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Old 01-10-2016, 11:27 AM   #81
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In this case, why not to trade Parsons for Durant? Unless you can actually make a good argument why Portland would ever consider taking in Felton and Evans, who is even 1 year older than Parsons, and give up Aminu who can still develop.
I thought Aminu wasn't working out there and if that is the case they'd get two expiring contracts to move on from the commitment.
I don't see any huge upside in Aminu but if they want to develop then make it Felton/Anderson for Aminu.

With all do respect I tend to disagree that Aminu has anywhere near Durant potential

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With all do respect I tend to disagree that Aminu has anywhere near Durant potential
I used Durant reference only to describe how realistic Felton/Evans for Aminu sounded. I don't think Anderson sweetens the deal much. I imagine they could be much more interested in Powell.

Quick search on Aminu not settling well in Portland netted for me this: http://hoopshabit.com/2015/12/22/por...t-fit-blazers/
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I thought for sure the mavs had found a diamond in the rough with Aminu. I thought he would be one of our first guys signed in the offseason. Guess having Parsons diminished his need but I always loved what he brought especially his length.

He's gone now. Idk why he would be brought up in a trade. Mavs let him walk.
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He's gone now. Idk why he would be brought up in a trade. Mavs let him walk.
Yeah, the trade scenarios involving players that we let walk need to die... If we wanted Aminu here, then he'd be here.
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I used Durant reference only to describe how realistic Felton/Evans for Aminu sounded. I don't think Anderson sweetens the deal much. I imagine they could be much more interested in Powell.

Quick search on Aminu not settling well in Portland netted for me this: http://hoopshabit.com/2015/12/22/por...t-fit-blazers/
My bad then....Harp just mentioned he wasn't fitting in well when we played them last but maybe things have changed. I don't recall him doing much against us in that game though.
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Yeah, the trade scenarios involving players that we let walk need to die... If we wanted Aminu here, then he'd be here.
I think we did want him but got caught in the trap again.

Like dumping Mary Ann because Ginger was winking at you and then wanting Mary Ann back after Ginger tells you to F off
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I think we did want him but got caught in the trap again.

Like dumping Mary Ann because Ginger was winking at you and then wanting Mary Ann back after Ginger tells you to F off
There's always Lovey.
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There's always Lovey.
We were damn lucky to do better than Ginger when all was said and done but would still like to get Mary Ann back too.
To think we possibly could have had Chandler, Aminu and Zaza on this team if Cuban wasn't so damn greedy.

Hope the lesson was learned for this upcoming off-season but I doubt it.

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We were damn lucky to do better than Ginger when all was said and done but would still like to get Mary Ann back too.
To think we possibly could have had Chandler, Aminu and Zaza on this team if Cuban wasn't so damn greedy.

Hope the lesson was learned for this upcoming off-season but I doubt it.
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To think we possibly could have had Chandler, Aminu and Zaza on this team if Cuban wasn't so damn greedy.
Where does the money for Wes/Deron come from if we're paying Chandler/Aminu the combined $21m that they're making with their respective teams? Do you really think Aminu gives us Blazers-level production when he's buried in the depth chart behind Parsons? And does Zaza even come here if Chandler re-signs?

Also, how is Cuban "greedy" for chasing the most talented center in free agency? Isn't that his job? Or should he intentionally aim for mediocrity instead of accidentally falling into it after swinging for the fences?
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We were damn lucky to do better than Ginger when all was said and done but would still like to get Mary Ann back too.
To think we possibly could have had Chandler, Aminu and Zaza on this team if Cuban wasn't so damn greedy.

Hope the lesson was learned for this upcoming off-season but I doubt it.
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Parsons tonight:
25 points on 10/14 shooting
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Defended Lebron amazing well at times ... let him drive to an open layup at others.
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Defended Lebron amazing well at times ... let him drive to an open layup at others.
Overall pretty good game.
Now if he could only piece games like this together consistently...
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Defended Lebron amazing well at times ... let him drive to an open layup at others.
Overall pretty good game.
Soooo count him out for thunder and bulls. He pulled a disappearing act in the 4th/OT. Still not confident. But really headed off that early 1st quarter lead
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Defended Lebron amazing well at times ... let him drive to an open layup at others.
Overall pretty good game.

Thats a line he needs to bring more often than not given his Contract.

With Deron and Wes both shooting very badly this season he needs to be #1 or #2 Option of Offense with Dirk.
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Thats a line he needs to bring more often than not given his Contract.

