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SMC0007 · 03-01-2019, 09:17 AM

Fwiw.. boogie looked pretty good last night vs Vuce and Magic.

sefant77 · 03-01-2019, 09:39 AM

I still take chemistry (Vuc) over a few more % of skill...both are also the same age.

EricaLubarsky · 03-01-2019, 09:46 AM

Vuc 12pts, 13reb, 6ast, 3blks last night

Orlando now 8 seed and currently in the playoff picture.

Wonder if that changes our chances at Vuc leaving.

SMC0007 · 03-01-2019, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Vuc 12pts, 13reb, 6ast, 3blks last night

Orlando now 8 seed and currently in the playoff picture.

Wonder if that changes our chances at Vuc leaving.

Would Orl pay him max when they have Bamba? That seems to be the question to answer first. As far as him wanting to stay, It's not like Orlando is better than us next year. Right now they only have two more wins and the same losses as we do AND we don't have KP. Not to mention Doncic is better than any prospect they have by far and KP is better than anyone else they have too.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-01-2019, 11:34 AM

A big question is whether or not KP can guard the perimeter if we sign Vuc. Most 4s are mobile or SFs pretending to be 4s (Barnes etc) so he will inevitably have to move out because Vuc is too slow to do any sort of perimeter duty on a consistent basis. That actually is a pretty big issue if you think about it because KP's best attribute is shot blocking.

sefant77 · 03-01-2019, 11:58 AM

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A big question is whether or not KP can guard the perimeter if we sign Vuc. Most 4s are mobile or SFs pretending to be 4s (Barnes etc) so he will inevitably have to move out because Vuc is too slow to do any sort of perimeter duty on a consistent basis. That actually is a pretty big issue if you think about it because KP's best attribute is shot blocking.

Yeah BUT with some easy rotation quirks Rick is able to reduce the KP/Vuc combo to 16-20 minutes a game easily. And you can also force opponent to go bigger at PF, when they are getting destroyed in terms of rebounding/2nd chance points etc.

I still dont have much worries about it. Sub out Vuc or KP early in the 1st and 3rd for Kleber and there you go....

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Would Orl pay him max when they have Bamba? That seems to be the question to answer first. As far as him wanting to stay, It's not like Orlando is better than us next year. Right now they only have two more wins and the same losses as we do AND we don't have KP. Not to mention Doncic is better than any prospect they have by far and KP is better than anyone else they have too.

Again, tricky situation for the GM, who pretty sure didnt expect such a season from Vuc. Paying Vuc now huge money on a long contract and he basically admits that his Bamba draft was shit. I also think it wouldnt take long and Bamba demands a trade after re-signing Vuc...

And playoff race in the east still open until #11. Even the Wizards have just two losses more

SMC0007 · 03-01-2019, 12:14 PM

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Yeah BUT with some easy rotation quirks Rick is able to reduce the KP/Vuc combo to 16-20 minutes a game easily. And you can also force opponent to go bigger at PF, when they are getting destroyed in terms of rebounding/2nd chance points etc.

I still dont have much worries about it. Sub out Vuc or KP early in the 1st and 3rd for Kleber and there you go....

Again, tricky situation for the GM, who pretty sure didnt expect such a season from Vuc. Paying Vuc now huge money on a long contract and he basically admits that his Bamba draft was shit. I also think it wouldnt take long and Bamba demands a trade after re-signing Vuc...

And playoff race in the east still open until #11. Even the Wizards have just two losses more

Tricky indeed for them! BUT he is UFA so it's his choice if he leaves and that may take some pressure off of them in the ordeal. Orlando isn't contending without more help than what Vuce can give so just rebuild with Bamba, gordon, fultz, isaac perhaps.

SMC0007 · 03-01-2019, 12:03 PM

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A big question is whether or not KP can guard the perimeter if we sign Vuc. Most 4s are mobile or SFs pretending to be 4s (Barnes etc) so he will inevitably have to move out because Vuc is too slow to do any sort of perimeter duty on a consistent basis. That actually is a pretty big issue if you think about it because KP's best attribute is shot blocking.

