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Cleveland Cavaliers intensify trade talks for Phoenix Suns All-Star Amare Stoudemire
By Brian Windhorst, The Plain Dealer
February 12, 2010, 7:45PM
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Phoenix Suns All-Star Amare Stoudemire, right, could be teammates with Cavaliers center Shaquille O'Neal if a deal is completed. According to multiple league sources, the Cavs are getting serious in trade talks for Stoudemire, who is averaging 21.2 points and 8.6 rebounds.
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DALLAS, Texas -- At the moment, All-Star Weekend is turning into an elaborate game of Spy vs. Spy.
The amount of information and disinformation flying around is at a fever pitch as teams jostle for position in escalating trade talks. The Cavaliers, as would be expected, are right in the middle of it.
According to multiple sources, over the past few days the Cavs have had advancing talks with the Phoenix Suns about All-Star forward Amar'e Stoudemire. It is not the only player they have interest in -- there are still long-term-target forwards Antawn Jamison of Washington and Troy Murphy of the Pacers out there -- but it seems the Cavs are focusing on Stoudemire.
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Pacers forward/center Troy Murphy, right, reportedly is a player that interests the Cavaliers.
Cavs General Manager Danny Ferry and Suns General Manager Steve Kerr, former teammates and friends who already have collaborated on a big deal to bring center Shaquille O'Neal to Cleveland, met Friday afternoon in Dallas. Suns owner Robert Sarver and Cavs owner Dan Gilbert also are in town and are on the labor relations committee that met.
Stoudemire has the option to become a free agent after this season, which has led the Suns to explore trade options for him. Also, there is a way to structure a trade between the teams that could put the fiscally sensitive Suns under the luxury-tax threshold, which would be a major motivating factor in the deal.
Also a subject of trade rumors last season, Stoudemire was trying to ignore the stories on Friday.
"I understand it is a business and I never get too riled up or out of control with rumors being spread," said Stoudemire, who is averaging 21.2 points and 8.6 rebounds per game for the Suns.
"We've won five out of our last six despite all the trade talk."
The Cavs, sources said, still are leaving other options open. With every GM, owner and numerous agents in town, there are rumors and smokescreens everywhere. Friday morning, for example, a rumor from Yahoo Sports! popped up that linked the Boston Celtics to the Washington Wizards in a deal for Wizards forward Caron Butler and Jamison.
By nightfall, there were numerous reports that Butler was about to be traded to the Dallas Mavericks instead.
The Cavs are believed to still have talks open with the Pacers for Murphy and the Wizards for Jamison, plus options for three-team deals. But sources indicated the Stoudemire talks were the most advanced.
It is a bit of a surprising attraction. While there's a chance the Cavs could pick up a former first-teamer in a money-based deal, Stoudemire and O'Neal didn't have great on-court chemistry when they played in Phoenix for parts of the past two seasons. O'Neal and LeBron James have said they are happy with the current makeup of the team, though that, too, could be a smokescreen.
"I've been a part of trade deadlines and guys moving in an out," James said. "I don't get caught up in it much until it actually happens or if it is serious. There's some great players out there."
The Suns are believed to like Cavaliers forward J.J. Hickson, whom they considered drafting in 2008 and is currently having a breakout sophomore season. The Cavs, however, have been reluctant to include Hickson in trade talks.
The Cavs have several other ways to get the deal done, including the expiring contract of Zydrunas Ilgauskas or a sign-and-trade with guard Wally Szczerbiak.
The Arizona Republic reported earlier this week that teams who were talking to the Suns about Stoudemire also were being asked to take on guard Jason Richardson, who is owed $14.4 million next season. It isn't clear whether Richardson is involved in the talks with the Cavs or with a third team the Cavs might be recruiting.
Several other teams are believed to be interested in trading for Stoudemire, including the Miami Heat and Philadelphia 76ers.
What is clear is with so many big names on the board, this weekend figures to be a trade-rumor festival.

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if we can't win it, which doesn't look likely then i'd rather someone from the east win than the lakers or spurs or any west team, so more power to them i guess.
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It's just a rumor without a link. Nothing to see here.
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Without a link?
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Well, I couldn't find it.
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Did you read the first four lines?
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Amare weakens Cavs defense and well Im not sure how great him with Shaq on the floor would be
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Did you read the first four lines?
As I understand it, it is normally considered tactful to post a URL to the source of the article.

