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EricaLubarsky · 06-30-2014, 10:52 AM

Explain to me why the Bucks had to give up two second rounders to get Kidd.

DirkFTW · 06-30-2014, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Explain to me why the Bucks had to give up two second rounders to get Kidd.

Maybe they plan to make him a player-coach again?

I wonder how many first round picks would Carlisle command.

MavzMan · 06-30-2014, 01:21 PM

Because he is under contract to the Nets still. They essentially own his "coaching rights". The (wiki) CBA actually have provisions for this:

"Players can be traded between teams in exchange for other players, draft picks and/or a limited amount of cash. Coaches may only be traded for draft picks or cash. "

src: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Col...ning_Agreement
-> look under section Trades

Jack.Kerr · 06-30-2014, 01:53 PM

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Explain to me why the Bucks had to give up two second rounders to get Kidd.

Didn't the Celtics get a future first round draft pick for allowing Doc Rivers to go to the Clippers?

Underdog · 06-30-2014, 01:58 PM

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Didn't the Celtics get a future first round draft pick for allowing Doc Rivers to go to the Clippers?

Yep... Coaches forcing their way out of contracts can have a pretty nice silver lining for the team losing them.

Although, wasn't Kidd basically fired? Seems like the Nets shouldn't be allowed to get any compensation.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-30-2014, 02:23 PM

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Yep... Coaches forcing their way out of contracts can have a pretty nice silver lining for the team losing them.

Although, wasn't Kidd basically fired? Seems like the Nets shouldn't be allowed to get any compensation.

Just shows that second round picks aren't going to be a barrier between a team getting an asset they see as much more valuable.

TripleDipping · 06-30-2014, 07:33 PM

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11...eal-jason-kidd

Some comedy gold in the comments section..

Jack.Kerr · 06-30-2014, 08:48 PM

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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11...eal-jason-kidd

Some comedy gold in the comments section..

The real comedy gold is Chris Douchehard saying that Jason Kidd "did a very good job" with the Nets last season.

Underdog · 07-01-2014, 10:05 PM

The Jason Kidd Mess Has a $144 Million Price Tag

Jack.Kerr · 07-01-2014, 10:46 PM

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The Jason Kidd Mess Has a $144 Million Price Tag

I tend to think Kidd is right about King.

Right idea, bloody awful execution.

Kidd Karma · 07-02-2014, 01:14 AM

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What's with the hurry? He might be better off working as an assistant coach first, why wanting all that power after just one season?

I think he was more concerned of the way the team is built one and done. 3 first rounders to Boston for KG and Pierce. I mean another 10-21 start Kidd can start collecting his unemployment checks. He was pretty close in December, seems King wanted to unload him, but ownership didn't. King quickly gobbled up JJ in an effort to keep Deron, Wallace for the Lillard pick....it's nice to have an unlimited bank account, but you can't makeup for the loss of draft picks. King did select Plumlee and sign Teletovic....Kidd was actually able to milk something out of him....but that was more of a result of a downsized KG. In addition I think Kidd made this move with the idea that he has the support of ownership despite King. Ownership suggested King interview Kidd, Kidd blows King away. King wants to fire Kidd in December, ownership does not want to. So one would surmise Kidd had some pull with the Russians.....Kidd made a calculated move.....or was it....did Kidd really have former adviser Bucks owner Lasary in his back pocket.....did he suggest the Nets trade Lopez/Mirza for Ilyasova/Sanders...knowing he'd end up with the Bucks? Kidd took off after Lopez was injured, going with a tag team center of Plumlee and KG? Now with Williams coming off ankle surgery, Lopez another broken foot....what's to look forward to....continue developing Plumlee? The fat contracts don't expire until 16-17. So their hindered cap wise, loss of picks. There isnt much of a future to look forward to....that's what Kidd was facing going into 14-15....but that doesn't excuse forcing his way into another man's position.

Kidd Karma · 07-02-2014, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

I tend to think Kidd is right about King.

Right idea, bloody awful execution.

Agreed.....

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2014, 09:41 AM

I think if Kidd had just expressed his distaste for King in another manner, then he might have won this. I mean, Kidd got the Nets their first playoffs series win this past season...since he was on the Nets in the 06-07 season. The Nets were pretty good from January on after their horrendous start. He definitely had ammunition. If the Nets had beaten Miami, then this likely would have worked.

mac222b · 07-02-2014, 11:59 AM

Jesus Jason Kidd just kind of seems like a shitty person. We aren't privy to the entire timeline of events but it doesn't take a genius to figure out Kidd had this fallback option, a team that just happened to have drafted Jabari Parker, before he made his power play.

The whole thing is sort of disingenuous and reminds me of the Doc Rivers situation, minus the emotional self-righteous bent. Both abandoned crumbling infrastructures at exactly the moment it didn't work for them anymore. And both were in jobs they were lucky to have in the first place(Rivers was considered a mediocre to subpar coach before being gifted the Big Three). Kidd knew exactly what he was signing up for in Brooklyn.

Really sucks for Larry Drew. Taking a man's livelihood is no joke. Pretty low. Kidd's an All-time great Mav and great player. Will be forever grateful for 2011. But everything about the guy screams scumbag.

Kidd Karma · 07-02-2014, 01:49 PM

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I think if Kidd had just expressed his distaste for King in another manner, then he might have won this. I mean, Kidd got the Nets their first playoffs series win this past season...since he was on the Nets in the 06-07 season. The Nets were pretty good from January on after their horrendous start. He definitely had ammunition. If the Nets had beaten Miami, then this likely would have worked.

