Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread

[purplefrog]

Neither Kidd nor Cuban seem to ever take responsibility for this lousy season. At least RC would occasionally take the blame for a loss. But I cannot remember ever hearing Kidd say "This one is on me".

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

The ONLY logic is they didn?t think they?d beat the Kings as starters. OKC was not going to lose to the jazz. It really just shows how incompetent this organization is and it starts at the top with billionaire guy living out his fantasy of owning an nba team.

Womp. Truth bomb

[Melonhead]

Just my opinion, but I could see Silver using Dallas to make an example out of:

If a harsh penalty drops, Cuban would totally turn this circus into a lawsuit

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Just my opinion, but I could see Silver using Dallas to make an example out of:

If a harsh penalty drops, Cuban would totally turn this circus into a lawsuit

The good news is the current CBA only requires fines.

Cuban gets hit for a million or whatever

Mavs fans aren't hit with a lost pick.

I see that as a win. Cuban suffers and it starts turning him on Kidd. Mavs aren't hurt with a lost pick.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

The good news is the current CBA only requires fines.

Cuban gets hit for a million or whatever

Mavs fans aren't hit with a lost pick.

I see that as a win. Cuban suffers and it starts turning him on Kidd. Mavs aren't hurt with a lost pick.

Good to know the pick can?t be taken

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

The good news is the current CBA only requires fines.

Cuban gets hit for a million or whatever

Mavs fans aren't hit with a lost pick.

I see that as a win. Cuban suffers and it starts turning him on Kidd. Mavs aren't hurt with a lost pick.

I could see it being 1 mil. He's been fined $600k for this already in 2018.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Any other coach would be instantly fired after doing that minus maybe Pop. Cuban just had Kidd's back too! Why would Kidd do that? It's so bizarre how terrible and embarrassing our team is.

[sig]

Jazz win. Mavs lose to spurs and can forge tie for 9th draft pick pending drawing.

[Dallas41]

I wish the league had a way to take the actual pick from them and give it to NY anyway

I hated the entire idea of tanking especially since the west was wide open and no team in the top 4 of the west was safe in the 1st round

I wouldn't be shocked if Denver, Sacramento, Memphis or Phoenix went home in the 1st round.

As for cuban I really don't care he deserves to be hit hard by a fine or draft Pick

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Any other coach would be instantly fired after doing that minus maybe Pop. Cuban just had Kidd's back too! Why would Kidd do that? It's so bizarre how terrible and embarrassing our team is.

Kidd told the truth

Fuck cuban he made the call so live with the consequences.

Kidd didn't make all the boneheaded financial decisions for this organization cuban did that Shit.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Kidd told the truth

Fuck cuban he made the call so live with the consequences.

Kidd didn't make all the boneheaded financial decisions for this organization cuban did that Shit.

It doesn't matter. Why purposely hurt your team by making it a public embarrassment? That stuff doesn't just land on Cuban ya know.

Shouting to the world that you're tanking is just plain stupid no matter how bad Cuban is as an owner.

To me, it's Kidd deferring any responsibility per usual.

Both suck, but Kidd has been bombing pressers all season long. No logic in doing that.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I wish the league had a way to take the actual pick from them and give it to NY anyway

I hated the entire idea of tanking especially since the west was wide open and no team in the top 4 of the west was safe in the 1st round

I wouldn't be shocked if Denver, Sacramento, Memphis or Phoenix went home in the 1st round.

As for cuban I really don't care he deserves to be hit hard by a fine or draft Pick

Okc would?ve easily won tomorrow since Grizz is sitting everyone. Mavs weren?t getting in. There?s no moral victory in winning out, missing the play in as an 11 seed, and losing the pick.

We can talk about how mid the west is, but Mavs aren?t part of that conversation because they aren?t a 5/6/7/8 seed with the ability to even face those 4 teams. They suck. You?re lying to yourself if you say otherwise.

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

The good news is the current CBA only requires fines.

Cuban gets hit for a million or whatever

Mavs fans aren't hit with a lost pick.

I see that as a win. Cuban suffers and it starts turning him on Kidd. Mavs aren't hurt with a lost pick.

