2020-2021 Season thread

[MFFL]

Lots of WCS and Boban - KP is probably under severe minutes restriction

Johnson will have a lot of playing time too

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by MFFL

Lots of WCS and Boban - KP is probably under severe minutes restriction

Johnson will have a lot of playing time too

i'd imagine WCS and KP will start together and that Boban will play with Johnson off the bench together up front.

Maybe this will allow Rick to see how WCS and KP work with each other moving forward since we very rarely got to see that pairing last year.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by MFFL

But every dollar over the luxury tax is a dollar coming straight out of their pockets. I think the Buss family will balk at some point

Not during Lebrons final years...

[spreedom]

FML

[VA-Mavs-Fan]

Hinton, Bey sent to G league
https://thesmokingcuban.com/2021/02/...nton-g-league/

Ty Terry should go as well, but he is not on a 2-way

Green should go too, if they have no intention of playing him , but he is not on a 2-way. Unfortunately, hell will have to freeze before RC plays Green any more.

Can a team send any player to the G League to play (even if not on a 2-way), like knicks sent DSJ?

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by VA-Mavs-Fan

Hinton, Bey sent to G league
https://thesmokingcuban.com/2021/02/...nton-g-league/

Ty Terry should go as well, but he is not on a 2-way

Green should go too, if they have no intention of playing him , but he is not on a 2-way. Unfortunately, hell will have to freeze before RC plays Green any more.

Can a team send any player to the G League to play (even if not on a 2-way), like knicks sent DSJ?

Both. NBA teams can send two-way players and players with full NBA contracts to the G-League. In normal seasons, two-way guys are limited to how many days they can spend with their NBA team, but this year there is no limit to time with either team.

[VA-Mavs-Fan]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Both. NBA teams can send two-way players and players with full NBA contracts to the G-League. In normal seasons, two-way guys are limited to how many days they can spend with their NBA team, but this year there is no limit to time with either team.

OK great - they should send all 4 to G League. including Green and Terry. At least Terry, who clearly won't play a minute under RC

[turin]

Agree. Green needs to play as much as possible. Send them all to G League, so they can play. Mavs can continue rolling with the defensive stalwarts that are Burke, Brunson, and THJ. :-O

[EricaLubarsky]

3 days to trade deadline

[NeedlesKane]

So when is Jason Kidd replacing Carlisle as our head coach? Cause I'm looking forward to that.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

So when is Jason Kidd replacing Carlisle as our head coach? Cause I'm looking forward to that.

IT won't be anytime soon

But that's a great choice if RC ever decides he's burnt out.

[sefant77]

Yeah Jason Kidd, its a great great choice.

Watch some old Milwaukee Bucks games and how great Jason Kidd were there. That was piss poor coaching with piss poor offense

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Yeah Jason Kidd, its a great great choice.

Watch some old Milwaukee Bucks games and how great Jason Kidd were there. That was piss poor coaching with piss poor offense

Yeah, no thanks on Kidd.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

3 days to trade deadline

Nope. March 25th

[Thespiralgoeson]

Very interesting bit in an article from the Ringer. https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/2...-antonio-spurs

"But the Mavs should be aggressive in finding someone even better. The problem is Dallas can’t trade a first-round pick until 2027 unless the top-10 protections are removed from the 2023 first being sent to New York. If that happens, then NBA rules would allow Dallas to trade firsts in 2025 and 2027, plus pick swaps in 2022, 2024, and 2026. With the ability to trade their picks and a number of talented young players on the roster, the Mavericks could put together a strong trade package for any star who might become available, such as Wizards guard Bradley Beal."

I didn't realize that's how the rules about trading picks worked. I thought we were just screwed until like 2027. Maybe we still are? I'm confused about this. He says "if top 10 protections are removed." Meaning, the Mavs can chose to this, and this would allow the Mavs to trade first rounders again? If that's true, than the Mavs could still conceivably put together a decent trade package for an impact player. He mentions Beal, but I'm not thinking of him necessarily, I just mean anyone.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Very interesting bit in an article from the Ringer. [url[https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/2/1/22260012/dallas-mavericks-houston-rockets-san-antonio-spurs[/url]

"But the Mavs should be aggressive in finding someone even better. The problem is Dallas can’t trade a first-round pick until 2027 unless the top-10 protections are removed from the 2023 first being sent to New York. If that happens, then NBA rules would allow Dallas to trade firsts in 2025 and 2027, plus pick swaps in 2022, 2024, and 2026. With the ability to trade their picks and a number of talented young players on the roster, the Mavericks could put together a strong trade package for any star who might become available, such as Wizards guard Bradley Beal."

