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Old 03-26-2023, 02:51 PM   #1
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Being serious. Best thing happen might be he asks for a trade. Should be able get 3-4 1st and 2-3 solid players. I?d try trade to team who gets this years first and draft that tall wibbley walley dude. Tired of luka and his style of play - it?s hard to win with him and not enjoyable to watch. Issue is Cuban is a big dummy and won?t trade him.
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Old 03-26-2023, 05:03 PM   #2
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Sorry. With all due respect. Any idea to trade Luka is dumb. He is a once in a lifetime talent.
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Old 03-31-2023, 02:29 PM   #3
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Vic W is rumored to be the best player to come to NBA since Lebron. So seems tempting. That said. Not trading Luka unless it's clear he wants out. How is it hard to win with Luka? They went to WCF last year with a roster of borderline starters and one dimensional players.
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Being serious. Best thing happen might be he asks for a trade. Should be able get 3-4 1st and 2-3 solid players. I?d try trade to team who gets this years first and draft that tall wibbley walley dude. Tired of luka and his style of play - it?s hard to win with him and not enjoyable to watch. Issue is Cuban is a big dummy and won?t trade him.
Tired of him and his style of play?

First, we don't give up generational talent because you don't look watching him or you're tired of him.

Second, what might those 1st rounders end up being, given that we're giving said team Luka and they likely had other pieces, or they never would have made the trade. Mid first round or later? So, we give up Luka and get the Mavs back, minus Luka? (ie, bunch of decent players, with no real star)? I'd bet whoever we made that trade with would be better than the Mavs for a long time.

Third, what's wrong with his style of play. You don't like scoring? Assists? Rebounds? Getting everyone else good shots? Is it pace? Mavs can do most fast breaking AND keep Luka....seems that would be the better option?
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Old 03-31-2023, 05:02 PM   #6
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Sorry. With all due respect. Any idea to trade Luka is dumb. He is a once in a lifetime talent.
I may actually defend Amare this time-- what the hell am I thinking?

This team as it is built isn't going anywhere. What happens if we roll into next season with another McGee (MLA guy who doesn't play) instead of Wood? Luka walks anyway. Kyrie either leaves or becomes our Beal. That 2029 pick looks REALLY scrummy for the Nets. Mavs have terrible talent and no future.

Trading Luka or Kyrie (or potentially both) is probably a smart call, because Luka's defense and inability to play with the team he has are real issues.

options
1) Trade Luka for a shit ton of good role players and picks. Think Randle/Robinson or Turner/Nesmith + picks. With Kyrie leading and Green/Hardy taking bigger roles, we could be really good

2) SnT Kyrie for some similar pieces (although SnT for Kyrie probably nets you less)

3) Trade both of them. Go hard on the young guys. Name Hardy and Green as the back-court starters for the near future and get some young talent at 3-5 to support them along with some nice picks.

4) Play this shit roster with this shit coach and go nowhere.

I personally would go with anything but 4.

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Old 04-01-2023, 10:04 PM   #7
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I may actually defend Amare this time-- what the hell am I thinking?

This team as it is built isn't going anywhere. What happens if we roll into next season with another McGee (MLA guy who doesn't play) instead of Wood? Luka walks anyway. Kyrie either leaves or becomes our Beal. That 2029 pick looks REALLY scrummy for the Nets. Mavs have terrible talent and no future.

Trading Luka or Kyrie (or potentially both) is probably a smart call, because Luka's defense and inability to play with the team he has are real issues.

options
1) Trade Luka for a shit ton of good role players and picks. Think Randle/Robinson or Turner/Nesmith + picks. With Kyrie leading and Green/Hardy taking bigger roles, we could be really good

2) SnT Kyrie for some similar pieces (although SnT for Kyrie probably nets you less)

3) Trade both of them. Go hard on the young guys. Name Hardy and Green as the back-court starters for the near future and get some young talent at 3-5 to support them along with some nice picks.

4) Play this shit roster with this shit coach and go nowhere.

I personally would go with anything but 4.
I have an idea. If they trade Luka it will because of the stupid owner that should be the one taking the heat so a better idea is for the whole Mavs fan base to tell Cuban to F off and lets all go follow other teams. I hope Luka goes elsewhere and wins MVPs, titles etc and the Mavs wallow in lottery land for a decade or more. F Cuban
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I may actually defend Amare this time-- what the hell am I thinking?

This team as it is built isn't going anywhere. What happens if we roll into next season with another McGee (MLA guy who doesn't play) instead of Wood? Luka walks anyway. Kyrie either leaves or becomes our Beal. That 2029 pick looks REALLY scrummy for the Nets. Mavs have terrible talent and no future.

Trading Luka or Kyrie (or potentially both) is probably a smart call, because Luka's defense and inability to play with the team he has are real issues.

options
1) Trade Luka for a shit ton of good role players and picks. Think Randle/Robinson or Turner/Nesmith + picks. With Kyrie leading and Green/Hardy taking bigger roles, we could be really good

2) SnT Kyrie for some similar pieces (although SnT for Kyrie probably nets you less)

3) Trade both of them. Go hard on the young guys. Name Hardy and Green as the back-court starters for the near future and get some young talent at 3-5 to support them along with some nice picks.

