Cuban Talks to Ballmer

[chumdawg]

I mean, really.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13...deandre-jordan

[Melonhead]

Honestly, if its the other way around, Cuban probably does the same thing. Jordan is the cack sucker here. Doesnt take away my infinite hate for that organization, and Im sure Cuban cant really say how he feels about Ballmer and his pack of goons.

[Kidd Karma]

Jordan had 2nd thoughts and the Clippers pounced. Nothing wrong with that. Is Jordan a man of his word, hell no.

Do we expect Cuban to be an asshole about this, no, he had his chance in Houston, he could have barged over to Jordan's house that night, but he didn't. He went about his business with dignity and class. The problem is between Jordan and Cuban, not Ballmer and Cuban. Jordan has yet to talk with Cuban in person.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Any other owner in Ballmer's position would have done the same thing. Hell, they'd be stupid not to. Jordan is the villain here.

[rimrocker]

Cuban knows inside he would have done the same thing so no sense crying over spilled milk.

Cuban, Donnie and even Parsons should have done their homework better and figured out he was a screwball during the vetting process when they were courting him.

Just be glad as a fan that we didn't get him.
He's perfect for what the Clips need but would have put us into perpetual mediocrity here and we probably would have still had a 7th seed ceiling this season with him.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Cuban knows inside he would have done the same thing so no sense crying over spilled milk.

Cuban, Donnie and even Parsons should have done their homework better and figured out he was a screwball during the vetting process when they were courting him.

Just be glad as a fan that we didn't get him.
He's perfect for what the Clips need but would have put us into perpetual mediocrity here and we probably would have still had a 7th seed ceiling this season with him.

Uh no, our future would look much better with him. The guy is easily worth the max he would have got from the mavs with rising cap, he would have made us more attractive to free agents, and our ceiling with him for 1 year would be limited? Yes, just like it is without him, but our ceiling with him going forward would have been much higher. He's easily worth a 20 million dollar salary in a 90 million dollar capped league.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Uh no, our future would look much better with him. The guy is easily worth the max he would have got from the mavs with rising cap, he would have made us more attractive to free agents, and our ceiling with him for 1 year would be limited? Yes, just like it is without him, but our ceiling with him going forward would have been much higher. He's easily worth a 20 million dollar salary in a 90 million dollar capped league.

What good is drawing free agents if the guy has no faith in himself as a franchise player? Our ceiling would be as high as he could take us and his actions are not the actions of a franchise player. I have no doubt after what he did in the off season that his FT' issues are in large part mental. He could sit in a gym all day every day till he shot a respectable % and I think he would come up small in big moments or more accurately, avoid the big moment at all costs all together. Is he worth the max? Yes. That means nothing since almost every good player right now is a max player with the cap going up.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

What good is drawing free agents if the guy has no faith in himself as a franchise player? Our ceiling would be as high as he could take us and his actions are not the actions of a franchise player. I have no doubt after what he did in the off season that his FT' issues are in large part mental. He could sit in a gym all day every day till he shot a respectable % and I think he would come up small in big moments or more accurately, avoid the big moment at all costs all together. Is he worth the max? Yes. That means nothing since almost every good player right now is a max player with the cap going up.

What he does off the court and what he does on the court are 2 completely different things. Even with his awful free throw shooting, Deandre Jordan is a extremely good NBA player, to suggest other wise is simply silly, he is a vastly underrated offensive player that people pay way too much attention to his free throw shooting.

And the bolded thing is quite simply a crock of shit, he is one of the top 30ish players or so in the NBA by advanced numbers and 26, he is worth a 20 million dollar a year salary over next 4 years, not many players are. Tyson Chandler who is good too, is not worth a max salary.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by mavs777

What he does off the court and what he does on the court are 2 completely different things. Even with his awful free throw shooting, Deandre Jordan is a extremely good NBA player, to suggest other wise is simply silly, he is a vastly underrated offensive player that people pay way too much attention to his free throw shooting.

And the bolded thing is quite simply a crock of shit, he is one of the top 30ish players or so in the NBA by advanced numbers and 26, he is worth a 20 million dollar a year salary over next 4 years, not many players are. Tyson Chandler who is good too, is not worth a max salary.