With Deron and Wes both shooting very badly this season he needs to be #1 or #2 Option of Offense with Dirk.

So.... basically he has to be a top-5 player to be worth his contract? GTFO
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Where does the money for Wes/Deron come from if we're paying Chandler/Aminu the combined $21m that they're making with their respective teams? Do you really think Aminu gives us Blazers-level production when he's buried in the depth chart behind Parsons? And does Zaza even come here if Chandler re-signs?
Jordan would have cost us about the same as resigning Tyson and Aminu.
Not sure if we could have gotten DWill with the MLE but if so that would have worked.
Aminu gave us tremendous production season last season with a healthy Parsons so I don't see what would have changed there. Besides, we could have sold him on the idea of being Dirk's eventual replacement.

Felton/Anderson or Powell for Zaza could have been possible.

All water under the bridge now and not worth arguing but I do think Chandler/Zaza/Aminu/Matthews/DWill could have been possible.

I actually suggested to trade for Zaza last season several times and that might have been a difference maker in the first PO round last season.

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So.... basically he has to be a top-5 player to be worth his contract? GTFO
In his defense, he said more often than not. But 10/14...yeah no one is bringing that more than 50% of the season
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Felton/Anderson or Powell for Zaza could have been possible.
Actually the more I think about it, if I recall Bucks were trying to clear space to sign Middleton and Monroe so that trade probably wasn't possible.

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Parsons had a great first half and his shot looked good because he was letting things come to him and not overthinking.

In the second half, I saw him do his STUPID on 2-3 possessions and I knew it was going to be a different story....and it was.

YES he played good D and had a good half but he needs to be CONSISTENT and play within the team structure.

The D towards the end of the dame was horrible...they had layups or dunks on like 5 possessions.

Dirk had another KILLER TO that didn't help out cause.

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3 TOs
Defended Lebron amazing well at times ... let him drive to an open layup at others.
Overall pretty good game.
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Parsons had a great first half and his shot looked good because he was letting things come to him and not overthinking.

In the second half, I saw him do his STUPID on 2-3 possessions and I knew it was going to be a different story....and it was.

YES he played good D and had a good half but he needs to be CONSISTENT and play within the team structure.

The D towards the end of the dame was horrible...they had layups or dunks on like 5 possessions.

Dirk had another KILLER TO that didn't help out cause.

Matthews was BAD.
He needs to be consistent but that can be said for just about every single player outside of Zaza. Even Dirk has had 2 uncharacteristic crunch time TO's in recent games. He shot it 14 times, the ball was evenly distributed among the starters shot wise, I don't think you will ever see any one player on this team soot 20 times outside of Dirk. I don't know why that's a negative, he didn't score in the second half like he did the first but if that's a problem you can go ahead and list the entire lineup for not being consistent on a half by half game by game basis... Yet the only one who has an entire thread based on his play not being good enough or not fitting is Parsons. Pretty sure that's why every game thread the common joke is that it's Parsons fault because when he doesn't play well this thread is updated, when he plays well this thread is updated on the notion that it's not consistent. He seriously can't win and it's become comical.
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Good to see Parsons have a great game.
Hopefully he will continue to have more games like this as his injury is put behind him. I look for him to have a solid second half.
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I would trade noah for Parsons. Straight up. I never even wanted Parsons here. I always wanted ariza over Parsons.
This post is really underrated gold.

Noah is beyond done and Ariza is crap...
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This is his chance to be that guy. What Parsons needs to do more than anything is not get passive when his shot isn't falling. If he has one of his 2-8 games, then he needs to stay aggressive offensively and not just think "welp, 2-8, this isn't my night so I'll pass to everyone else." That will be his real test. The ability to have bad quarters and snap himself out of it.
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But this is the type of setting Parsons thrives in.

He needs the ball A LOT in his hands. And he doesnt do well with slower type centers (zaza) or other slow guys around him (dirk). So Dirk is out and Zaza wasnt going ham on rebounds down low. Parsons is able to take over and get to the rim.(which is where he is best)

But when these guys are a force, he takes a backseat. Hes just a weird piece to fit in with the offense.
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Parsons on Dirk:

"Pretty much we shoot every day, even on off days we come in. I wouldnt want to work with anyone else in the league, ever..."


