar to Tyson last season.
We had a decent 3 headed monster at center and those minutes could have been distributed almost evenly during the entire season.

We're going to need Zaza against a few more centers. Mejri will have a tough time with DJ and Howard so hopefully Zaza will have a little left in the tank.

rimrocker · 03-23-2016, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DGM

Game lost when Mejri went to the bench. That's when Portland took the lead. RC insists on playing Lee at 5. Play Mejri and McGee at center. Stop f--ing around with Lee at 5. Defense matters.

I'm ok with RC playing Lee at the 5 for short periods but it bothers me when he plays the majority of the game with a frontcourt rotation of Dirk/Lee/Parsons.

Bryan_Wilson · 03-23-2016, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm ok with RC playing Lee at the 5 for short periods but it bothers me when he plays the majority of the game with a frontcourt rotation of Dirk/Lee/Parsons.

I just would like to see one game where we go big instead of small. We are not winning with small lineups so can we please try and make other teams adjust to us? If we had starting lineup with dwill, wes, simba, Dirk, Salah and then on first sub take out Dirk for Lee. If Simba is not giving you anything then go ahead and slide Wes over but ffs this small back court + small front court is not working, and has not worked. I just want to see us use PF's at the 4 and not the 5. I'd really like to never see a sg at the 4 or a pg at the 3, especially with a 4 at the 5 at the same time.

Melonhead · 03-24-2016, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I just would like to see one game where we go big instead of small. We are not winning with small lineups so can we please try and make other teams adjust to us? If we had starting lineup with dwill, wes, simba, Dirk, Salah and then on first sub take out Dirk for Lee. If Simba is not giving you anything then go ahead and slide Wes over but ffs this small back court + small front court is not working, and has not worked. I just want to see us use PF's at the 4 and not the 5. I'd really like to never see a sg at the 4 or a pg at the 3, especially with a 4 at the 5 at the same time.

Feel like Carlisle will always do this from now on, even if the players are there for a normal lineup. (Which I think they are even right now)

He's never valued defense even though he'll harp on it post game from time to time. You cannot win without a steady devotion to defense and small ball for him is the antithesis of defense.

It's the same result over and over. CV being in the game speaks volumes to his stubbornness and order (vets vs rookies with athleticism article was really good)

DGM · 03-24-2016, 06:04 AM

Ed Davis looked like an all star versus Lee. That's when the game was lost. Blazers guards stopped looking at the basket with Mejri in the game and went to the basket when he sat. Expect more of the same versus GSW.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-24-2016, 08:57 AM

Do the Mavs have a team option on Mejri for next season?

Bryan_Wilson · 03-24-2016, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Do the Mavs have a team option on Mejri for next season?

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Salah Mejri signed a 3 year / $2,414,475 contract with the Dallas Mavericks, including $525,093 guaranteed

We have him signed 2 more years if we want him, and only this season is guaranteed.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-ma...s/salah-mejri/

EricaLubarsky · 03-24-2016, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

We have him signed 2 more years if we want him, and only this season is guaranteed.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-ma...s/salah-mejri/

Came here to post that. Amazing contract. We gave out a bunch of those 3yr min contracts and none of them hurt us. Mejri's looks like a genius move.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-24-2016, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

We have him signed 2 more years if we want him, and only this season is guaranteed.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-ma...s/salah-mejri/

Excellent. Thanks.

And how the hell is he credited with only one block? He has at least three in this highlight video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR64KEdqURM

Budapest Maverick · 03-24-2016, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

broken clock

Also, how can a "Monta over Parsons" prediction/suggestion be considered to be even remotely close to being right? Ellis is having a horrendous season, Parsons is twice the player he is. Yeah, he is out, that doesn't mean we need Ellis. I would take current, shell of his former self Matthews over the 30-year-old Ellis. He defends a lot better and even his 3PT% even in a career low efficiency year destroys Monta's!

yahyes · 03-24-2016, 10:06 AM

This loss wasn't as bad as it appears. Especially since Houston, Portland and Utah have tough set of games coming up too.

spreedom · 03-24-2016, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Also, how can a "Monta over Parsons" prediction/suggestion be considered to be even remotely close to being right? Ellis is having a horrendous season, Parsons is twice the player he is. Yeah, he is out, that doesn't mean we need Ellis. I would take current, shell of his former self Matthews over the 30-year-old Ellis. He defends a lot better and even his 3PT% even in a career low efficiency year destroys Monta's!

Ellis had to go, and I'm glad he did. I appreciate what he brought here but he isn't a player you can build around if you expect to win.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-24-2016, 12:21 PM

Well the discussion would be Ellis or Matthews...not Ellis or Parsons. Don't let the troll start mucking things up.

As a whole, I'd probably rather have Ellis over Wes, but it doesn't matter because we're still a 6-8 seed either way. And at least Wes is finally playing to his strength on offense the last two games which is catch and shoot threes.

yahyes · 03-24-2016, 01:03 PM

You can't debate on whether we should have kept Ellis. Look at Indiana. They don't look that much improved. While Ellis playing mediocre with Paul George especially. Pacers are practically equal to us in standings too. So it shows letting Ellis walk did not hurt at all.