I didn't realize that's how the rules about trading picks worked. I thought we were just screwed until like 2027. Maybe we still are? I'm confused about this. He says "if top 10 protections are removed." Meaning, the Mavs can chose to this, and this would allow the Mavs to trade first rounders again? If that's true, than the Mavs could still conceivably put together a decent trade package for an impact player. He mentions Beal, but I'm not thinking of him necessarily, I just mean anyone.

Yes it can be done. The Bucks and Cavs removed protections on a pick for the Holiday trade and the CAVS actually received a second round pick. So we’d be looking at something similar presumably.

As I’ve said before, the key for any Beal deal to Dallas is they a)promised to re-route him to a preferred destination when he surprisingly signed the extension and b) Dallas is his preferred destination. He would have to really want to be here. Otherwise I think other contending teams could beat our offer.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Yes it can be done. The Bucks and Cavs removed protections on a pick for the Holiday trade and the CAVS actually received a second round pick. So we’d be looking at something similar presumably.

As I’ve said before, the key for any Beal deal to Dallas is they a)promised to re-route him to a preferred destination when he surprisingly signed the extension and b) Dallas is his preferred destination. He would have to really want to be here. Otherwise I think other contending teams could beat our offer.

And it's hard to imagine he wants to leave one frustrating struggle to jump in the middle of another one.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Very interesting bit in an article from the Ringer. [url[https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/2/1/22260012/dallas-mavericks-houston-rockets-san-antonio-spurs[/url]

"But the Mavs should be aggressive in finding someone even better. The problem is Dallas can’t trade a first-round pick until 2027 unless the top-10 protections are removed from the 2023 first being sent to New York. If that happens, then NBA rules would allow Dallas to trade firsts in 2025 and 2027, plus pick swaps in 2022, 2024, and 2026. With the ability to trade their picks and a number of talented young players on the roster, the Mavericks could put together a strong trade package for any star who might become available, such as Wizards guard Bradley Beal."

I didn't realize that's how the rules about trading picks worked. I thought we were just screwed until like 2027. Maybe we still are? I'm confused about this. He says "if top 10 protections are removed." Meaning, the Mavs can chose to this, and this would allow the Mavs to trade first rounders again? If that's true, than the Mavs could still conceivably put together a decent trade package for an impact player. He mentions Beal, but I'm not thinking of him necessarily, I just mean anyone.

I mean technically it's true. If we relinquish the protections in 2023 then we can trade 2025 and 2027. As well as pick swaps in 2022/2022/2024, however...

1) 2025 and 2027 are obviously a long way away. I wonder if that would be appealing for a team that is trying to retool in the next year or two. Also hypothetically if we get Beal, then that would, in theory, make us a good team and that first-rounder would be a late first which are not that appealing.

2) It's possible but unlikely that those protections could save us too. I'd die to have protections this year just in case we can't correct the ship. I can't imagine giving Knicks two lottery picks. This year we're currently 8th and in the lottery with the possibility of scoring a top three. We don't have a choice this year, but in 2023 we could at least keep the pick if we ended up with a top 10 pick.

3) Pick swaps aren't that valuable to teams like the Wizards and may actually have no value at all. For instance, if you disregard the lottery, Wizards would draft 3rd this year. We'd draft 8th. Wizards would decline to trade their 3rd for our 8th. If we got Beal and made a push for the playoffs, we'd likely have the 15-30th pick. If we make the playoffs then there isn't even a tiny chance that we win the lottery.

[EricaLubarsky]

So for Beal really all we have to offer is 2025/2027/2029 firsts, some second-round picks, and pick swaps that likely have no value at all.

Does Green/THJ/WCS and two or three distant future firsts get it done?

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

So for Beal really all we have to offer is 2025/2027/2029 firsts, some second-round picks, and pick swaps that likely have no value at all.

Does Green/THJ/WCS and two or three distant future firsts get it done?

Everyone is so focused on Beal.

I'd much rather have Lavine.

I think a package of THJ, Brunson, Green and a 1st would get it done.

There's really no need to trade WCS because he provides depth up front and can start if needed.

However, Lavine basically does everything both THJ and Brunson does accept he's way more superior to both. He can run the offense for longer stretches of games which helps Luka big time.

I also believe you could get more out of him defensively because of his length and athleticism.

Would be much easier to get him than Beal.

[Thespiralgoeson]

As far as disgruntled stars that the Mavs could potentially trade for, I'm kind of surprised Karl-Anthony Towns' name hasn't come up more. I suppose the Wolves want to see if they can make it work with him and Edwards, but it's not secret that he's unhappy there.

He wouldn't give us much of anything on defense, but offensively, I think he's the player everyone hoped Porzingis was going to be once upon a time.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Everyone is so focused on Beal.

I'd much rather have Lavine.

I think a package of THJ, Brunson, Green and a 1st would get it done.

There's really no need to trade WCS because he provides depth up front and can start if needed.

However, Lavine basically does everything both THJ and Brunson does accept he's way more superior to both. He can run the offense for longer stretches of games which helps Luka big time.

