Official: Tim Thomas to Dallas - A part of me dies inside.

[bernardos70]

I don't know, shooter? He's a shooter? I mean, he makes me want to shoot myself, but a shooter? He can shoot, but he usually misses. Dampier can do that.

The question is how many minutes of the Mavs game am I gonna be forced to miss (aka how many minutes is he getting?).

[Windmill360]

The question is going to be: "unless we're going to use his contract as another 'chip', did we really need him?"

[Mavsfan4ever]

Here is Thomas career % from the three point range .369

[dirno2000]

Originally Posted by Windmill360

The question is going to be: "unless we're going to use his contract as another 'chip', did we really need him?"

I think when you get past the 8th man in the rotation the question becomes "can we use him".

[RoddyB#3]

Originally Posted by bernardos70

I don't know, shooter? He's a shooter? I mean, he makes me want to shoot myself, but a shooter? He can shoot, but he usually misses. Dampier can do that.

The question is how many minutes of the Mavs game am I gonna be forced to miss (aka how many minutes is he getting?).

I'm not a fan of TT, but the man can shoot.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Looking at the Mavs' minute distribution in the playoffs last season and thinking about how it might look with the current roster (including Gooden and TT) instead of the one the Mavs actually had available. Three things:

1) Wright and Bass, undoubtedly the two most significant subtractions, combined for just under 36mpg in the playoffs. That sounds like it's just about the right amount of time on court for Marion, and that is a sizable upgrade for the Mavs at the top of the rotation.

2) Hollins, who appears likely to head elsewhere much to the chagrin of a number of overly sentimental Dallas fans, played 9.3 mpg. Worst case scenario now would appear to be that those minutes go to Drew Gooden. There's something to be said for having a center available to play the center position, but you're kidding yourself if you think Gooden won't bring a lot more to the table than Hollins would have. Another clear upgrade.

3) Gerald Green and Matt Carroll combined for just under 8 mpg. Those minutes now go to TT, presumably, and perhaps Ross, and that is also all to the good.

Now, there will be other minute shifts, but if you trust Carlisle then at least you can trust that if Gooden plays 20+ mpg it'll be because he's earned 20+ mpg. Bottom line, while the two (potential) newest Mavericks unquestionably leave something to be desired, let's not lose sight of the fact that with those signings the Mavs will have achieved upgrades throughout their rotation, from the core down to the fringe guys. Put it all in context and this figures to be a much improved team.

Nice analysis.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Okafor, Kaman, Camby, Chandler, what other names have you heard tossed around? You think Gooden's as good as them?

Chandlers garbage

[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

Here is Thomas career % from the three point range .369

If you break it down, you can see there's a huge variance depending on which team he plays for. With the Suns and Knicks, he's around 43%, but as low as 30% one year with the Clippers. Seems like his production really depends on what system he plays for.

Oh wait, let's not talk basketball, let's talk about how we hate his attitude.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by 92bDad

All the hate on this thread...you'ldathought that the Mavs signed some 7' something Russian

Can we not at least wait until September/October before we throw the baby out with the bathwater? Who knows, we just might get lucky...

_____ you Racist

[mac222b]

We can use his shooting. He can get his shot off over anyone. Scores in bunches. I actually like this signing. Think of it/him as Van Horn circa '06. Just gives us more flexibility. Like Gooden, i don't think TT is a bad dude. Just a flake. Marion,TT,Ross-- while none of them are great shooters(Thomas could've been if he cared more)they can all make an open 3.

[Nowitzki4President]

Originally Posted by mac222b

We can use his shooting. He can get his shot off over anyone. Scores in bunches. I actually like this signing. Think of it/him as Van Horn circa '06. Just gives us more flexibility. Like Gooden, i don't think TT is a bad dude. Just a flake. Marion,TT,Ross-- while none of them are great shooters(Thomas could've been if he cared more)they can all make an open 3.

That's a pretty good point. I just hope he's our 3rd option on PF, and not the 2nd. Kind of as an extra rather than someone to depend on.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I'm so glad that we're going for the likes of Gooden and Tim Thomas over scrubs like Okafur.

You know, a blind, monkey, wombat that is half paralyzed and really let itself go could see that we needed a center. I mean, if Gortat was seriously the ONLY plan to get a center. Why? Gortat isn't the last center on earth. I mean jiminy christmas.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

When Damp lands us nobody special we'll look back and say "remember when we could of gotten Okafor for Damp? instead we got Tim Thomas."

[mavs777]

Its just one source, I find it hard to believe

[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

When Damp lands us nobody special we'll look back and say "remember when we could of gotten Okafor for Damp? instead we got Tim Thomas."

Nah, I doubt I would butcher the English language like that.

I like how you assume Charlotte would have accepted the trade, as well as assume Damp will bring us less in a year it holds more value.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Nah, I doubt I would butcher the English language like that.

I'm so glad we gotta english teacher 'round hear to correct all of tha minor grammer misstakes 'round here. Thank yas so much!