Bryan_Wilson · 03-24-2016, 01:07 PM

As bad as Wes has been his 3's at least make up for his poor overall shooting%. And he's not even shooting 3's very well compared to his career average.

Monta's best year with us he was .532TS% and last season and this season he is .509 and .508 respectively.

Wes last two years has been .588 and .586 and this season has fallen to .525 which is still better than Monta and almost as good as his best season with us. If Wes gets healthier next season it's not even close really. We may miss his penetration but we have a roster full of small's who penetrate honestly.

DirkFTW · 03-24-2016, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

We may miss his penetration but we have a roster full of small's who penetrate honestly.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-24-2016, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

As bad as Wes has been his 3's at least make up for his poor overall shooting%. And he's not even shooting 3's very well compared to his career average.

Monta's best year with us he was .532TS% and last season and this season he is .509 and .508 respectively.

Wes last two years has been .588 and .586 and this season has fallen to .525 which is still better than Monta and almost as good as his best season with us. If Wes gets healthier next season it's not even close really. We may miss his penetration but we have a roster full of small's who penetrate honestly.

I don't want to get into this again, but certainly Monta shouldn't be judged just based on his true shooting percentage. His first season and a half he was a far, far superior player than Wes has been for us. Ellis was able to take over games in a way that Wes is simply incapable of doing. And Wes's defense has yet to make up for that gap. Still, I'm optimistic that Wes is headed in the right direction. He has looked markedly sharper the last couple of games.

Underdog · 03-24-2016, 04:19 PM

Not sure why we're talking about Ellis, but the biggest reason he didn't work here is because we had too damn many ball-dominant players at the floor at once... Ellis & Parsons, in addition to a PG (Rondo, DWill, whoever), means 3/5 of your starting lineup needs the ball in their hands to be effective... At least Wes doesn't need to pound away on the rock to make an impact on offense.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-24-2016, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Not sure why we're talking about Ellis, but the biggest reason he didn't work here is because we had too damn many ball-dominant players at the floor at once... Ellis & Parsons, in addition to a PG (Rondo, DWill, whoever), means 3/5 of your starting lineup needs the ball in their hands to be effective... At least Wes doesn't need to pound away on the rock to make an impact on offense.

That's true although Wes hasn't had much impact on the offense this season either way. But the fair point is having too many ball handlers which is why it'll be interesting to see how the team continues to play without Parsons. He definitely needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

SMC0007 · 03-25-2016, 10:23 AM

RC messed up big leaving mejri on the bench for way too long. He has had a subpar season.

turin · 03-25-2016, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I just would like to see one game where we go big instead of small. We are not winning with small lineups so can we please try and make other teams adjust to us? If we had starting lineup with dwill, wes, simba, Dirk, Salah and then on first sub take out Dirk for Lee. If Simba is not giving you anything then go ahead and slide Wes over but ffs this small back court + small front court is not working, and has not worked. I just want to see us use PF's at the 4 and not the 5. I'd really like to never see a sg at the 4 or a pg at the 3, especially with a 4 at the 5 at the same time.

Agree 100%. Sadly, this isn't going to change as long as Rick's still coach. I'm pretty much done for the season. I'll continue following and watch the first couple of playoff games, but I just get too pissed at the knucklehead small ball lineups when you've got Zaza, Mejri, and McGee at the five with Lee a very solid backup to Dirk at 4. I'd even try him at 3 with a bigger lineup to force other teams to adjust to us. The frustrating thing is that I see a whole lot more potential in this roster than Rick is getting out of it. Then again, maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part.

Underdog · 03-25-2016, 10:50 AM

@bobbykaralla: Salah Mejri was credited after the fact with two blocks in the first quarter against Portland. That's now his fourth 3-blk game of the year.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-25-2016, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

RC messed up big leaving mejri on the bench for way too long. He has had a subpar season.

I try to be "better late than never" about Rick's style. At least Mejri can be our starting center for the next two seasons for basically nothing in the glass half full view. It would have been a disaster if he was a free agent.

But yes, it does seem weird when Rick is overly hard on lesser experienced players. The jury is still out on Anderson though. I'm just not quite seeing what he will provide that will get him in the rotation. He has to do other things versus just play some athletic defense.

DGM · 03-25-2016, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I try to be "better late than never" about Rick's style. At least Mejri can be our starting center for the next two seasons for basically nothing in the glass half full view. It would have been a disaster if he was a free agent.

But yes, it does seem weird when Rick is overly hard on lesser experienced players. The jury is still out on Anderson though. I'm just not quite seeing what he will provide that will get him in the rotation. He has to do other things versus just play some athletic defense.

Simba spit the bit in Portland but RC still has to play him. He needs to realize that he doesn't have to make spectacular plays, just be steady and play hard.