One of our local sports guys on the news last night said penalties could include losing their pick and even forcing Cuban to sell the team. He might be wrong but that was his analysis.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

One of our local sports guys on the news last night said penalties could include losing their pick and even forcing Cuban to sell the team. He might be wrong but that was his analysis.

LMAO then this corrupt league would end. They are seriously run like mafia where it's cool to do anything shady and wrong as long as you don't announce it. That's insane.

Tampering, players sitting, and awful refs is a league problem that they refuse to resolve and just allow to happen.

Instead of just lowering the season to 70 games, they are doing something nobody wants with a dumb midseason tournament.

Kidd and Cuban are dumb, but let's not that the distract from the NBA pointing a finger right at itself with this crap.

[tap2390]

Exactly. League had to make an immediate response and show of investigating because of our dumbass coach, but this will get swept under the rug along with MJ?s gambling, the Donaghy scandal, hell even the Mavs sexual assault allegations.

[BPo001]

Matthew Tynan: So, both Spurs and Mavs will be sitting like half their rosters, and both teams would objectively be better off losing. But it?s basically must-lose for Dallas. I doubt SA is going to do anything weird in-game just to keep their shot at guaranteeing a top-6 pick. Mavs are all in. ? via Twitter Matthew_Tynan

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Okc would?ve easily won tomorrow since Grizz is sitting everyone. Mavs weren?t getting in. There?s no moral victory in winning out, missing the play in as an 11 seed, and losing the pick.

We can talk about how mid the west is, but Mavs aren?t part of that conversation because they aren?t a 5/6/7/8 seed with the ability to even face those 4 teams. They suck. You?re lying to yourself if you say otherwise.

I guess we can agree to disagree

In fact I don't believe the 10th pick is really going to land anyone that makes an impact for this roster next year.

Maybe they trade it to help acquire a talented veteran but at this point I'm not trusting this FO to construct a roster and put pieces around Luka before he walks

[EricaLubarsky]

Yeah Jazz have one more game and it's the Lakers on ESPN. If they win and we lose, we COULD split the 9th/10th (8th/9th in the bizarre circumstance where the Bulls beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks)

Possibilities with a win today (Bulls going 2-0 in play-in would reduce each position by 1)
10/11/12 tie - 32.1% chance of keeping pick - Thunder/Bulls win
10/11 tie - 44.6% chance of keeping pick - Thunder or Bulls win
10 sole ownership - 79.8% chance of keeping pick - Thunder/Bulls lose

Possibilities with a loss today (Bulls going 2-0 in play-in would reduce each position by 1)
10 sole ownership - 79.8% chance of keeping pick - Jazz lose
9/10 tie - 88.3% chance of keeping pick - Jazz win

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Was a bit alarming at Sunday brunch that one of the servers saw my Luka phone case and commented that we might lose our draft pick. Just his opinion, but it's pretty wild how this out of control this thing has gotten. He absolutely wanted Kidd gone too.

I'm still a deer in headlights that anyone could keep their job after doing that. If we did lose our pick, then Kidd would HAVE to go. There is no other way.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Yeah Jazz have one more game and it's the Lakers on ESPN. If they win and we lose, we COULD split the 9th/10th (8th/9th in the bizarre circumstance where the Bulls beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks)

Possibilities with a win today (Bulls going 2-0 in play-in would reduce each position by 1)
10/11/12 tie - 32.1% chance of keeping pick - Thunder/Bulls win
10/11 tie - 44.6% chance of keeping pick - Thunder or Bulls win
10 sole ownership - 79.8% chance of keeping pick - Thunder/Bulls lose

Possibilities with a loss today (Bulls going 2-0 in play-in would reduce each position by 1)
10 sole ownership - 79.8% chance of keeping pick - Jazz lose
9/10 tie - 88.3% chance of keeping pick - Jazz win

Bulls win and OKC is up. Jazz losing to Lakers so this game might be pointless anyway

[EricaLubarsky]

It's going to be a long wait until May 16th

Then June 22nd (assuming we don't lose the pick to Silver being a dick or bad lottery ball draws)

[Melonhead]

Dead serious Mavs got to see if they can get a buy low deal on Gobert.

They want him out of there, THJ and filler can get it done.