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Parsons obviously has talent and ability, but he is not agressive enough to be a force consistently yet. He really needs to make his mind up to be assertive and mix up his game more. Good to see tonight
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At some point someone younger than 37 needs to be our goto guy. DWill and Felton have been the only ones who seem to embrace that role but I'd love to see Parsons thrive because he has ability to get to rim and is much younger.
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Parsons is HOTT right now and in my opinion it still shows what I have been saying all along. He needs the ball to be successful.... otherwise he doesn't di nuch out there. WHEN he has the ball he put up great "Kevin Love" stats with not much ti show for. He just doesn't have that IT....even when he is on a roll and playing good ball.

So I think this is a good time to look for a trade...but ONLY if it improves our team. Maybe we can get a few teams to bite based on how he has played lately. BUT if we can't find a very good trade then we should just roll with Parsons and what we have. I think we can be somewhat successful thay way as well.
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25.4 ppg, 7 rpg on 59%! shooting, 60%! from three last 5 games.

Yup, get rid of him. Actually, I was definitely skeptical that he could put up those kind of stats again, but nice to see he actually does have all-star potential.
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I think it amusing how Parsons gets thrown under the bus around here, while Matthews seems to have carte blanche to consistently *kill* our offense on a nightly basis. I get it. He's got a great attitude and plays good, but not spectacular D (though his rebounding isn't impressive). However, his inability to hit the open 3 (his only offensive skill, especially now that he can't really post-up), really cripples our offense. The man has no lift and limps running the floor. That contract really is going to look bad as I don't see him changing much in the future.

CP, however, looks to be recovering well. He is not, and will never be, a number one option. But he can be Hayward-esque. A 20/5/5 guy and number 2 option on a contending team. He just needs the ball in his hands. He's a creator...not a spot-up shooter. It's tough in RC's system because Deron, and JJB especially, do so much ball-pounding.
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I think it amusing how Parsons gets thrown under the bus around here, while Matthews seems to have carte blanche to consistently *kill* our offense on a nightly basis. I get it. He's got a great attitude and plays good, but not spectacular D (though his rebounding isn't impressive). However, his inability to hit the open 3 (his only offensive skill, especially now that he can't really post-up), really cripples our offense. The man has no lift and limps running the floor. That contract really is going to look bad as I don't see him changing much in the future.

CP, however, looks to be recovering well. He is not, and will never be, a number one option. But he can be Hayward-esque. A 20/5/5 guy and number 2 option on a contending team. He just needs the ball in his hands. He's a creator...not a spot-up shooter. It's tough in RC's system because Deron, and JJB especially, do so much ball-pounding.
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I think it amusing how Parsons gets thrown under the bus around here, while Matthews seems to have carte blanche to consistently *kill* our offense on a nightly basis. I get it. He's got a great attitude and plays good, but not spectacular D (though his rebounding isn't impressive). However, his inability to hit the open 3 (his only offensive skill, especially now that he can't really post-up), really cripples our offense. The man has no lift and limps running the floor. That contract really is going to look bad as I don't see him changing much in the future.
I don't think his contract is going to be that big of an issue with the cap about to skyrocket (mainly because he'll still be tradable to bottom feeders trying to stay within the minimum 90% of their cap as it balloons), but Wes definitely isn't looking like a guy who can start for a contender anymore... Maybe he needs to sit out and continue to heal, but I'm starting to get the impression that his injury has permanently grounded the lift in his shot... And, like you said, his defense hasn't been good enough to make up for the decline in his offense, so what's he really bringing to the table?
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I don't think his contract is going to be that big of an issue with the cap about to skyrocket (mainly because he'll still be tradable to bottom feeders trying to stay within the minimum 90% of their cap as it balloons), but Wes definitely isn't looking like a guy who can start for a contender anymore... Maybe he needs to sit out and continue to heal, but I'm starting to get the impression that his injury has permanently grounded the lift in his shot... And, like you said, his defense hasn't been good enough to make up for the decline in his offense, so what's he really bringing to the table?
He looks terrified of contact the few times he has gone to the rim. To me, it's the mental aspect if his injury that is the real killer.

Good news is that he was still the best 2 guard free agent option this past summer that the Mavs actually had a chance at. You'd still be having to spend at least 12 a year for Ellis who isn't really doing much better on the Pacers and doesn't play defense.
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I think it amusing how Parsons gets thrown under the bus around here, while Matthews seems to have carte blanche to consistently *kill* our offense on a nightly basis. I get it. He's got a great attitude and plays good, but not spectacular D (though his rebounding isn't impressive). However, his inability to hit the open 3 (his only offensive skill, especially now that he can't really post-up), really cripples our offense. The man has no lift and limps running the floor. That contract really is going to look bad as I don't see him changing much in the future.