(It's a forum, Chill TFO)

I should of clarified though, assuming the rumor Okafor for Damp is true. (But you did come across as a bit of an ass that post, just an FYI. Butchered the english language for "could of"? come on. According to urban dictionary, could have is wrong. Since this is an NBA team's forum where most NBA players frequently use the urban dictionary, including new Dallas Mavericks player Shawn Marion, "could of" is allowed.)

[Zaknaf3in]

Originally Posted by bernardos70

I don't know, shooter? He's a shooter? I mean, he makes me want to shoot myself, but a shooter? He can shoot, but he usually misses. Dampier can do that.

The question is how many minutes of the Mavs game am I gonna be forced to miss (aka how many minutes is he getting?).

Greatness. I lol'ed.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

At least Thomas was not part of the Shawn Marion trade. Good god, could you imagine paying him 6.5 million next season to warm the bench?

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

At least Thomas was not part of the Shawn Marion trade. Good god, could you imagine paying him 6.5 million next season to warm the bench?

Good point, Rep+1

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

At least Thomas was not part of the Shawn Marion trade. Good god, could you imagine paying him 6.5 million next season to warm the bench?

Good point

[darkwitzki]

I think they are reserving Damp for Bosh and Bosh>Okafor. Our team right now is upgraded defensively (primarily Marion and Ross), adding Gooden makes us a good rebounding team, and Tim Thomas for Dirk's back up in offense. I think the line up is more versatile now, and can matched up with any teams.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Now THIS guy definitely makes the Mavs tougher...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs57alMyzsQ

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by bernardos70

I don't know, shooter? He's a shooter? I mean, he makes me want to shoot myself, but a shooter?

awesome

[Jon Avalon]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Now THIS guy definitely makes the Mavs tougher...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs57alMyzsQ

Bwahahahaha wtf!!?!?!

[HexNBA]

Ridiculous. Who's next, Michael Olowokandi??

[Folterkammer]

If we would have gotten TT in the Marion trade we would have gotten Buck expiring at 4.5 ( and not guaranteed ) and TT expiring at 6.5 million. that are some awesome pieces to trade.
i just don't think we will make any more trades. if they turned down damp for okafor that means either they are 90% sure they will get a superstar next year for damp or that they dont want to take any long term contracts. okafor will earn 60 million over the next 5 years.
admittingly a lineup of:
okafor
dirk
marion
josh
kidd
with jet, jjb, gooden, ross and damp off the bench would make me jizz in my pants

[aexchange]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Looking at the Mavs' minute distribution in the playoffs last season and thinking about how it might look with the current roster (including Gooden and TT) instead of the one the Mavs actually had available. Three things:

1) Wright and Bass, undoubtedly the two most significant subtractions, combined for just under 36mpg in the playoffs. That sounds like it's just about the right amount of time on court for Marion, and that is a sizable upgrade for the Mavs at the top of the rotation.

2) Hollins, who appears likely to head elsewhere much to the chagrin of a number of overly sentimental Dallas fans, played 9.3 mpg. Worst case scenario now would appear to be that those minutes go to Drew Gooden. There's something to be said for having a center available to play the center position, but you're kidding yourself if you think Gooden won't bring a lot more to the table than Hollins would have. Another clear upgrade.

3) Gerald Green and Matt Carroll combined for just under 8 mpg. Those minutes now go to TT, presumably, and perhaps Ross, and that is also all to the good.

Now, there will be other minute shifts, but if you trust Carlisle then at least you can trust that if Gooden plays 20+ mpg it'll be because he's earned 20+ mpg. Bottom line, while the two (potential) newest Mavericks unquestionably leave something to be desired, let's not lose sight of the fact that with those signings the Mavs will have achieved upgrades throughout their rotation, from the core down to the fringe guys. Put it all in context and this figures to be a much improved team.

really spot on analysis. not sure why there is so much hate towards this move, but personally i've always liked the thought of having a 9th or 10th man who can actually play versus a project who needs more development. we are clearly at the point where we are trying to win now, so don't have any issues with this move and am actually a big fan.

[mpb319]

I am not a fan of Tim Thomas or his game.
He can however get hot and shoot you into a game...but if his shot is not falling his absolute lack of defense should get him a quick hook back to the bench.

This signing makes us a nightmare matchup team.
Dirk, TT, Marion, Josh, Kidd
Dirk, Marion, Josh, Jet, Kidd
Gooden, Dirk, TT, Jet, Kidd
Gooden, Dirk, Marion, Jet, Kidd
ETC....

The combinations are numerous and can be deadly when matched correctly.
If this team can stay healthy...then we should be able to play with anyone.
If not then we have the depth that will allow us to weather non-year ending injuries without having only 1-2 people who can score.

Now we need to clean up the extra bodies and the Buck Shot for one more versatile player at the SG position.

[jthig32]

First of all, the notion that Dirk hates Tim Thomas is almost certainly false. And I wouldn't really care if he did.

However, this move sucks. And I'm not backing down on this one either. This is stupid. I don't care about numbers (although they suck), I don't care about matchups, I don't care about rotations.