But the real problem is that the thread title is deceptive. The Cavs landing Amare and winning the championship is not news; it's a rumor and an opinion.
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The O'Neal/Amare thing was one reason Shaq was moved out of Phoenix. Amare isn't interested in learning defense,either. He proved that last season.
But Amare can bring a ton offensively. LBJ took a crappy squad to the Finals against SA, where defense swarmed him and essentially dared the other players to win. This Cavs team is much better and would become much more challenging with Amare.
Depending on what the Cavs give up, this could be the final piece to help LeBron win it all.
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Mo Williams
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Shaq

That's a tough starting 5.

Not to mention Hickson and Flapajao off the bench. Though Hickson might be traded (with Big Z). If they wanted to go small, they could run:

Mo
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LBJ
Flopajao
Amare

That covers Amare's horrid D somewhat if the team only has one offensive minded big.
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I don't think Amare and Shaq is the ideal frontcourt for Lebron, but the sheer level of raw talent on that team would be enough to overwhelm just about anybody.

Edit: Shaq is definitely the weakest link here. What they really need is an athletic center who can run the floor with Lebron and Amare, play great helpside D, and block a ton of shots, like a healthy Tyson Chandler, or Jermaine O'neal circa 2003. If I were the Cavs' GM I'd be trying make a deal for Dalembert in the offseason.

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steve kerr is really killing the suns
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According to a source, Amar'e Stoudemire has let it be known that he does not want to play in Cleveland.

The news was passed along to the Cavs who are now going in another direction. Over the weekend, the Cavs and Suns appeared close to a trade that would send Stoudemire to Cleveland.

But the deal might not be completely dead yet. One key factor that could change Stoudemire's mind is if the Cavs make Stoudemire an offer to extend his contract. He is believed to be seeking $60 million over three years.

Note: Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer refutes the report and says that Stoudemire has made no such statement.

At the All-Star festivities in Dallas, Stoudemire cryptically said "Best of luck to [Shaquille O'Neal] and the Cavs" in talking to reporters about the possible trade to Cleveland.
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1) Zydrunas Ilguaskas' expiring contract
2) Young talent in J.J. Hickson
3) Bird rights to Wally Sczcerbiak (http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...ign_and_trade/), which means he can be used in a sign and trade.

From what I understand ... Sczcerbiak had like a $13 million~ish expiring contract last season, which means he could be re-signed for a very large sum of money. Cleveland can essentially use Ilguaskas and Sczcerbiak in two separate trades ... getting another SG/SF wingman type player (Someone who plays like Corey Maggette or Iguodala) and then of course the Power Forward they have been coveting ... Stoudemire, Jamison, Murphy, etc.
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Maybe this is the key here. But who will the Suns get for Amar´e
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Isn't big Z the longest tenured Cav on the team? If he gets traded that sucks for him
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It's expected teams will buy out/waive Ilguaskas if he gets traded. Ilguaskas is being packaged with J.J. Hickson, so it's a combo of financial relief and young talent. Ilguaskas can then resign with Cleveland after 30 days.
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Isn't big Z the longest tenured Cav on the team? If he gets traded that sucks for him
Looks as if he's gonna be released and able to re-sign with the Cavs.

Good move for the Cavs. But I like what Hickson has brought these last couple of weeks. There's definately something there and he's lightyears ahead of Amare on defense. But Amare can be dominate in the paint. Has a good mid range jumpshot. You have to love it if you're the Cavs. His lack of defense may be a concern but Mike Brown knows how to teach defense.
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I don't think Amare and Shaq is the ideal frontcourt for Lebron, but the sheer level of raw talent on that team would be enough to overwhelm just about anybody.

Edit: Shaq is definitely the weakest link here. What they really need is an athletic center who can run the floor with Lebron and Amare, play great helpside D, and block a ton of shots, like a healthy Tyson Chandler, or Jermaine O'neal circa 2003. If I were the Cavs' GM I'd be trying make a deal for Dalembert in the offseason.
Why? Without LeBron, (he will be in Dallas remember), Dalembert won't put them over the top.
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IMO, if the Cleveland Lebrons traded for Amare, they would fall below the Celtics and the Magic in a seven game series. I have a few reasons for this, but I'm too lazy and it's way passed my bedtime lol.