4) Play this shit roster with this shit coach and go nowhere.

I personally would go with anything but 4.
So, you want to start 'the process'. Philly did that for years and years, and while it does seem to be paying off now, remember it took years and years of utter failure. Rockets did the same thing, and where are they at now? Do you really want to wait 5, 6, 7, 8 years before the Mavs are any good again???

Trading Kyrie might make sense. No idea what his view of staying is. While the Mavs clearly regressed after the trade, its not his fault...it's what they gave up (any semblance of defense). Kyrie for Anthony Davis might make sense, but are Mavs fans ready for a guy injured WAY more often than KP?

What I saw in last couple of games is a team *finally* playing hard again, but that lets too many easy buckets in, and just can't close out defensive situations with a key rebound. 2 7 footers on the floor, and can't rebound (and that's not on McGee). Some of this is want to...anyone in the NBA can rebound, and block out. You just have to want to. Saw Luka standing idly by too often while other team drove to the rim, or got a key rebound. That's got to stop. But these things seem more addressable than blowing it up and waiting years to see how that all works out. Heck, McGee is already showing how change can happen from within...he's a completely different player these last few games, and was the main reason the Mavs were close in them. Woods, though? notsomuch. You can clearly see why they had been playing him limited minutes. It's not his offense, but Mavs don't need offense. It's his defense and rebounding. Will that click for him? If not, then perhaps he's the one they should trade...but other teams see him the same way.

Any chance at all of getting DFS back somehow. Did he seem like what we were missing against Miami (no one could guard Jimmy B)? He's not happy in Brooklyn, and not playing well. Something to explore...would make a HUGE difference here. Miss Dinwiddie's defense as well.

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Let's also remember on this stupid thread that Cuban already did blow it up before - in 2012 and that led to not advancing in the playoffs once until Luka led them to the western conference finals last year by single handedly dismantling the Suns in the First half 27 - 27. But ya let's go ahead and trade Luka at age 24 because your beloved owner is a moron.
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Let's also remember on this stupid thread that Cuban already did blow it up before - in 2012 and that led to not advancing in the playoffs once until Luka led them to the western conference finals last year by single handedly dismantling the Suns in the First half 27 - 27. But ya let's go ahead and trade Luka at age 24 because your beloved owner is a moron.
TCuban spent twenty years mortgaging the future of the team to get talent for Dirk. He didn't always succeed (I agree he and Donnie deserve blame for poor management) but he kept putting things on his credit card. When we got Luka, we simply didn't have the talent nor the assets to build a team. The credit card was maxed out and we didn't have anything to show for it.

Smart teams know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. If Kyrie leaves, we're down multiple draft picks (2024/2029), down Kyrie, and the talent around Luka is going to be absolutely atrocious. If we come back next year down Kyrie and Wood without much to show for it, do you honestly think Luka won't ask for a trade? If he gives us an ultimatum to improve the team or trade him and we have no assets to get talent, what do we do then? If the trade request goes public, teams know we're desperate and we get less for him.

Sometimes when you go to a casino and keep losing, the best bet is to walk away. I think this might be the situation, as terrible as that will be for the next 2-10 years. Still, teams that realize they don't have it have been successful in blowing it up and rebuilding with young guys (Celts, Thunder, etc.).

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TCuban spent twenty years mortgaging the future of the team to get talent for Dirk. He didn't always succeed (I agree he and Donnie deserve blame for poor management) but he kept putting things on his credit card. When we got Luka, we simply didn't have the talent nor the assets to build a team. The credit card was maxed out and we didn't have anything to show for it.

Smart teams know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. If Kyrie leaves, we're down multiple draft picks (2024/2029), down Kyrie, and the talent around Luka is going to be absolutely atrocious. If we come back next year down Kyrie and Wood without much to show for it, do you honestly think Luka won't ask for a trade? If he gives us an ultimatum to improve the team or trade him and we have no assets to get talent, what do we do then? If the trade request goes public, teams know we're desperate and we get less for him.

Sometimes when you go to a casino and keep losing, the best bet is to walk away. I think this might be the situation, as terrible as that will be for the next 2-10 years. Still, teams that realize they don't have it have been successful in blowing it up and rebuilding with young guys (Celts, Thunder, etc.).
What you say about looking bleak is true. I agree. I don't agree the reason why they were bad from 2012 to 2018 was because Cuban maxed out the credit card. It was actually the opposite. He didn't want to go into the luxury tax and keep the Championship team together because he thought he would be locked into that team and didn't realize that he would have been able to flip assets on the fly and potentially rebuild through trades etc. He was pinning the future on dry powder.

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Just a deeply idiotic suggestion to trade Luka regardless of what happens with Kyrie and Wood this offseason.

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Smart teams know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. If Kyrie leaves, we're down multiple draft picks (2024/2029), down Kyrie, and the talent around Luka is going to be absolutely atrocious. If we come back next year down Kyrie and Wood without much to show for it, do you honestly think Luka won't ask for a trade?
If we lose Kyrie and Wood without getting anything back, via a sign n trade, then the FO is a disaster and they should all leave. They should have had this plan in place when they traded for Kyrie, because that was a very dumb thing to do otherwise (trade away 2 key pieces of team for a 2 month rental, unlikely to make a major difference this year).
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