CP, however, looks to be recovering well. He is not, and will never be, a number one option. But he can be Hayward-esque. A 20/5/5 guy and number 2 option on a contending team. He just needs the ball in his hands. He's a creator...not a spot-up shooter. It's tough in RC's system because Deron, and JJB especially, do so much ball-pounding.

I am most def. irritated with Matthews' play and I think he just tries too hard at time. He is a little out of his element especially when it comes to handling the ball or creating anything.

The difference is he and Parsons were brought in under different expectations. The last 5 game Parsons has been GREAT and has shown why we had high expectations. BUT to me its fools gold and there is no way he will carry this team. Thats why I think we should trade him now...IF we can get a deal that improves the team.

As for Matthews ..we just gave him that contract and he has been terrible. I just think he needs to get back to what he does and thats open 3's and spot up shooting with some good D. He is the ultimate role player and can be a great ft here ...BUT he is not star and thats what he has been pushing himself to be with this new contract.
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I am most def. irritated with Matthews' play and I think he just tries too hard at time. He is a little out of his element especially when it comes to handling the ball or creating anything.

The difference is he and Parsons were brought in under different expectations. The last 5 game Parsons has been GREAT and has shown why we had high expectations. BUT to me its fools gold and there is no way he will carry this team. Thats why I think we should trade him now...IF we can get a deal that improves the team.

As for Matthews ..we just gave him that contract and he has been terrible. I just think he needs to get back to what he does and thats open 3's and spot up shooting with some good D. He is the ultimate role player and can be a great ft here ...BUT he is not star and thats what he has been pushing himself to be with this new contract.
Wait so Matthews is a role-player and if he is just a role player being paid 16-18m that is fine. Parsons has to be a star tho and carry the team if not we need to trade him? Why does Parsons have to be a "star"? Why can't he be a part of a "core"? Why does a guy being paid more get to have lower expectations?
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Wait so Matthews is a role-player and if he is just a role player being paid 16-18m that is fine. Parsons has to be a star tho and carry the team if not we need to trade him? Why does Parsons have to be a "star"? Why can't he be a part of a "core"? Why does a guy being paid more get to have lower expectations?
I didn't say it was fine. Neither guy will carry this team. RC like good pint guard and as long as he is here, Parsons will not have the ball in his hands as much as he needs it to be effective.

Matthews can still put up 18ppg without having the ball in his hands.....Parsons cant because hes a different player.

Seeing that parsons is playing really well, I think we can get some quality players that will make the Mavs a better team overall once we get the STAR that can actually help us compete with the top teams in the NBA.
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That's an odd conclusion to come to about a guy who has never averaged over 16.4 PPG, and is currently putting up 12.8 PPG.

I mean, I get your point about Parsons, but trying to juxtapose his scoring ability with Wes isn't working for this argument... Matthews has been somewhat ineffective with or without the ball in his hands.
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That's an odd conclusion to come to about a guy who has never averaged over 16.4 PPG, and is currently putting up 12.8 PPG.

I mean, I get your point about Parsons, but trying to juxtapose his scoring ability with Wes isn't working for this argument... Matthews has been somewhat ineffective with or without the ball in his hands.
Yeah, there is literally *zero* chance Matthews averages 18 PPG for the rest of career. (Unless he scores 18 points in a season opener and has a season-ending injury.)

As you said, healthy, Prime Matthews never did that. This one is most likely a 10-15 PPG scorer for the rest of his career. He just has no lift and that doesn't come back. It ruined his very solid post-up game. And he could never drive. Even with the increased cap, he'd have to round back into a 40%+ 3-point shooter to remotely justify that contract...not sure if that will happen.
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Wait so Matthews is a role-player and if he is just a role player being paid 16-18m that is fine. Parsons has to be a star tho and carry the team if not we need to trade him? Why does Parsons have to be a "star"? Why can't he be a part of a "core"? Why does a guy being paid more get to have lower expectations?
Parson was brought in to become a star player for the mavs and so far he has failed. Even he said he would take the next step with the mavs but so far no luck. He was supposed to be the 2nd leading scorer last year but was 3rd. Supposed to be this year but it is Dwill. Hey I'm disappointed at Matthews but he was brought in to be and 3 and D role guy. Parsons was brought in to be a franchise player but looks like that will never happen. Overall both players are result of Mark Cuban inability to draft. He rather sign a 2nd round pick to a Max then hire scouts and get rookie players for minimal salary. Dirk is still the main guy on this team so making Dirk the 2nd best player has failed. We are currently in year 5 of mediocrity.
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