Postgame Allas@Philadelphia 01/23/2010 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

sefant77 · 01-22-2010, 09:07 PM

The team should donate their salaries for this game.

Horrible effort, Gooden, Damp and Marion before the injury the one-eyed men in the land of the blind.

Barea playing "point" is still a big joke.

Destroyed by Williams, Young, Speights and Green, shooting 60% for 56 points.

Positive: This game should make Mark more willing to take a bad contract for Iggy/Martin/Butler.

Kante · 01-22-2010, 09:09 PM

Just horrible! Looked like the Celebrity Match before All-Star Game at some time...

twistaeffect2004 · 01-22-2010, 09:13 PM

It's this simple, when Dirk doesn't have a good to great game, we're not winning.

Unfortunately, he's not a machine.

This team desperately needs another scorer.

They need to do everything they can to get Dirk another really good player.

conjurer · 01-22-2010, 09:15 PM

THIS -->

Dirkadirkastan · 01-22-2010, 09:16 PM

9-8 in the last 17 games.

xrobx · 01-22-2010, 09:16 PM

This game should be a wake up call that if we don't make a move for another scorer before the deadline there is no hope of a championship. I'm not even sure they'll make the playoffs at this rate. 12 points in the 3rd quarter against one of the worst teams in the nba? What a joke.

ghazi · 01-22-2010, 09:18 PM

There is no reason for us to trust that Josh/JET will be factors come playoff time. THey shat the bed last year (although to Josh's credit he played well v Spurs and then got injured), and they've been inconsistent and unreliable for the most part this year.

Mavs need to trade one or the other for a more consistent, reliable player.

badfish22 · 01-22-2010, 09:19 PM

this team just doesn't bother to show up some night. Tonight and at Toronto are some recent examples. Thats what seperates the good teams from the great ones in terms of record.

Dirkgreatness · 01-22-2010, 09:20 PM

+/-
JJ= -15
JHo= -15

badfish22 · 01-22-2010, 09:33 PM

As bad as Dirk and Jet played, this might be one of Ricks worst nights as a coach here.
Terrible lineups, bad rotations, and never found a way to get Dirk involved in the game. He also never really was able to fire the team up at all

xrobx · 01-22-2010, 09:41 PM

I hope cuban threatens to fire everybody like he did last year after the thunder loss. It's the only thing these guys respond to.

dalger · 01-22-2010, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by badfish22

this team just doesn't bother to show up some night. Tonight and at Toronto are some recent examples. Thats what seperates the good teams from the great ones in terms of record.

Yep. And even if they wanted to show up every night, the team would still not beat the Lakers. The frustrating and somewhat scary thing is that we've only been 9-8 in our last 17 games despite being mostly healthy. Before that, we did have injury issues and still managed to go 19-7. Not a great trend.

As mentioned before, we can't afford to keep both JET and Josh and put them in a role they're not capable of playing. At least JET has started to be inconsistent again which means there are a couple of games where he's good (not tonight). Josh, however, has been terrible offensively for the entire season.

That second scorer, be it Martin, Iggy, Butler or whoever, cannot come early enough. And, again, it wouldn't hurt us to show up more often - even if it's only Philly and not the big stage in Boston. I'm quite sure the Nuggets will eventually take advantage of it.

CadBane · 01-22-2010, 10:08 PM

I'm so f'ing through with Josh Howard! No this isn't a knee-jerk reaction. Josh Howard is DONE! The offense looks pretty crisp against Boston and the Wizards...JHo comes back, boom, it's junk. The ball starts sticking. I'm fed up with seeing at halftime Howard have 10 FGA while Dirk has 6. I'm sick of RC trying to force feed Howard. IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK. All it does it ruin the team's offense.

Through 21 games Howard is putting up 13 PPG on 38% shooting, 25% from three. With a whopping 3.8 RPG. The guy is DONE.

Unless we trade him, or he gets hurt for the 56th time, I don't know if we'll get out of the 1st round.

Rick41 · 01-22-2010, 10:08 PM

This team is seriously weird. But look on the bright side, we are beating teams that we're going to see in the playoffs.

twistaeffect2004 · 01-22-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

I'm so f'ing through with Josh Howard! No this isn't a knee-jerk reaction. Josh Howard is DONE! The offense looks pretty crisp against Boston and the Wizards...JHo comes back, boom, it's junk. The ball starts sticking. I'm fed up with seeing at halftime Howard have 10 FGA while Dirk has 6. I'm sick of RC trying to force feed Howard. IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK. All it does it ruin the team's offense.