I also believe you could get more out of him defensively because of his length and athleticism.

Would be much easier to get him than Beal.

You may be right about this. I think they would ask for more though.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

As far as disgruntled stars that the Mavs could potentially trade for, I'm kind of surprised Karl-Anthony Towns' name hasn't come up more. I suppose the Wolves want to see if they can make it work with him and Edwards, but it's not secret that he's unhappy there.

He wouldn't give us much of anything on defense, but offensively, I think he's the player everyone hoped Porzingis was going to be once upon a time.

Towns would be great too. I just feel like many teams could beat our offer for Towns or Beal. GSW for instance and they are a desirable destination as well. It would take a concerted push on the part of the player and agent. And willingness from the team trading the star.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I think a package of THJ, Brunson, Green and a 1st would get it done.

No chance

[EricaLubarsky]

Gonna really sting winning the lottery and handing it to the Knicks.

Mavs now have the 6th best chances of winning.

[Super B]

If RC and Half Nelson make it past the all-star break, I’m gonna be even more pissed off than I am now. I don’t really like the idea of Mosley as interim HC though. Not after giving up 147 points with no 3D and a layup line.

Take whatever kind of trash you can get for KP and move on. Start trying to acquire picks.

My biggest fear is that Luka walks when his contract is done. Or he walks into Cuban’s office and demands a trade. It’s over if he goes.

[Quantum]

Originally Posted by Super B

If RC and Half Nelson make it past the all-star break, I’m gonna be even more pissed off than I am now. I don’t really like the idea of Mosley as interim HC though. Not after giving up 147 points with no 3D and a layup line.

Take whatever kind of trash you can get for KP and move on. Start trying to acquire picks.

My biggest fear is that Luka walks when his contract is done. Or he walks into Cuban’s office and demands a trade. It’s over if he goes.

Luka sees it. Not a good squad. Too many guys with bad hands, cant dribble, cant finish at the rim, cant rebound...no one is a playmaker. Then there is paint defense.

Collectively too many flawed parts. Need to make some trades.

[Dolencd]

Unpopular opinion:
I think KP is not as bad as Rick is bad at using him correctly. Wrong?

[turin]

Originally Posted by Dolencd

Unpopular opinion:
I think KP is not as bad as Rick is bad at using him correctly. Wrong?

100% true.

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[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dolencd

Unpopular opinion:
I think KP is not as bad as Rick is bad at using him correctly. Wrong?

Not unpopular.

It's either how he is using him or how he is allowing him to play.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Not unpopular.

It's either how he is using him or how he is allowing him to play.

My hot take?

KP just isn't very good. Career 36% shooter from three. No post-game to speak of. Not much driving game. Poor spot-up shooter. Not a strong rebounder considering he's 7'3"

Seems like he's a guy like Dwight Howard that people think is a star, but he's never shown much more than the potential to be a starter.

[tgfan]

Given the abysmal level of play the Mavs are currently exhibiting, I wish RC would resign from his position as president of the coaches association. For one thing, he sure doesn't need any additional responsibilities besides getting the Mavs to at least resemble a real NBA team. Secondly, I think, because of being in that position, he is overly deferential to refs who are calling against the Mavs in a biased manner. I suspect this is why he doesn't defend Luka more vociferously when the refs refuse to give Luka the same calls they routinely give to other superstar players.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by tgfan

Given the abysmal level of play the Mavs are currently exhibiting, I wish RC would resign from his position as president of the coaches association. For one thing, he sure doesn't need any additional responsibilities besides getting the Mavs to at least resemble a real NBA team. Secondly, I think, because of being in that position, he is overly deferential to refs who are calling against the Mavs in a biased manner. I suspect this is why he doesn't defend Luka more vociferously when the refs refuse to give Luka the same calls they routinely give to other superstar players.

Thats the hottest take I've ever heard.

1) You're saying he should be LESS professional as a coach and complain to the refs MORE?

2) You're saying that his membership in his professional organization that meets maybe once a month for an hour is making him a worse coach?

I mean, I think Rick may be to old to understand today's NBA and he may not be getting the most out of the mediocre team he has, but he should resign to complain on Luka's behalf more? If anything, he should take leadership as a coach and tell Luka to chill.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

My hot take?

KP just isn't very good. Career 36% shooter from three. No post-game to speak of. Not much driving game. Poor spot-up shooter. Not a strong rebounder considering he's 7'3"

Seems like he's a guy like Dwight Howard that people think is a star, but he's never shown much more than the potential to be a starter.

I don't hate this take at all. He has a lot to prove, that's for sure. We Maxed him out of desperation.

When you say not very good. I agree. Interms of like Luka, lebron, giannis for example, are very good. KP is not. He is just good. Like regular baseline good. Not even a mid level good. Rick has defended the whole idea of KP lingering around the perimeter and slipping weak ass pick to go get a shot so it is insane for people to expect him to implement a post game.

