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LonghornDub · 07-28-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by badfish22

"We're working right now on some end-of-the-roster business, moving out some things, nothing earth-shattering"

That makes it sound like were done. So bottoms up LD!

Cheers!

StackAttack · 07-28-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

I seriously doubt that Dirk hates Tim Thomas any more than Kobe hates Artest. Most on court stuff like that doesn't linger. Just something that happened in the heat of battle. Dirk laughed it off at the time so it's unlikely that he harbors any ill will towards Thomas now.

Besides the fact that our roster seem really crowded with forwards I don't have a problem with the signing. He's not a player you want to depend on but he has the ability get hot and carry the offensive load for a quarter or two at any given time. That's not bad for your 9th or 10th man.

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Originally Posted by Justin Credible

He can actually make a shot? He's black?

Well we could probably talk about this post instead of Tim Thomas for a while.

rmacomic · 07-28-2009, 12:36 AM

I dunno? With the Buckshot still yet to be played we might be building he best bench in years.

edit: we all hated Posey and then coveted him for a bench guy.
So far I think the F.O. has given Dirk a better team than last year.

darkwitzki · 07-28-2009, 12:36 AM

This kiss for you Dirk...

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 12:37 AM

I still believe we need to use the buckshot to get a decent center.

badfish22 · 07-28-2009, 12:40 AM

Ive always hated Tim Thomas. Ditto for Gooden. I don't know what I'm going to do next season.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 12:44 AM

There is an upside. We have to shed space on the roster we still have the buckshot to come into play things could yet work out.

Usually Lurkin · 07-28-2009, 12:45 AM

We've got a better tread on our tires (Marion), but without a real center that can score, we're still just spinning our wheels with all this other stuff. Whoever made the comparison to D.George is right.

grndmstr_c · 07-28-2009, 12:45 AM

I'm going to think of this as a Tim Thomas versus Matt Carroll kind of thing, and not let it bother me.

I'll be interested to see what happens on the trade front. Carroll, Buck, Humphries, Williams and Jawaii...I've not gotten the impression that any of those guys are in the team's plans. Setting them aside, you get:

Kidd/JJB/Booby
Josh/JET/Ross
Marion/TT
Dirk
Damp/Gooden

That's a rotation that would appear to be more than capable of accommodating either Singleton or Hollins as the 12th man. I like rooting for both guys, and think well of Singleton as a player, so I'll be hoping for some swaps that open up space for one of them on the roster.

StackAttack · 07-28-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

We've got a better tread on our tires (Marion), but without a real center that can score, we're still just spinning our wheels with all this other stuff. Whoever made the comparison to D.George is right.

People keep saying crap like this, but seriously, who the hell do you guys want on this roster? There just aren't that many decent centers in the NBA, face it.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 12:50 AM

The more I think about it this really does not bother me much. What we have in Thomas and Gooden our two players who will likely come off the bench and in Thomas case not likely get significant minutes. Now if we use the buckshot or make a flat out trade for a center this will seem like nothing.

Usually Lurkin · 07-28-2009, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by StackAttack

People keep saying crap like this, but seriously, who the hell do you guys want on this roster? There just aren't that many decent centers in the NBA, face it.

Okafor, Kaman, Camby, Chandler, what other names have you heard tossed around? You think Gooden's as good as them?

Thomas86 · 07-28-2009, 12:53 AM

Tim Thomas shoot's 41% from the 3

quietsavant · 07-28-2009, 12:53 AM

All signs to us running a lot like the Suns were constructed in 05-06. Gooden=Diaw off the bench; tim thomas=tim thomas; marion=marion. I hated tim thomas during those years. I hated him because he crawled under dirks skin, used profane gestures and names to do so. We all remember the infamous kiss this bastard blew at the big german. But one thing remains true to me as it has been for as long as i've been a mavs fan; When you put that uniform on, Thats mavericks blue, or green or occasionally weird gold on, Im going to cheer my a$$ off for you, and I know a lot of you will do too. The fact remains the guy is capable of scoring and I will take a capable scorer into training camp and the season. Beats what we've had here lately. See (george, wright, Caroll, kid(jk)). I mav thee sir Thomas of Timothy

Usually Lurkin · 07-28-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

Tim Thomas shoot's 41% from the 3

which is great. I think Alfred E. Newman once said something along the lines of, "we've upgraded our bench. Too bad the best starting 5 wins rings in the NBA. . . We need a center."

but maybe you're right. What me worry?