[Melonhead]

Wood said fuck the exit interview

Kyrie smartly declines his exit interview. Questions would be about future, happiness in Dallas, and questions about the tank job.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Wood said fuck the exit interview

Kyrie smartly declines his exit interview. Questions would be about future, happiness in Dallas, and questions about the tank job.

This truly is the darkest timeline

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

This truly is the darkest timeline

Its kind of crazy, all the things we've been complaining about for years on the fringes of this organization regarding ownership, coach, past mistakes regarding building a winning roster; like all of these things collided together this season.

Its the worst of the worst outcomes

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I guess we can agree to disagree

In fact I don't believe the 10th pick is really going to land anyone that makes an impact for this roster next year.

Maybe they trade it to help acquire a talented veteran but at this point I'm not trusting this FO to construct a roster and put pieces around Luka before he walks

They have a 5% chance at the French dude, and almost 15% chance at top 4.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Its kind of crazy, all the things we've been complaining about for years on the fringes of this organization regarding ownership, coach, past mistakes regarding building a winning roster; like all of these things collided together this season.

Its the worst of the worst outcomes

And it all started in 2019. I was met with a lot of resistance around here when I said how that summer would haunt the team in future years. They literally just were asleep at the wheel and didn't seem to care other than keeping KP.

4 years of total ineptitude.

[tap2390]

Hypothetically, if the Pistons win the lottery and take Wemby, what would you give up for Jalen Duren? Would you give up Green, Hardy, and #10?

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Hypothetically, if the Pistons win the lottery and take Wemby, what would you give up for Jalen Duren? Would you give up Green, Hardy, and #10?

I?ll admit I know nothing about Duren, but I don?t think I?d make that deal. Those 2 players and our pico are literally the only assets we have. Plus Green and Hardy are both on rookie contracts which might be important if we are able to bring back Kyrie. Mavs have a lot of money tied up on only a few guys (Luka, THJ, Bertans).

[saclare]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Hypothetically, if the Pistons win the lottery and take Wemby, what would you give up for Jalen Duren? Would you give up Green, Hardy, and #10?

Why is Duren worth that much? He might be worth the 10th pick and filler, maaaybe Green to realign roster for needs. But absolutely not worth all 3 and if that's their stance, move along. Plus, I think Stewart would be the odd man out as Duren fits next to Wemby better IMO

[Melonhead]

So relieved this season is over. We don?t have to worry about a coin toss. Long wait until June 22 to see if a team jumps the Mavs.

[saclare]

Alright folks, glad I stayed away for the weekend. Got what I wanted and that was maximizing the shot at the pick. Still work to do as there's always the (much lower now) chance that someone jumps ahead. But for the next month until the balls drop, that's what I'll presume.

Not sure some here are grasping the optionality that the pick offers. Some here are making posts and declarations that a rookie won't move the needle much. While I'd argue against that and even bring up the ole Bane supporters for that, why are you ignoring the fact that our tradeable assets just got a shot in the arm? I fully expect the Mavs to trade this pick for a "win-now" piece aka a vet with a proven skill set to fit with Luka and Kyrie. I haven't taken a dive into possible targets, but we would be wise to track both top 15 prospects and veteran trade targets.

I also see a lot of you bought into the new Timmy MacMahon. If you haven't seen that this guy has sold his soul to ESPN for probably 3 years running now, I can't help ya. Wayyyy too many other good follows than to have his drama king wannabe, stirring the pot "journalism" across my feed. Glad Luka called him out on it in his exit presser.

Time to retool, no time to dwell on this shitty season. My only hope is the gigantic amount of egg on the face of this owner and FO help them to recognize failures (words have been said but need action) and pivot to build a roster around Luka (and hopefully Kyrie) better. The single most important thing that has been said to this point is that they need to earn Luka's time here and that it's not given. Seems they understand this won't be Dirk 2.0 and they can't endure another cluster, at least not a season-long one.

[Melonhead]

Shannon Sharpe nailed it paraphrasing

?Cuban wouldn?t give Brunson 130 million but now you think he?s gonna give Kyrie 275 million??

?I don?t care what load of crap Cuban tells you about Brunson bottom line he didn?t believe Brunson could do what he did in a contract year somewhere else?

Cuban will be the reason if Kyrie doesn?t come back.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Well it's strange anyone would be skeptical of the 10th pick when we just drafted a full time contributor at 37.