King commented during the season, that now he knows what kind of players to get for Kidd....which was huge, but why Kidd went down like this, still can't believe it. Geez, you don't do the KG trade, you still have your picks, you'd start Wallace-JJ, Lopez, Deron and Livingston during the season. In his play, Kidd was always about forward thinking, he'd see things in movies the normal person wouldn't pay attention to. I think he thought he had the Russians in his back pocket, given the hiring, the 10-21 start and the game 7 win. So he thought he could give the team a vision to the future, rather than a murky future waiting for all the fat contracts to expire, so that they can sell Brooklyn again. Right now the best they can hope for is a 3 year 10 million dollar contract. They can't even sign and trade Livingston. Once the Russians said no, Kidd knew he had his former financial advisor in Lasary in Milwaukee as a landing spot. Ugly, ugly, ugly.......

tsar · 07-02-2014, 01:51 PM

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Jesus Jason Kidd just kind of seems like a shitty person. We aren't privy to the entire timeline of events but it doesn't take a genius to figure out Kidd had this fallback option, a team that just happened to have drafted Jabari Parker, before he made his power play.

The whole thing is sort of disingenuous and reminds me of the Doc Rivers situation, minus the emotional self-righteous bent. Both abandoned crumbling infrastructures at exactly the moment it didn't work for them anymore. And both were in jobs they were lucky to have in the first place(Rivers was considered a mediocre to subpar coach before being gifted the Big Three). Kidd knew exactly what he was signing up for in Brooklyn.

Really sucks for Larry Drew. Taking a man's livelihood is no joke. Pretty low. Kidd's an All-time great Mav and great player. Will be forever grateful for 2011. But everything about the guy screams scumbag.

He knew what he was signing up for and took the opportunity. Eventually found his way and made the team competitive. He might have over stepped with the power grab but there's nothing that prevents him from doing so especially since he had a backup plan. If you see yourself stuck in a situation that will not improve (for instance a company in a downfall) wouldn't you try to improve your situation and take some control? He couldn't get the control and went with his backup plan. It's not his fault the Bucks believe that he's a better fit for the organization. Maybe it's just connections that got him the Bucks gig, but either way the team didn't believe Drew did a good enough job with the team if they're letting a 2nd year coach take over.

If I found myself in a quagmire situation and had an out; sure as hell I would take it. Why would I care about the guy I'm replacing?

Saying all this doesn't mean he isn't a douche (wife beater, drunk driving, etc) but I don't think so in this particular situation.

Kidd Karma · 07-02-2014, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Jesus Jason Kidd just kind of seems like a shitty person. We aren't privy to the entire timeline of events but it doesn't take a genius to figure out Kidd had this fallback option, a team that just happened to have drafted Jabari Parker, before he made his power play.

The whole thing is sort of disingenuous and reminds me of the Doc Rivers situation, minus the emotional self-righteous bent. Both abandoned crumbling infrastructures at exactly the moment it didn't work for them anymore. And both were in jobs they were lucky to have in the first place(Rivers was considered a mediocre to subpar coach before being gifted the Big Three). Kidd knew exactly what he was signing up for in Brooklyn.

Really sucks for Larry Drew. Taking a man's livelihood is no joke. Pretty low. Kidd's an All-time great Mav and great player. Will be forever grateful for 2011. But everything about the guy screams scumbag.

Agreed, he had Lasary in his back pocket, as Lasary was a former Nets owner and Kidd's former financial advisor. I can't really think Kidd was looking at Parker, I think personnel wise, asset wise...on the basketball side of things....anything was better than the Nets for at least 2 more seasons...would he have lasted those 2 years? Ha, given the state of the league, but there were some inside the Nets who wanted Kidd to become their Popovich....eventually. Could Kidd have gotten the Laker job? Personnel wise, the Bucks maybe are in better shape...but I think this is more about his relationship with Lasary.

jay3189 · 07-03-2014, 03:33 PM

What the Bucks organization did to Larry Drew was messed up, Bucks should get penalized for their actions. How as a team franchise, you go after another coach without letting your current coach know the details. If I'm not mistaken the new Bucks owner was Jason Kidd's financial adviser. That was a low blow move to handle business like that

Kidd Karma · 07-03-2014, 03:49 PM

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What the Bucks organization did to Larry Drew was messed up, Bucks should get penalized for their actions. How as a team franchise, you go after another coach without letting your current coach know the details. If I'm not mistaken the new Bucks owner was Jason Kidd's financial adviser. That was a low blow move to handle business like that

Kidd actually had his agent Schwartz contact the Bucks, Thursday, day of draft, set up meeting with Bucks in New York, that happened on Friday. King got wind of the internal push for power sometime on Wednesday. Trade talks started Saturday, the Nets wanted a first, talks stalled, press got wind of this scenario, talk became action. Both sides are at fault, Kidd and Lasry, Lasry had to take care of things inside, and Kidd going for another coach's job, both low blows. I'm sure in one of their old conversations, Lasry promised Kidd a job.....and well Kidd took him up on it. The Lakers have an opening....if he really wanted out of Brooklyn.

Jack.Kerr · 07-05-2014, 01:04 PM

1) Nets hired Lionel Hollins.

2) Reports emerge that Kidd was trying to trade Lopez to Bucks back in December/January. League may need to investigate.

Underdog · 07-09-2014, 04:14 PM

@KBergCBS: Kidd's top assistant with Nets last season, Joe Prunty, finalizing deal to become his associate head coach with Bucks.

Kidd Karma · 07-09-2014, 05:51 PM

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@KBergCBS: Kidd's top assistant with Nets last season, Joe Prunty, finalizing deal to become his associate head coach with Bucks.

Kidd named him the opening day HC over Frank during his 2 game suspension a year ago.