Nowitzki4President · 07-28-2009, 12:57 AM

I just realized something that scared the sh!t out of me...

I think that Gooden is going to get more minutes as Center than anticipated. Word is Hollins is out. Which would make us like like Damp/Gooden and Dirk/Thomas in the C and PF positions. Augh!

IMO, that is worse than what we had last year, which was Damp/Hollins and Dirk/Bass.

StackAttack · 07-28-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Okafor, Kaman, Camby, Chandler, what other names have you heard tossed around? You think Gooden's as good as them?

I'm assuming Chandler and Okafor are unavailable given today's events, so do you (don't mean to target you specifically, this goes to everyone who thinks this is a failed offseason if we don't have a better center) seriously think that unless we grab either Chris Kaman or Marcus Camby (two of hundreds of players in the NBA), we can't compete?

Five-ofan · 07-28-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by quietsavant

All signs to us running a lot like the Suns were constructed in 05-06. Gooden=Diaw off the bench; tim thomas=tim thomas; marion=marion. I hated tim thomas during those years. I hated him because he crawled under dirks skin, used profane gestures and names to do so. We all remember the infamous kiss this bastard blew at the big german. But one thing remains true to me as it has been for as long as i've been a mavs fan; When you put that uniform on, Thats mavericks blue, or green or occasionally weird gold on, Im going to cheer my a$$ off for you, and I know a lot of you will do too. The fact remains the guy is capable of scoring and I will take a capable scorer into training camp and the season. Beats what we've had here lately. See (george, wright, Caroll, kid(jk)). I mav thee sir Thomas of Timothy

uh i dont think it qualifies as getting under someones skin if they rape you after you piss them off. That qualifies as waking the sleeping dragon.

Usually Lurkin · 07-28-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by StackAttack

I'm assuming Chandler and Okafor are unavailable given today's events, so do you (don't mean to target you specifically, this goes to everyone who thinks this is a failed offseason if we don't have a better center) seriously think that unless we grab either Chris Kaman or Marcus Camby (two of hundreds of players in the NBA), we can't compete?

well, by missing out on Okafor and Chandler and Gortat (and I'd say Shaq), I think we are already not competing where we really need it this offseason.

Thomas86 · 07-28-2009, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by quietsavant

All signs to us running a lot like the Suns were constructed in 05-06. Gooden=Diaw off the bench; tim thomas=tim thomas; marion=marion. I hated tim thomas during those years. I hated him because he crawled under dirks skin, used profane gestures and names to do so. We all remember the infamous kiss this bastard blew at the big german. But one thing remains true to me as it has been for as long as i've been a mavs fan; When you put that uniform on, Thats mavericks blue, or green or occasionally weird gold on, Im going to cheer my a$$ off for you, and I know a lot of you will do too. The fact remains the guy is capable of scoring and I will take a capable scorer into training camp and the season. Beats what we've had here lately. See (george, wright, Caroll, kid(jk)). I mav thee sir Thomas of Timothy

That's nothing compared to what David West did to Dirk...that was even worse.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 01:01 AM

Considering where the rest of the west stands outside of LA and SA I think we should be considered possibly as one of the top three in the west. I will say this becomes fact if we trade for a decent center.

Five-ofan · 07-28-2009, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

I seriously doubt that Dirk hates Tim Thomas any more than Kobe hates Artest. Most on court stuff like that doesn't linger. Just something that happened in the heat of battle. Dirk laughed it off at the time so it's unlikely that he harbors any ill will towards Thomas now.

Besides the fact that our roster seem really crowded with forwards I don't have a problem with the signing. He's not a player you want to depend on but he has the ability get hot and carry the offensive load for a quarter or two at any given time. That's not bad for your 9th or 10th man.

i agree. One thing i hated about last years roster was dirk, jet, and josh could score. There was no reason what so ever not to double them unless all 3 were on the floor because no one else could hurt you. Also when josh got hurt there was SOOOO much pressure on dirk and jet to carry the offense especially when the other one was on the bench.

badfish22 · 07-28-2009, 01:04 AM

I miss Bass more by the day.

Dirkgreatness · 07-28-2009, 01:04 AM

Blah, at this point im praying we don't go back to run and gun.... it sure seems like we are just looking at the roster...

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 01:06 AM

You people are giving up to easy the fat lady has not sung yet.