Go ahead and ignore the statement literally right before what you had to bold. I mean I clearly said he is worth the max but whatever. I never once said or implied he was not a good player(merely that he is a mental midget and it is absolutely valid to question what type of player he is going to be at his ceiling) but go ahead and rant away for absolutely no reason. And further, the statement I made is absolutely true considering who all is getting their max salary, simply stating "hes a max player" does not mean right now what it did last year. People called Parsons overpaid for getting his max. Now he is market value so stating Parsons is a max player is pointless because that can mean he is Jimmy Butler/Kawhi Leonard or it can mean he is Reggie Jackson/Khris Middleton.

Also if off the court ment nothing to on the court then where is Larry Sanders? I mean he is an elite rim protector on the court and worth a considerable amount of money... yet he's not on the court for any ON COURT reason? I'm sorry but we bent over backwards for that dude. That article that came out and explained just how much he led our entire organization on and then changed his mind and played card games instead of manning up.

Everything he did this off-season speaks to his character. Since when does character not play a role in a champion?

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Uh no, our future would look much better with him. The guy is easily worth the max he would have got from the mavs with rising cap, he would have made us more attractive to free agents, and our ceiling with him for 1 year would be limited? Yes, just like it is without him, but our ceiling with him going forward would have been much higher. He's easily worth a 20 million dollar salary in a 90 million dollar capped league.

With him not being the player that we expected and no PG or no true star, how would we break the 6th spot?

GSW, SA, OKC, Mem, and Houston would all still be better than us.
So we'd go from a 7th seed ceiling to a 6th seed ceiling with him.
Again, perpetual mediocrity.

My disappointment on him would be similar to hearing Parsons say that he just wants to be a role player. I thought the dude wanted to take it to the next level but obviously he wants to be a 5th option follower and be told every move to make.

Clips can keep him and we can rebuild after Dirk retires.

If we want an athletic 7ft head case then we might as well sign someone a hell of a lot cheaper like McGee.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

With him not being the player that we expected and no PG or no true star, how would we break the 6th spot?

GSW, SA, OKC, Mem, and Houston would all still be better than us.
So we'd go from a 7th seed ceiling to a 6th seed ceiling with him.
Again, perpetual mediocrity.

My disappointment on him would be similar to hearing Parsons say that he just wants to be a role player. I thought the dude wanted to take it to the next level but obviously he wants to be a 5th option follower and be told every move to make.

Clips can keep him and we can rebuild after Dirk retires.

If we want an athletic 7ft head case then we might as well sign someone a hell of a lot cheaper like McGee.

Javale McGee is an awful nba player, Deandre Jordan is an extremely good NBA player, there is no evidence that he is a headcase. Just cause he changed his mind doesn't make him a headcase.


With Deandre we are roughly a 48 win team, not a contender but with a ton of cap space next year. Without him and with these zaza/deron rebounds we are roughly a 43-45 win team, huge difference. Our future is much brighter with him, to say otherwise is shit.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Javale McGee is an awful nba player, Deandre Jordan is an extremely good NBA player, there is no evidence that he is a headcase. Just cause he changed his mind doesn't make him a headcase.


With Deandre we are roughly a 48 win team, not a contender but with a ton of cap space next year. Without him and with these zaza/deron rebounds we are roughly a 43-45 win team, huge difference. Our future is much brighter with him, to say otherwise is shit.

You state this as if it is an absolute. Yet it's entirely just your opinion. Just as it's perfectly fine(and not shit) to have the opinion that DJ, despite being a good player, is risky to build around given how he handled this off season. That bright future wouldn't be so bright if he changed his mind after 1 year of being a focal point of the team and wanted out.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Javale McGee is an awful nba player, Deandre Jordan is an extremely good NBA player, there is no evidence that he is a headcase. Just cause he changed his mind doesn't make him a headcase.


With Deandre we are roughly a 48 win team, not a contender but with a ton of cap space next year. Without him and with these zaza/deron rebounds we are roughly a 43-45 win team, huge difference. Our future is much brighter with him, to say otherwise is shit.

And maybe our future would be much brighter to start rebuilding this thing in 2 years instead of 5 with most likely the same amount of championships.

If Jordan and 2 superstars in their prime along with Reddick and Crawford can't get you a championship, what makes you think Jordan and no all-stars, let alone no superstars, are going to get you one?

The guy basically admited he has no desire to lead....that should be proof enough that he would have never taken us anywhere.
He's a hell of a role player but we are starving for a star.