Now, FA is another story. Will they finally do something significant other than just trying to keep Kyrie? And will Cuban even pay for Kyrie what you know it'll cost to keep him?

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well it's strange anyone would be skeptical of the 10th pick when we just drafted a full time contributor at 37.

Now, FA is another story. Will they finally do something significant other than just trying to keep Kyrie? And will Cuban even pay for Kyrie what you know it'll cost to keep him?

Yeah unless it?s a bonafide vet defensive stopper and/or rim protector, I?d keep the pick in a heartbeat. I know we don?t draft often but guys these days can be immediate contributors when you?re drafting that high. Mavs like to draft projects so we aren?t used to guys like Hardy.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Shannon Sharpe nailed it paraphrasing

?Cuban wouldn?t give Brunson 130 million but now you think he?s gonna give Kyrie 275 million??

?I don?t care what load of crap Cuban tells you about Brunson bottom line he didn?t believe Brunson could do what he did in a contract year somewhere else?

Cuban will be the reason if Kyrie doesn?t come back.

A couple of counterpoints...

Brunson never gave the Mavs a shot at offering that much. At that point, they had already let the early extension deadline pass and FA was the play. Typically, the incumbent team get a chance to match or counteroffer a higher deal. By all accounts, this never happened.

Kyrie will likely sign something around 5 years and $250M. Again, media driven narratives that Kyrie is the issue when we have heard quite the opposite from teammates, including multiple who have flat said they bought into it and he's nothing like the way he's portrayed to the public.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Yeah unless it?s a bonafide vet defensive stopper and/or rim protector, I?d keep the pick in a heartbeat. I know we don?t draft often but guys these days can be immediate contributors when you?re drafting that high. Mavs like to draft projects so we aren?t used to guys like Hardy.

Absolutely agree. I just tend to think the Mavs will push for that first and would be more than happy to make the pick. They still have to have someone like a guy so much in order to make that trade, as wouldn't the Mavs have to make the pick in order to trade since the KP conveyance still looms?

[SMC0007]

From what we know at the moment, Kidd will still be here next season. If you draft at 10, who really has confidence that guy wont be stuck on the bench? This org is so full of contradictions and confusion, I have no idea what they tenative plans are. Surely they fully shop the 10th pick and only draft as a back up plan. You can't tank and say all this about keeping Luka and Kyrie then try to draft and rely on a rookie at this stage. I'm sure a few rookies would be nice additions right away, but we MUST get a high level Big. We also need a 2 way wing.

Conversations with Kyrie are top priority. You have to know exactly where he stands. We can't afford for him to decide to just peace out for nothing. If he isn't 100% sold on being here, do everything to facilitate his move.

FO isn't really even going to have an off season.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

So relieved this season is over. We don?t have to worry about a coin toss. Long wait until June 22 to see if a team jumps the Mavs.

IMPORTANT DATES
1) May 16th - NBA Draft Lottery. We will know what pick we have (and if we have the pick at all)

13.6% chance of a top-four pick
65.9% chance we keep the pick
20.2% chance Knicks get the 11th pick

2) June 22nd - lottery itself where we see who we can get and/or if we trade the pick

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

From what we know at the moment, Kidd will still be here next season. If you draft at 10, who really has confidence that guy wont be stuck on the bench? This org is so full of contradictions and confusion, I have no idea what they tenative plans are. Surely they fully shop the 10th pick and only draft as a back up plan. You can't tank and say all this about keeping Luka and Kyrie then try to draft and rely on a rookie at this stage. I'm sure a few rookies would be nice additions right away, but we MUST get a high level Big. We also need a 2 way wing.

Conversations with Kyrie are top priority. You have to know exactly where he stands. We can't afford for him to decide to just peace out for nothing. If he isn't 100% sold on being here, do everything to facilitate his move.

FO isn't really even going to have an off season.

Based on luka's comments regarding things has to change

I feel as though that pick has to be flipped for help now not some guy who won't contribute to title contending team next year

Luka is about to walk out the door he ain't got time for the mavs to be developing guys

He could care less about that damn pick as evidence by his comments spoken about the tank situation he wanted to play and make the playoffs

They better be trying to use that bullshit pick to obtain a high quality starting big or defensive wing that matters next year