Official 2011-2012 Texas Rangers' Offseason Thread - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

jthig32 · 12-08-2011, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mavspwnage

I would like to thank CJ...thank you for being a Type A free agent, and giving us a nice draft pick by ditching us. We essentially traded you for a player who will end up being much better than you. Later!

This is stupid, and we're getting a second round pick because they also signed Pujols.

And a sandwich pick, obviously.

Do you have any idea how astronomical the odds are that a second round pick (or hell a first round pick) will end up "much" better than CJ Wilson? Just a really stupid comment to make.

Male30Dan · 12-08-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

This is stupid, and we're getting a second round pick because they also signed Pujols.

And a sandwich pick, obviously.

Do you have any idea how astronomical the odds are that a second round pick (or hell a first round pick) will end up "much" better than CJ Wilson? Just a really stupid comment to make.

Calm your little happy ass down. CJ will hurt us, but the fucker was useless in the playoffs. Maybe we don't get to the playoffs without him, but it was said we wouldn't get to the playoffs without Cliff Lee.

I absolutely do not believe it was stupid not to sign CJ. I just don't. JD and Nolan know a HELL of a lot more about this roster's needs and CJ's value than you or I do. Sure do hope they get Fielder/Yu and will be disappointed like you are now if that doesn't happen, but I will trust in the men that helped lead us to two straight WS appearances.

jthig32 · 12-08-2011, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Male30Dan

Calm your little happy ass down. CJ will hurt us, but the fucker was useless in the playoffs. Maybe we don't get to the playoffs without him, but it was said we wouldn't get to the playoffs without Cliff Lee.

I absolutely do not believe it was stupid not to sign CJ. I just don't. JD and Nolan know a HELL of a lot more about this roster's needs and CJ's value than you or I do. Sure do hope they get Fielder/Yu and will be disappointed like you are now if that doesn't happen, but I will trust in the men that helped lead us to two straight WS appearances.

So your position is that CJ is going to be useless in the playoffs for his entire career?

Male30Dan · 12-08-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

So your position is that CJ is going to be useless in the playoffs for his entire career?

*waits patiently to throw Cliff Lee's 2011 postseason in Dan's face*

You know, the funny thing about all of this is your intelligence, calm demeanor and overall attitude about the Mavericks not overpaying for Tyson Chandler - a guy that absolutely earned his money and did everything his team could have asked of him to help lead us to a championship.

YET THEN, for a guy that has been absolutely HORRIBLE when it matters for this team, all the while having a terrible attitude and a RedJay-like inability to accept his faults, you back him and say our front office (who has led this team to back to back WS appearances with a GM rated #2 in all of baseball by his peers) is stupid for not stepping up to the plate and overpaying him.

I swear, you are siding with Cuban and failing to see the vision of Daniels. Let me just say I comfortably sit on the opposite sides of both discussions and feel like the company I am keeping is a bit smarter than the company you keep.

jthig32 · 12-08-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Male30Dan

*waits patiently to throw Cliff Lee's 2011 postseason in Dan's face*

You know, the funny thing about all of this is your intelligence, calm demeanor and overall attitude about the Mavericks not overpaying for Tyson Chandler - a guy that absolutely earned his money and did everything his team could have asked of him to help lead us to a championship.

YET THEN, for a guy that has been absolutely HORRIBLE when it matters for this team, all the while having a terrible attitude and a RedJay-like inability to accept his faults, you back him and say our front office (who has led this team to back to back WS appearances with a GM rated #2 in all of baseball by his peers) is stupid for not stepping up to the plate and overpaying him.

I swear, you are siding with Cuban and failing to see the vision of Daniels. Let me just say I comfortably sit on the opposite sides of both discussions and feel like the company I am keeping is a bit smarter than the company you keep.

See, I don't agree that CJ had a bad attitude. Everything you hear about that guy is how hard he works, how much he does to keep in shape, and how often he talks to anyone that will stand it about baseball. I don't care about his persona in the media, fueled by people that fawn over Michael Young. CJ didn't have the perfect attitude but I don't think he had a bad one either.

The difference in the situations is two-fold:

1. Tyson is going to get overpaid. CJ did not get overpaid, just based on the going rate for starting pitching.

2. There are completely different rules in place in the NBA.

I do trust the Ranger front office. I've been a JD fan since long before it was cool. I've criticized him and I've praised him and I've been right and wrong both ways. In this instance I think they got it wrong. We'll see.

Male30Dan · 12-08-2011, 01:56 PM

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See, I don't agree that CJ had a bad attitude.

Wow.

Everything you hear about that guy is how hard he works, how much he does to keep in shape, and how often he talks to anyone that will stand it about baseball. I don't care about his persona in the media, fueled by people that fawn over Michael Young. CJ didn't have the perfect attitude but I don't think he had a bad one either.

LOL - no, he had a HORRIBLE attitude and he NEVER would own up to failing - it was always someone else's fault or he tried to brush it under the rug - again, just like Red Jay

The difference in the situations is two-fold:

1. Tyson is going to get overpaid. CJ did not get overpaid, just based on the going rate for starting pitching.

Bull shit. The going rate for Centers IS overpaid. The going rate for Starting Pitchers IS overpaid. Both REQUIRE to be overpaid. Look at Damp. Look at Haywood. BOTH - overpaid.

2. There are completely different rules in place in the NBA.

But limitations all the same. We still have a cap - regardless if it is hard or soft or nothing, the owners will only spend so much. You don't bust your nutt on a jack ass that can't get it done when it matters

I do trust the Ranger front office. I've been a JD fan since long before it was cool. I've criticized him and I've praised him and I've been right and wrong both ways. In this instance I think they got it wrong. We'll see.

Disagree - but yeah, we shall see. The thing that really does piss me off is the fact that he goes to LA. That sucks.

Above.