PGT - Mavs punch Suns in the Gortats

[Dim499]

So Dirk has regressed in rebounding, no question. Should we waive him?

[bernardos70]

We should be able to dangle him in front of a team looking for some salary relief and get a decent talent back.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by DMOC

If an uncontested rebound opportunity drops between Dirk and someone like Marion, Dirk usually lets his teammate grab it.

Dirk's rebounding, our team ranking

08 - 8.6 9th added Kidd mid year
09- 8.4 5th Brandon Bass' last year
10- 7.7 17th added Marion, Gooden, Butler, Haywood
11 - 6.6 17th added Chandler

This is a concern, especially if we aren't fundamentally sound, ie blocking guys out, keeping them off the offensive boards, preventing multiple point blank taps at the basket. Defense and rebounding are 2 of the most fundamental parts of basketball, and we're faltering in both categories. Multiple close range opportunites at scoring need to be eliminated.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Dirk's rebounding, our team ranking

08 - 8.6 9th added Kidd mid year
09- 8.4 5th Brandon Bass' last year
10- 7.7 17th added Marion, Gooden, Butler, Haywood
11 - 6.6 17th added Chandler

This is a concern, especially if we aren't fundamentally sound, ie blocking guys out, keeping them off the offensive boards, preventing multiple point blank taps at the basket. Defense and rebounding are 2 of the most fundamental parts of basketball, and we're faltering in both categories. Multiple close range opportunites at scoring need to be eliminated.

I simply think we lack defensive talent even when were playing defense well earlier in the year, I wasn't impressed with Marion's defense (who is suppose to be our lockdown defender)

[ghazi]

Anyone concerned about our defensive regression (Butler injury hurt, but still)... now ranked 12th in defensive efficiency... offense has picked up though, but I digress..

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by mavs777

I wasn't impressed with Marion's defense (who is suppose to be our lockdown defender)

Wow.

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by ghazi

Anyone concerned about our defensive regression (Butler injury hurt, but still)... now ranked 12th in defensive efficiency... offense has picked up though, but I digress..

Just maybe our "great" defense the first 1 1/2month was the result of teams not being in "the flow" of things. Its natural progression for players to shoot better and play more efficiently as the season goes on.

[Underdog]

“I had that one big rebound, so I feel good about myself,” - Dirk Nowitzki

LOL, Dirk knows what's up - look for a 10-rebound performance against the Jazz...

[Bayliss]

Originally Posted by Underdog

LOL, Dirk knows what's up - look for a 10-rebound performance against the Jazz...

And that is why I love the Dirkster. He even pokes fun at himself!

[Mavericks Rockets Fan]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

BTW, screw that graphic during the game that listed the "league's top teams'" records against each other and didn't include the Mavs despite including two teams with worse records than the Mavs.

This.

Not to mention we are 1-0 against the Spurs, 2-0 against the Celtics, 2-0 against the Heat, and 1-0 against the Lakers when Dirk and Tyson Chandler play...

[twelli]

Originally Posted by dude1394

This is what I meant about questioning the word inexcusable. Meaning there was no reason, no excuse for him to get 1 rebound...when there very,very well could have been..it's just that no one really took the time (not saying I would either) to look at where those rebounds were.

I just watched the replay of the game from the end of the third quarter starting with our 9-0 run until the end of the fourth. Dirk didn't get any rebounds during that stretch. All the defense ones he could have grabbed were taken by Chandler, Marion or Kidd who were right beside him, none by a Phoenix player. All other balls rebounding from the board went the opposite side of the basket from were Dirk was. One Phoenix player did miss a second free throw, which lead to an offensive rebound by Phoenix, but from the camera angle it wasn't clear whether Dirk had a chance to get it or not. I'd say this particular game was just one were the balls didn't come his way. Of course his declining rebounding numbers are a worthy topic of discussion. Maybe a bit of a bad timing after his stellar shooting performance, though.

[DavidDaMonkey]

Originally Posted by twelli

I just watched the replay of the game from the end of the third quarter starting with our 9-0 run until the end of the fourth. Dirk didn't get any rebounds during that stretch. All the defense ones he could have grabbed were taken by Chandler, Marion or Kidd who were right beside him, none by a Phoenix player. All other balls rebounding from the board went the opposite side of the basket from were Dirk was. One Phoenix player did miss a second free throw, which lead to an offensive rebound by Phoenix, but from the camera angle it wasn't clear whether Dirk had a chance to get it or not. I'd say this particular game was just one were the balls didn't come his way. Of course his declining rebounding numbers are a worthy topic of discussion. Maybe a bit of a bad timing after his stellar shooting performance, though.

Are you bringing hard evidence to this argument? You are trying to use what you actually saw in a game to back up your point? Then you end it all by saying something reasonable?

Get that weaksauce outta here.

[twelli]

Just my observation.

Since when is posting here reserved for toughsauce die-hard fans only?

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by twelli

Just my observation.

Since when is posting here reserved for toughsauce die-hard fans only?

He was paying you a compliment homeboy

[twelli]

ohhh...

anyway, looking forward to Dirk returning as a rebound machine after the All-Star break

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by twelli

I just watched the replay of the game from the end of the third quarter starting with our 9-0 run until the end of the fourth. Dirk didn't get any rebounds during that stretch. All the defense ones he could have grabbed were taken by Chandler, Marion or Kidd who were right beside him, none by a Phoenix player. All other balls rebounding from the board went the opposite side of the basket from were Dirk was. One Phoenix player did miss a second free throw, which lead to an offensive rebound by Phoenix, but from the camera angle it wasn't clear whether Dirk had a chance to get it or not. I'd say this particular game was just one were the balls didn't come his way. Of course his declining rebounding numbers are a worthy topic of discussion. Maybe a bit of a bad timing after his stellar shooting performance, though.

Good for ya' twelli. If the other team isn't getting an offensive reound, then dirk "may" not be sloughing off down there which is what this criticism implies. He may...and you would expect his rebounding to suffer as he gets older. The thing I kind of resent is the implication that it's because he's a lazy ass out there.

[jthig32]

From my perspective, it's not that he's being lazy. It's the concern that he feels he has to conserve so much energy in order to be effective offensively that his rebounding game suffers dramatically. And my eyes certainly tell me that it has.

There's been some good counter points in this thread, and I certainly agree that winning in the regular season while Dirk is conserving energy is a good thing. My concern is centered around how much more energy he feels he can give in the non-offensive areas once the playoffs start (and as we move forward into next year and beyond).

[bobbyfg7]

I laughed for 5 minutes at the title if this thread. Kudos UD.