Here is a decent breakdown about it.

https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2...-the-perimeter

Kp is so long and mobile he should be fine on the perimeter. Most teams PF dont do a ton of damage alone from the perimeter, it's the mismatch onto a guard that causes trouble for everyone. I'm not concerned, our coaching staff should be able to come up with enough schemes to maximize our bigs. If teams want to launch 3s over 7'3 KP and vuce when the game slows down go right ahead, you better make it tho because you only got one shot.

turin · 03-01-2019, 01:53 PM

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Here is a decent breakdown about it.

https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2...-the-perimeter

Kp is so long and mobile he should be fine on the perimeter. Most teams PF dont do a ton of damage alone from the perimeter, it's the mismatch onto a guard that causes trouble for everyone. I'm not concerned, our coaching staff should be able to come up with enough schemes to maximize our bigs. If teams want to launch 3s over 7'3 KP and vuce when the game slows down go right ahead, you better make it tho because you only got one shot.

With long guys like that, play more zone. Need to adapt play to players strengths. Vuc, KP combo would be a unique Twin Towers lineup. With something that unique, I wouldn't be so quick to shoe horn them into the conventional. Try some things out. Add Luka's height in there, and I'm really liking the size possibilities with big lineup.

SMC0007 · 03-01-2019, 02:51 PM

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With long guys like that, play more zone. Need to adapt play to players strengths. Vuc, KP combo would be a unique Twin Towers lineup. With something that unique, I wouldn't be so quick to shoe horn them into the conventional. Try some things out. Add Luka's height in there, and I'm really liking the size possibilities with big lineup.

Yea, we should never have rebounding issues with that lineup. With a team like this, a lethal offense helps the defense. It's always adding pressure to the other to score and if you start pulling away teams are much more likely to fold and take bad shots and gamble. Similar to when GSW makes runs, it's so hard to make up that ground. Obviously, We would be doing it a little differently.

EricaLubarsky · 03-01-2019, 12:26 PM

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A big question is whether or not KP can guard the perimeter if we sign Vuc. Most 4s are mobile or SFs pretending to be 4s (Barnes etc) so he will inevitably have to move out because Vuc is too slow to do any sort of perimeter duty on a consistent basis. That actually is a pretty big issue if you think about it because KP's best attribute is shot blocking.

KP is decent. Not great foot speed, but his length (7'3" with 7'6" wingspan) can bother people which lets him recover well. His weak-side defense is underrated (2.7 blocks per 36) as well. It means if he's bullied, he still has enough length to bother the shot and if he's blown by, he can still recover if he's only a few inches or feet behind when the player releases. Last year he was in the top 15% of forwards in defensive win share. Height/length is huge.

More than anything I think if we get Vuc, it's to play them interchangeably. KP will probably only average 25-30 min a game next year and Doncic will average probably close to 35-36 mpg next year, which means Vuc and KP will probably only play about half of their minutes together. Sometimes it will be Doncic/KP and sometimes it will be Doncic/Vuc. Occasionally we'll be able to play all three players-- particularly in the final minutes. Vuc lets us reduce KP's minutes to keep him healthy and provides yet another piece that can excel in a smart flow offense.

The thing I wouldn't mind investigating, though is to get a bulky forward capable of rebounding hard and defending) as well as staying with faster forwards (Siakam/Middleton are exemplars who are immovable, but there are some cheaper options available). That way KP and Vuc can guard the slower/bigger player and we have someone who can really mix it up with forwards.

sefant77 · 03-01-2019, 02:07 PM

My pipedream lineup:
Luka 6-8
DFS 6-8
Zion 6-7 but still growing and plays much bigger anyway
KP 7-3
Vuc 7-0

that would be fun

SMC0007 · 03-01-2019, 02:52 PM

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My pipedream lineup:
Luka 6-8
DFS 6-8
Zion 6-7 but still growing and plays much bigger anyway
KP 7-3
Vuc 7-0

that would be fun

How about a very enthusiastic yet more realistic lineup?

sefant77 · 03-01-2019, 03:21 PM

Hey, that has a 4-6% of happening...thats a good number for pipedreams!