Anyone who has watched the NBA over the past ten years knows that Tim Thomas is a loser. He's a loser. He doesn't care about competing night in and night out, he doesn't care about putting in an effort defensively, he doesn't care about playing within a system. He's a chucker, he's lazy, and he has no business on a team trying to win. He is the antithesis of Dirk in every imaginable way.

Period.

Trying to talk yourself into Tim Thomas based on stats and rotations is, imo, ridiculous.

This....sucks.

[mpb319]

Like I said...not a fan of his.
I'm not talking myself into TT...but it looks like he is a going to be a Mav.

I think it kinda sucks too...but so did Employee #8...hopefully it works out.

[u2sarajevo]

thig.... Dirk may not "hate" him. But TT did punk him. I would hope that would bother Dirk a little bit.

Well now I'm thinking myself out of that. Because in the end Dirk got the last laugh.

[HexNBA]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Anyone who has watched the NBA over the past ten years knows that Tim Thomas is a loser. He's a loser. He doesn't care about competing night in and night out, he doesn't care about putting in an effort defensively, he doesn't care about playing within a system. He's a chucker, he's lazy, and he has no business on a team trying to win.

So incredibly true

[darkwitzki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAcqgA9pHfM , the younger Tim Thomas..

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by u2sarajevo

thig.... Dirk may not "hate" him. But TT did punk him. I would hope that would bother Dirk a little bit.

Well now I'm thinking myself out of that. Because in the end Dirk got the last laugh.

Personally, I really just don't care about that. That kind of stuff happens in every rec center in every city in the country. Dirk would have to be a little nuts to hold a grudge over something like that.

I'm not worried about what Dirk thinks about Tim Thomas because of "the kiss", I'm worried about what the entire team thinks of Tim Thomas because he's never shown that he cares about playing basketball.

[Thomas86]

This Tim Thomas hate is getting ridiculous....if the guy does end up coming here it's gonna be cheap and he's GONNA BE ON THE BENCH not starting, first people on here and those cry babies on DB.com where bashing the hell out of Drew Gooden now it's Tim Thomas, people are really bashing Tim Thomas over something that happened almost 4 years with him and Dirk and Dirk probably could care less about it now, the Mavs might as well cut Gooden and Thomas and bring Austin Croshere and Juwan Howard back since nobody seems to want Gooden and Thomas on the team besides me, I mean bring Croshere and Howard back man since people hate Gooden and Thomas so damm much.

The Mavs where ranked almost dead last in 3-point shooting in the NBA and Rick Carlisle noticed that why he went to get Tim Thomas who shoot's 41% from the 3 point line incase the haters didn't know, I'm pretty sure Rick Carlisle can handle Tim Thomas being that he had Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson on the same team, just like somebody on here said...if Tim Thomas start messing up the team he's gonna get sent home just like Shawn Willams did, I would love for somebody to try prove me wrong since people in this forum like doing that anyway...come on!!!!!!!! I'm ready for it!!!!!!

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Thomas86

...Tim Thomas who shoot's 41% from the 3 point line incase the haters didn't know..

Small sample sizes are so much fun.....

Not saying he can't shoot the three. Again..he's a loser. Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest are nuts, but when they step on the court they clearly care about winning. Tim Thomas has never given that vibe or had that rep.

Tim Thomas is a joke.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

With all this focus on the elusive big-center-that-can-score-and-play-defense, we've forgotten that our percentage on threes last year was deplorable.

Yup....it was about the only category that we were way,way down in the league stat standings. Offense, rebounding were quite good. FTA's and 3pt% were woeful.

[dirt_dobber]

Originally Posted by jthig32

First of all, the notion that Dirk hates Tim Thomas is almost certainly false. And I wouldn't really care if he did.

However, this move sucks. And I'm not backing down on this one either. This is stupid. I don't care about numbers (although they suck), I don't care about matchups, I don't care about rotations.

Anyone who has watched the NBA over the past ten years knows that Tim Thomas is a loser. He's a loser. He doesn't care about competing night in and night out, he doesn't care about putting in an effort defensively, he doesn't care about playing within a system. He's a chucker, he's lazy, and he has no business on a team trying to win. He is the antithesis of Dirk in every imaginable way.

Period.

Trying to talk yourself into Tim Thomas based on stats and rotations is, imo, ridiculous.

This....sucks.

exactly on the money! rep

[Dirkenstien]

This is saddening news. I absolutely hate Tim Thomas.

[Rod1975]

I've been out of the loop for awhile, so let me get this straight, these are the moves the Mavs have done in the offseason:

-re-signed Kidd... woo hoo a 38 yr old PG.
-got pwned by Otis Smith *after* saving the Magic money...
-draft was a yawn
-traded for a *former* all-star whose shot I now have to fight the urge to cringe at
-signed a head case spare that will sully a Mavericks uniform-tough to spin anything positive out of Gooden (If he was'nt gooden turrible he would have stuck with a team by now)
-signed an a-hole spare that's 6'10" and does'nt rebound, hustle, or play defense...
-the last two combining for 16 teams in 19 seasons...
-and last but not least...letting 2-3 promising young players walk for nothing...
did I miss anything?

Sorry, but I'd need about 10 phds in spin doctoring to talk myself into liking what's going on this offseason...