[tgfan]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Thats the hottest take I've ever heard.

1) You're saying he should be LESS professional as a coach and complain to the refs MORE?

2) You're saying that his membership in his professional organization that meets maybe once a month for an hour is making him a worse coach?

I mean, I think Rick may be to old to understand today's NBA and he may not be getting the most out of the mediocre team he has, but he should resign to complain on Luka's behalf more? If anything, he should take leadership as a coach and tell Luka to chill.

Yes, for the most part.

1. I don't accept the premise that to be more assertive with the reffing would necessarily be "less professional". And if he would do so on behalf of his players, then Luka might not feel so compelled to speak out on his own defense on so many no-calls. People don't seem to demean Pop for getting himself thrown out of games over bad calls or lack of calls.

2. Yes, I think that leadership position lurks in the back of his mind during games. In addition to his passivity over really biased reffing, it may also be manifested in his reluctance to use the coach's challenge in situations in which everybody is wondering why he doesn't.

I just don't understand why he's like this, and I can't think of any better possible reason as to why. I'm all ears for another explanation.

[Dolencd]

I really think Rick is a bad coach. Like really bad. I think most of his success comes form hist assistant coaches. He has shown moments of brilliance but so do most at this level.
He constantly benches players who just get a bit hotter, his entire arsenal of offensive tactics consists of maybe 2 or 3 and that's it.
OK. Maybe I'm a bit too harsh. Maybe he isn't bad. Maybe he's brilliant if rooster and opponent are just to his liking and style of coaching. But he's not willing to move an inch out of that and can't adjust his thinking one bit.

The most staggering thing for me is that he's not resigning. If He's as good as he or you may think, loosing so many games with a team surrounded with all that hype should really be below him.

I think he can do better elsewhere. He certainly can't do worse.

One more thing. I think Cuban should give Igor Kokoškov a chance. Ok ... He lead Slovenia's team (my place) to EuroBasket but he did it with such professional approach and against much, much better teams (name wise). Only Serbia in the finals had a chance until 5 minutes till the end of the match. Others like powerhouse Spain, didn't stand a chance.
They had like 3 different attack tactics against every defensive change an oposing team made. He pulled really risky moves and they all paid off.
The thing that staggered me the most ... I saw his presentation from a summer coaching camp in Serbia. He started with fundamentals. Cognitive processes when you give instructions, what does the mind want opposed to body. I was amazed.

Now that's a hot take right there.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Dolencd

Unpopular opinion:
I think KP is not as bad as Rick is bad at using him correctly. Wrong?

Mavs Odds On Firing Coach Carlisle? Really? Whitt's End
Rick Carlisle is now listed by oddsmakers as the most likely NBA coach to be the first to be fired. Can that be explained?


Kristaps Porzingis’ shot chart
Kristaps Porzingis’ struggles this season are well documented. He’s been a massive liability on defense, he’s not rebounding aggressively, and on offense, he’s turned into a spot-up shooter. There’s no creativity in how he’s getting his looks.

A lot of this is on Porzingis. He needs to do a better job of finding cutting lanes, making himself available near the rim for Luka Doncic dump-offs, and crashing the offensive glass. But some of this is on the Mavs’ offensive scheme right now. They need to do more to help Porzingis break out of this funk. They need to get him near the rim.

[Dolencd]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Mavs Odds On Firing Coach Carlisle? Really? Whitt's End
Rick Carlisle is now listed by oddsmakers as the most likely NBA coach to be the first to be fired. Can that be explained?

I'm sorry I'm not used to the phrase wit's end. Are you saying they will or will not fire him?

I don't think they are going to. I'm just saying they should.

Meaning - exchanging KP for someone else doesn't solve all of the problems for me. I think KP is not that bad as Mavs are bad a utilising him.

We'll see how this pans out.

On one hand this situation really sucks.

But on the other hand ... You can lose every other game and from time to time lose 2 games. That means fu''!k all. But on the long term you're still going downhill. Just not that obvious. You can still fool yourself that it's not that bad.
A bad situation like this more or less forces you to make big changes quickly.
So things will very soon change. If nothing else Cuban bet a lot on Luka and losing Luka would be devastating for the Mavs. That's why he's going to make changes. Soon. At least has to.

I think Luka is very loyal. He's not used to move teams. He has in Real Madrid from 13 to 18. But he's not used to losing either.If things don't go upwards he'll not be staying. You can be very very sure of that.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Dolencd

I'm sorry I'm not used to the phrase wit's end

Richie Whitt is a writer. Whitt’s End is his column from which that was copy and pasted.

[Dolencd]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

Richie Whitt is a writer. Whitt’s End is his column from which that was copy and pasted.

Huh, thanks for that! Really clears things up.