Usually Lurkin · 07-28-2009, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

You people are giving up to easy the fat lady has not sung yet.

is that meant to be a yo mama joke setup?

Underdog · 07-28-2009, 01:11 AM

Tim Thomas & Drew Gooden combine for 16 teams in 19 seasons...

('nuff said!)

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

is that meant to be a yo mama joke setup?

Yo momma so fat the AAC runs around her.

Lame I know.

CadBane · 07-28-2009, 01:21 AM

TT, Gooden, Hump, Marion. That's a lot of guys for backup minutes at the 4.

I actually like TT (not as a person) because he can hit the three. But it seems like the front court is getting a little crowded. It would be nice to ship some of these spare parts out for a legit SG.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

TT, Gooden, Hump, Marion. That's a lot of guys for backup minutes at the 4.

I actually like TT (not as a person) because he can hit the three. But it seems like the front court is getting a little crowded. It would be nice to ship some of these spare parts out for a legit SG.

I can't see why the FO would not package some of these parts with the buckshot when the time comes.

92bDad · 07-28-2009, 01:30 AM

All the hate on this thread...you'ldathought that the Mavs signed some 7' something Russian

Can we not at least wait until September/October before we throw the baby out with the bathwater? Who knows, we just might get lucky...

Windmill360 · 07-28-2009, 01:33 AM

I don't even....

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

All the hate on this thread...you'ldathought that the Mavs signed some 7' something Russian

Can we not at least wait until September/October before we throw the baby out with the bathwater? Who knows, we just might get lucky...

I like the way you think.

Dirkadirkastan · 07-28-2009, 01:35 AM

What's funny about this is that just yesterday I just watched that '06 WCF Game 5 for the first time in years.

It started when Stack committed an offensive foul on Raja Bell away from the ball. After the whistle, Thomas took a swipe at the ball in Dirk's hands but Dirk pulled away and Thomas missed. Then Dirk tossed the ball off Thomas' shoulder and the two started jawing at each other. That's when the infamous kiss was blown and the double technical was called.

Considering how badly Thomas was burned by the end of that game, do you really think Thomas wants to bring it up again?

Rick41 · 07-28-2009, 01:37 AM

I cannot see myself rooting for TimT. No way in hell.

Dirkadirkastan · 07-28-2009, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

I actually like TT (not as a person) because he can hit the three.

With all this focus on the elusive big-center-that-can-score-and-play-defense, we've forgotten that our percentage on threes last year was deplorable.

candid_snoop41 · 07-28-2009, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by badfish22

Ive always hated Tim Thomas. Ditto for Gooden. I don't know what I'm going to do next season.

same here man...
at least we will get more street cred from now on as we just signed two thugs

Get Chandler or CAMBY for next to nothing + Terry. I dont want to have him on the team any longer!

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 01:44 AM

I say give Thomas a limited number of minutes off the bench and see what he delivers from three point range.

esoteric562 · 07-28-2009, 01:45 AM

noo...... i hated this a-hole when he was a sun..... can't stand that dumb hand motion to his face that he does..... noooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

grndmstr_c · 07-28-2009, 01:45 AM

Looking at the Mavs' minute distribution in the playoffs last season and thinking about how it might look with the current roster (including Gooden and TT) instead of the one the Mavs actually had available. Three things:

1) Wright and Bass, undoubtedly the two most significant subtractions, combined for just under 36mpg in the playoffs. That sounds like it's just about the right amount of time on court for Marion, and that is a sizable upgrade for the Mavs at the top of the rotation.

2) Hollins, who appears likely to head elsewhere much to the chagrin of a number of overly sentimental Dallas fans, played 9.3 mpg. Worst case scenario now would appear to be that those minutes go to Drew Gooden. There's something to be said for having a center available to play the center position, but you're kidding yourself if you think Gooden won't bring a lot more to the table than Hollins would have. Another clear upgrade.

3) Gerald Green and Matt Carroll combined for just under 8 mpg. Those minutes now go to TT, presumably, and perhaps Ross, and that is also all to the good.

Now, there will be other minute shifts, but if you trust Carlisle then at least you can trust that if Gooden plays 20+ mpg it'll be because he's earned 20+ mpg. Bottom line, while the two (potential) newest Mavericks unquestionably leave something to be desired, let's not lose sight of the fact that with those signings the Mavs will have achieved upgrades throughout their rotation, from the core down to the fringe guys. Put it all in context and this figures to be a much improved team.