Two policemen executed for Brown/Garner

[dude1394]

The constitutional amendment process is well documented, get on it.

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by dude1394

The constitutional amendment process is well documented, get on it.

Or wait until there are 5 liberal justices and convince them that the 2nd amendment only applies to militias.

[dude1394]

I believe there is a gadsen flag for that eventuality. I guess everyone will join a militia.

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I believe there is a gadsen flag for that eventuality. I guess everyone will join a militia.

2nd amendment specifies a WELL REGULATED militia. So I'd assume it wouldn't be that easy.

[dude1394]

Lets absolve them from their rhetoric, they really mean good.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/12/...y-dad-2-168414

"This Christmas, Eric Garner’s daughter gave the gift of stupidity.

Erica Garner, who has called for calm and expressed sadness over the murder of two NYPD police officers, engaged in an incredible act of foolishness on Christmas Day.

She took to Twitter to post a link to the address of one of the officers involved in the altercation with her father that led to his death.

The link also included the addresses of five of the officer’s potential relatives."

[spreedom]

Stupid, reprehensible, irresponsible, dangerous behavior by her.

[Murphy3]

Any country with Obama at the head of the government needs a well armed public.

[spreedom]

LOL

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Stupid, reprehensible, irresponsible, dangerous behavior by her.

It is just anti-cop rhetoric, what could it hurt? Who would be influenced by mere rhetoric?

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by dude1394

It is just anti-cop rhetoric, what could it hurt? Who would be influenced by here rhetoric?

I believe the police were 100% in the wrong in that particular case but even so, encouraging retaliation is not only flagrantly dangerous, but it just contributes to the deceased being painted in a negative light.

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Any country with Obama at the head of the government needs a well armed public.

Why? And what would you do with those guns?

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

You know the first link has been completely discredited, right? Your media is lying to you.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-affil...understanding/

How many other articles are falsified? That one took only seconds to debunk.

Pretty sure that's a completely different video you're referencing. My link was to a video in NYC with lots of people marching, saying they wanted "dead cops." The one you're referring to was in DC with one lady where the Fox Affiliate made it sound like she said "kill a cop."

Are you saying the video I linked to on Real Clear Politics has also been discredited or withdrawn? I looked and have seen no claims of doctoring. But I'd love for it to have been fake too. Sadly, it looks all too real with people frantically trying to disown rather than dispute.

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by mcsluggo

i think it is downright moronic to tar those groups by pointing to the action of one psychopath that has clearly been inching towards this inglorious moment in the sun for years.

See also, gun control movement; Giffords shooting. Sorry, I must have missed a rule change.

I also bet 99.994% of the population will agree that police brutality is disgusting, and they hate it. This would include about 99.9% of the people that oppose the Ferguson or Staten Island protests, including the cops that are trying to maintain order in cities across this country.

But this "us v. the system" mess is getting way out of control. I'm not even sure what they're fighting for. Disarming cops? No cops? Racial quotas in arrests? Mob justice instead of grand juries?

Why don't we start with: 1) scaling way back on overreaching laws that create the opportunity for the state to intrude in people's lives, 2) taking away all the grenades and APCs from local law enforcement, 3) adding cameras to preserve a record of police activity, 4) eliminating no-knock warrants, and 5) restricting the application of state and prosecutorial immunity. We could probably use an update in use of force procedures for executing warrants as well (e.g., don't throw flashbangs into baby cribs).

Oh wait, Al Sharpton would not be necessary, so this can't be right.

[dude1394]

I expect the politicians and the leaders are outraged about these incidents so they do not have to address these incidents. Gotta keep those sheep riled up about the correct stuff.

Thats 7 x 1000 murders. Maybe if they keep those cops out of the neighborhoods it will get better.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bl...rticle/2557725
"Then there's the high crime rate. Each year, roughly 7,000 blacks are murdered. Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person. Though blacks are 13 percent of the nation's population, they are more than 50 percent of homicide victims. Nationally, the black homicide victimization rate is six times that of whites, and in some cities, it's 22 times that of whites. Along with being most of the nation's homicide victims, blacks are most of the victims of violent personal crimes, such as assault and robbery."

[dude1394]

Wonder why all of these policemen are being shot at. I guess it is just peaceful grass roots protestors.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...the-police.php
"
In the wake of the murders of Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos, armed attacks on law enforcement have continued across the country. In Florida, a drive-by shooter fired at two sheriff’s deputies. In North Carolina, two black men fired six shots at a police officer. In Los Angeles, two police officers were shot at in their patrol car.
Are these enough incidents to constitute a trend? Let’s hope not. But there is no doubt about the fact that a “kill the police” movement exists. In Portland, demonstrators chant, “Deck the halls with rows of dead cops”:"

[dude1394]

Ruh roh..

"Angry union leaders have ordered drastic measures for their members since the Dec. 20 assassination of two NYPD cops in a patrol car, including that two units respond to every call.

It has helped contribute to a nose dive in low-level policing, with overall arrests down 66 percent for the week starting Dec. 22 compared with the same period in 2013, stats show.

Citations for traffic violations fell by 94 percent, from 10,069 to 587, during that time frame.
Summonses for low-level offenses like public drinking and urination also plunged 94 percent — from 4,831 to 300.

Even parking violations are way down, dropping by 92 percent, from 14,699 to 1,241.
Drug arrests by cops assigned to the NYPD’s Organized Crime Control Bureau — which are part of the overall number — dropped by 84 percent, from 382 to 63."

[mcsluggo]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Any country with Obama at the head of the government needs a well armed public.