SMC0007 · 03-01-2019, 03:27 PM

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Hey, that has a 4-6% of happening...thats a good number for pipedreams!

I get it, and don't blame you. I'm just curious about a slightly higher % lineup.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-01-2019, 06:24 PM

You can scratch Bledsoe off the list. 4/70 extension with the Bucks.

Underdog · 03-01-2019, 07:04 PM

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You can scratch Bledsoe off the list. 4/70 extension with the Bucks.

So that leaves either Middleton or Brogdon ripe for the taking.

EricaLubarsky · 03-01-2019, 07:29 PM

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So that leaves either Middleton or Brogdon ripe for the taking.

Still got 26mill until they're in the tax range. That's enough for one, but not both of those guys to get a huge deal. Are they planning on just paying tax to keep them all there, or will one leak out?

SMC0007 · 03-01-2019, 08:38 PM

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Still got 26mill until they're in the tax range. That's enough for one, but not both of those guys to get a huge deal. Are they planning on just paying tax to keep them all there, or will one leak out?

May depend on how deep they run in the playoffs

Me.B · 03-01-2019, 10:48 PM

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May depend on how deep they run in the playoffs

That’s definitely going to be the key. If they make a deep run they’ll likely sign both and will have a 2 year window to win a title before Giannis has to make a decision. I believe they will go all out to win a title (or at least get to a Finals) within that time frame. If they resign those guys and don’t get close to a Finals I think there’s a good chance Giannis leaves.

sefant77 · 03-01-2019, 08:58 PM

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Still got 26mill until they're in the tax range. That's enough for one, but not both of those guys to get a huge deal. Are they planning on just paying tax to keep them all there, or will one leak out?

Your mistake is that you are counting George Hill with 19m next season. Just one million is guaranteed, so of course they are going to waive him and take the 1m dead cap.

The Bucks are going to take advantage that Giannis is still two years dirt cheap (25 and 27 instead of 40+) under contract. They will worry about the tax after 2021. And in 2021 the 20m of Ersan/Snell are gone.

Lets assume they bring back Middleton for 30m, Brogdon for 4/70 like Bledsoe and Lopez for around 10m (found a perfect fit in Milwaukee)

Giannis 26
Bledsoe 17
Middleton 30 (balllparking)
Brogdon 17
Lopez 10
Ersan/Snell 20
and 10 more for Wilson and other low paid players

Thats around 130, so they are able to stay around or under the tax line until 2021.

And dont forget, being a contender adds an insane amount of value, often worthy to pay some tax...

prokaznik · 03-02-2019, 12:20 AM

Do you guys think there's a chance that Marc Gasol opts out of his contract to sign here?

Half the team already speaks Spanish anyways

quietsavant · 03-04-2019, 12:03 AM

THIS! Been saying this over and over. What this team need if toughness moving forward to contend.. A heavy dose of enforcer/won't back down. Peppered with a little skill.. https://youtu.be/3nEbOFhp2Jc?t=134

Melonhead · 03-04-2019, 11:32 AM

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THIS! Been saying this over and over. What this team need if toughness moving forward to contend.. A heavy dose of enforcer/won't back down. Peppered with a little skill.. https://youtu.be/3nEbOFhp2Jc?t=134

Love JJ and hes absolutely right.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-04-2019, 12:22 PM

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THIS! Been saying this over and over. What this team need if toughness moving forward to contend.. A heavy dose of enforcer/won't back down. Peppered with a little skill.. https://youtu.be/3nEbOFhp2Jc?t=134

I agree. There are a few of these available this summer...Cousins, Green, Beverly, Etc. You can't have the Montrezl Harrells of the world eat us for breakfast. Gotta get a guy who isn't afraid of a hard foul.

saclare · 03-04-2019, 10:09 AM

Just want to add this board is a bevy of good posters and information. Great ideas and insights that keep me coming back. I don't have much to add but will continue to hype for Vucevic and Beverley.

EricaLubarsky · 03-04-2019, 12:14 PM

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Just want to add this board is a bevy of good posters and information. Great ideas and insights that keep me coming back. I don't have much to add but will continue to hype for Vucevic and Beverley.