If they acquired Jamison however, I would catapult them to be the clear favorite to win the whole thing this year.
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IMO, if the Cleveland Lebrons traded for Amare, they would fall below the Celtics and the Magic in a seven game series. I have a few reasons for this, but I'm too lazy and it's way passed my bedtime lol.

If they acquired Jamison however, I would catapult them to be the clear favorite to win the whole thing this year.
If your reason has to do with not playing defense, I'm not sure if there is a difference between the two. If it has to do with Amare being a sorry team player, then I might agree. Although I would still be scared of King James and Amare together.
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Sounds like the Cavs are in the mix for a bunch of guys.

Amare, Jamison, Murphy, and Maggette are all in Cavalier rumors.
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If your reason has to do with not playing defense, I'm not sure if there is a difference between the two. If it has to do with Amare being a sorry team player, then I might agree. Although I would still be scared of King James and Amare together.
Okay fine, I'll talk about it a little

The Lebrons already have a pretty fine big man that can run the pick and roll with James, Sideshow Bob. What they need is another player that can stretch the court out for Shaq. In a seven game series, especially an Eastern Conference seven game series, the game is going to slow down and end up being all about half court execution. To me, Jamison is a better suited player for James in the half court than Amare is. If this were a different type of team that didn't have guys like Shaq then I would say a James/Amare pairing would be scary. But, can you imagine a lineup of Mo Williams and Jamison spotting up with Lebron and Varejao working their two man game with a sprinkling of Shaq post ups here and there? That is the definition of "built for the playoffs" IMO. I agree that Amare lit it up with Nash during their playoff run a few years ago, but even at that type of production--they couldn't make it to the top. With Lebron, all you need is someone that can score 15 points by just taking jumpshots and that is Jamison.
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Okay fine, I'll talk about it a little

The Lebrons already have a pretty fine big man that can run the pick and roll with James, Sideshow Bob. What they need is another player that can stretch the court out for Shaq. In a seven game series, especially an Eastern Conference seven game series, the game is going to slow down and end up being all about half court execution. To me, Jamison is a better suited player for James in the half court than Amare is. If this were a different type of team that didn't have guys like Shaq then I would say a James/Amare pairing would be scary. But, can you imagine a lineup of Mo Williams and Jamison spotting up with Lebron and Varejao working their two man game with a sprinkling of Shaq post ups here and there? That is the definition of "built for the playoffs" IMO. I agree that Amare lit it up with Nash during their playoff run a few years ago, but even at that type of production--they couldn't make it to the top. With Lebron, all you need is someone that can score 15 points by just taking jumpshots and that is Jamison.
Nice thoughts, but the Shaq/Jamison lineup wouldn't work, IMO. I do agree with the premise though. Shaq clogs the lane, Jamison really likes to work there. LBJ likes to cut there. Shaq doesn't play much defense anymore, and Jamison play even less. They might still win, but I think they would be stronger with a Haslem or "other" power forward as far as the team goes. IMO, they could also put a pure shooter like a Jason Kopono/Mike Miller or such out there to help them as well. Let's face it, LBJ will get to the rim at will, and Shaq still has a few overpowering post moves. IMO, It is now just a matter of outside shooting and defense.
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Nice thoughts, but the Shaq/Jamison lineup wouldn't work, IMO. I do agree with the premise though. Shaq clogs the lane, Jamison really likes to work there. LBJ likes to cut there. Shaq doesn't play much defense anymore, and Jamison play even less. They might still win, but I think they would be stronger with a Haslem or "other" power forward as far as the team goes. IMO, they could also put a pure shooter like a Jason Kopono/Mike Miller or such out there to help them as well. Let's face it, LBJ will get to the rim at will, and Shaq still has a few overpowering post moves. IMO, It is now just a matter of outside shooting and defense.
Oh I agree with you 100%. I was just referring to Amare v. Jamison. Of course there are much better PF's in the league that is better suited to be on the Lebrons (ie Frye, Danillo, etc)
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Oh I agree with you 100%. I was just referring to Amare v. Jamison. Of course there are much better PF's in the league that is better suited to be on the Lebrons (ie Frye, Danillo, etc)
You forgot Dirk, who would be arguably the best player in the league to pair with Lebron. Fortunately, we're not trading Dirk any time soon so Lebron will have to come to Dallas .
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