Anybody that makes dumbass statements like that needs to get kicked in the shin by an old lady in tap shoes

[dude1394]

The great Heather MacDonald.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/h...icle-1.2062346

"The real injustice occurred decades ago, when police officers across the country ignored crime in black neighborhoods. Today, the NYPD devotes the majority of its resources and energy to saving lives in poor communities. Any “danger” that Dante de Blasio might face comes overwhelmingly from black criminals, not the police, de Blasio should acknowledge.

In 2013, criminals committed 1,103 shootings, wounding or killing 1,299 victims. NYPD officers, by contrast, fired their guns 40 times, despite having been dispatched 80,000 times to investigate weapons reports and having encountered guns and other weapons in more than 30,000 arrests.

That firearms discharge number is the lowest since the department began collecting data. The police injured 17 people and killed eight — again, a record low. Almost all those victims had extensive and serious criminal records; most had threatened the officer with deadly force.

Whites were far more likely to be shot by the police than blacks when their crime rates are taken into account.

Whites were 5% of all suspects shot by the police in 2013 though they committed only 2% of the city’s shootings — a 250% disparity. Blacks were 75% of criminal shooters and 79% of police shooting victims — virtual parity."

[fluid.forty.one]

I don't really understand the point of debate if both parties are so set in their ways that nothing could change their mind.


In turn, I see nothing productive, useful, insightful or positive about this sub forum.

[dude1394]

Yes no need to discuss this type of behaviour.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/200589/

"LIFE IN OBAMA’S POST-RACIAL AMERICA: “Peaceful protesters” disrupt ceremony for 100 yr old war veteran.

While the disrespect shown for Mr. Raschio is beyond the pale, this is fairly characteristic of the latest rounds of anti-cop, “peaceful protests” going on around the country. One of the defining characteristics of these schemes is that they are so completely outside the realm of the issue they are purportedly out there to correct. If you are angered about perceived injustice by police against minorities, what could that possibly have to do with Mr. Raschio? This theme is repeated in the so called Black Brunch protests in Oakland and New York City this weekend. Protesters invaded various businesses to disrupt service and dining in what they referred to as “white spaces.”

This is simply a continuation of the theme we saw when more allegedly peaceful protesters blocked traffic and tried to shut down the highways. What on earth do people eating french toast in a diner have to do with police practices? How does stranding thousands of motorists in rush hour traffic convey any sort of relevant message? The disconnect is obvious, but these protesters may be doing the rest of us a favor. By demanding an end to “business as usual” and screwing up the daily lives of regular working people with an off tune message which is inappropriate for the situation, the nation will tire of them even faster than they did with the filthy homeless camps of the Occupy movement.

The vast majority of the nation is not anti-cop. The further these agitators push the rest of the rank and file citizens, the quicker they will find that out.

This is bullying for the sake of bullying, by racists. It is designed to intimidate, but it is likely to have the opposite effect. It has also completely undermined what looked like a substantial bipartisan consensus on police reforms.

[dude1394]

Thanks AA community... Just a couple of dead cops for nothing.

"WASHINGTON — Justice Department lawyers will recommend that no civil rights charges be brought against the police officer who fatally shot an unarmed teenager in Ferguson, Mo., after an F.B.I. investigation found no evidence to support charges, law enforcement officials said Wednesday."

[Underdog]

I'll show myself out...

[MavzMan]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

To quote Murray Rothbard:
We may test the hypothesis that the State is largely interested in protecting itself rather than its subjects by asking: which category of crimes does the State pursue and punish most intensely — those against private citizens or those against itself? The gravest crimes in the State's lexicon are almost invariably not invasions of private person or property, but dangers to its own contentment, ...

First off, I like the post and it's very well worded. Sorry, I'm not nearly as elloquent as you are, but ....

I'm not sure that I agree with the point being made by your quote of Rothbard. The analogy that comes to mind is airline instructions before the plane takes off. "In case of emergency, before helping the person next to you, put your own mask on."

I would argue that the most serious crime would actually be government corruption. With government corruption, it would be an anything goes scenario and then the whole purpose of protecting the people flies out the window or event worse, the people are actually terrorized by their own government. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

The superstition essentially goes like this: "People are dangerous and I do not trust them, therefore we need some kind of authority to keep such dangerous people in check." The obvious flaw in this sentiment is that this supposed "authority" is nothing more than other mere people, and so does not address the core issue. I refer to it as a superstition because of the emphasis on badges: when someone puts on a badge, suddenly they have extra rights no one else has and are deserving of reverence and praise, and once they take the badge off again, they're just ordinary, dangerous, unwashed mere people once again.

Again, I disagree with this mostly ... I don't neccessarily "praise" officers, but I do hold a certain amount of reverence for them and most definitely respect. Your equating them as ordinary, unwashed people like me doesn't really work. They go through a significant amount of training in order to put on that badge. If I walk into a police station and put on a badge, I don't instantly become their equal. Are they still human and make mistakes? Yes. But I think you are extremely minimizing what it takes not just in training, but also mentally to be prepared for daily confrontations that COULD result in people trying to kill you. I sit at a desk and am only in danger of either a paper cut or more likely a heart attack because I don't get enough excersize.

[sefant77]

The USA need more guns...why the Grandma didnt have one to defend herself and her freedom? Damn...

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/18/us...ath-road-rage/

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sefant77

The USA need more guns...why the Grandma didnt have one to defend herself and her freedom? Damn...

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/18/us...ath-road-rage/

Remember, guns don't kill people -- the only reason you never hear about someone getting accidentally stabbed to death in a road rage incident is because the liberal media is working with the lizard people to disarm a well-informed populace.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Remember, guns don't kill people -- the only reason you never hear about someone getting accidentally stabbed to death in a road rage incident is because the liberal media is working with the lizard people to disarm a well-informed populace.

It's not the guns fault. We need to figure out why the shooter would do such a thing and what the shooter's psychologist has to say about it.