Balance and bastards.

Underdog · 03-05-2019, 01:47 AM

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Balance and bastards.

Bring on Beverly! https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/s...10894424145920

sefant77 · 03-04-2019, 02:47 PM

Cousins isnt a tough player, he is an impulsive asshole....and other players love to tease him into technicals and ejections.

EricaLubarsky · 03-04-2019, 03:52 PM

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Cousins isnt a tough player, he is an impulsive asshole....and other players love to tease him into technicals and ejections.

He is extremely tough.

Tough on his own teammates.

saclare · 03-05-2019, 10:37 AM

Seems a weird narrative that Beverley can't shoot, as I heard again that may be a reason LeBron didn't run to contest or whatever was that "Lakers will live with" Beverley taking an outside shot. Weird because he's now shooting 39% on 3.5 three attempts a game with a career average up to 37.8% on 4.2 attempts. He plays his role so well and would fit right in here next to Luka.

SMC0007 · 03-05-2019, 12:28 PM

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Seems a weird narrative that Beverley can't shoot, as I heard again that may be a reason LeBron didn't run to contest or whatever was that "Lakers will live with" Beverley taking an outside shot. Weird because he's now shooting 39% on 3.5 three attempts a game with a career average up to 37.8% on 4.2 attempts. He plays his role so well and would fit right in here next to Luka.

The size of the fight in him is much bigger than 6ft, 185lb. His confidence is in its prime.

Murphy3 · 03-05-2019, 04:39 PM

And the last 4 years.... 39.1%

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-05-2019, 05:44 PM

It's Frank Isola, but he says the Mavs intend to pursue Durant in free agency.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...t-On-Mavericks

Underdog · 03-05-2019, 05:56 PM

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It's Frank Isola, but he says the Mavs intend to pursue Durant in free agency.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...t-On-Mavericks

We should.

Not sure what this line means though:

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Zach Lowe reported on a podcast that "Durant wasn't psyched about playing with Durant."

Are his burner accounts fighting now?

rmacomic · 03-05-2019, 06:02 PM

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We should.

Not sure what this line means though:

Are his burner accounts fighting now?

Nah, Lowe said Porzingis wasn't wanting to play with Durant, wanted to be the face of the Knicks before he was traded.

Me.B · 03-05-2019, 06:12 PM

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It's Frank Isola, but he says the Mavs intend to pursue Durant in free agency.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...t-On-Mavericks

I think he might have meant that KP didn’t want to play with Durant. When Durant made that comment about KP Lansing in a better situation for himself I thought it was a very telling comment even if it was just a little blurb at the end of his interview. First he wasn’t even asked about KP and second he views Dallas as a better situation than New York. Obviously we all know that as Mavs fans however I thought it was very interesting that Durant would notice that as well.

If Durant does want to come to Dallas (huge, massive IF) the team still would not be complete. They would still need to add some toughness and rebounding to the team. With Luka, Durant, and KP though they would be a team that veterans looking for a chance at ring would definitely want to play for.

This would never happen but I would love to see a lineup of:

Porzingis
Giannis
Durant
Marcus Smart (or Beverly)
Luka

sefant77 · 03-05-2019, 06:04 PM

Pursuing or not, i think they will know before the FA starts if they have a shot or not

sefant77 · 03-06-2019, 12:51 PM

Durant wont come. Because of Luka. Luka is allready WAY too popular and would remain the face of the franchise for the media and fans.

Playing 2nd fiddle, for that he can stay in GS. If Durant moves on from GS, it will be a team where he is the face and the hero (like the Knicks) for the franchise and for the fans.

SMC0007 · 03-06-2019, 03:43 PM

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Durant wont come. Because of Luka. Luka is allready WAY too popular and would remain the face of the franchise for the media and fans.

Playing 2nd fiddle, for that he can stay in GS. If Durant moves on from GS, it will be a team where he is the face and the hero (like the Knicks) for the franchise and for the fans.

I can't see Durant going to NY without assurance another big name is signing as well. I could see him wanting to play with Kyrie over Luka but not in NY over winning. If all he wanted was to be face of a franchise, why leave OKC.