Through 21 games Howard is putting up 13 PPG on 38% shooting, 25% from three. With a whopping 3.8 RPG. The guy is DONE.

Unless we trade him, or he gets hurt for the 56th time, I don't know if we'll get out of the 1st round.

Absolutely.

To be honestly, since he's come back this team has not played nearly as well as it did before hand.

Remember the fluid passing we saw in the Washington game? That was completely gone tonight. That's what the duo of JJB and Howard do. Both NEED to be gone. It's that simple. Both of these guys are hurting much more than they are helping. The Mavs need to do whatever they can do to get these guys off the team and bring in some people that can help the Mavs.

chumdawg · 01-22-2010, 10:20 PM

At this point you just want to get *something* for Josh...anything. Because you sure as the hell aren't picking up his option this summer.

CadBane · 01-22-2010, 10:22 PM

Don't know if this has been posted.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv..._kevin_martin/

Please make it happen.

CadBane · 01-22-2010, 10:22 PM

"Even though Sacramento continues to insist they do not want to deal Kevin Martin, the Mavericks show a serious interest in the shooting guard.

The Mavericks, according to NBA front-office sources, tell the Kings they want to hear from them if they chance their position.

Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that Dallas is now willing to include Josh Howard in a deal."

fluid.forty.one · 01-22-2010, 10:24 PM

Dirk sucked.

Usually Lurkin · 01-22-2010, 10:24 PM

I'm afraid our owner thinks Josh Howard will get him Lebron James, though.

toby451 · 01-22-2010, 10:30 PM

Mavs beat a Boston team without its best player, when they had an off night.

Mavs beat the wizards by 1 point, that team is completely dysfunctional.

Good news though, at least the mavs arent number 2 seed anymore. Hopefully they lose another 3-4 games before the All star break, so people can quit using the old "you cant change up a team too much that is still number 2 in the west" line.

Dallas offense is the worse it has ever been in the Dirk era.

twistaeffect2004 · 01-22-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Dirk sucked.

This is what it all boils down to. Dirk has been amazing this year, he basically IS the Mavericks this year. No team depends on him as much as this one does. But, when he does have the occasional off game who do we have that can put the ball in the basket at a consistent clip? Simple answer is, well, no one.

Josh looks like he's done to me. At least done this season. He's become such a detriment that him off the team looks to be an upgrade at this point.

Jets shooting woes are now stretching into more than half the season. Kidd is still one of the best distributors in basketball but he never was and never will be a scoring guard. Marion is a great defender and one hell of a role player, but he's not a second option.

The success of this team this season hinges on who we acquire at the trade deadline. If we're able to acquire a viable number 2 option to Dirk, then we can honestly play with anyone in the league. But if we don't, then this season will end up just like all the rest. This team as constructed cannot win a championship unless a lot of things occur to other teams (injuries).

This might be the most important trade deadline in Mavericks history considering Dirk is a free agent next season. While I doubt he leaves, there's got to be some doubt in his mind he can win a title here.

dalmations202 · 01-22-2010, 10:40 PM

jump shooting team without an inside post player.

Reminds me of Nellie ball.

They look good when they fall, and awful when they don't.

cinemablend · 01-22-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Horrible effort, Gooden, Damp and Marion before the injury the one-eyed men in the land of the blind.

Um.... Marion and Gooden were the only ones scoring. Without them this would have been a total blowout. Seems odd to blame them for the loss.

The problem was once again JET, Josh, Damp, complete lack of production or defensive ability from JJB, and some really bad coaching decisions by Carlisle.

At one point, KIDD was actually playing the 2 guard while Barea ran point. Where is the sense in that??? If Kidd isn't playing point, he should be resting.

chumdawg · 01-22-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

jump shooting team without an inside post player.

Reminds me of Nellie ball.

They look good when they fall, and awful when they don't.

Agreed, they look anemic to me.

But still and all...Nellie would put up a better game than that.

cinemablend · 01-22-2010, 10:44 PM

[QUOTE=twistaeffect2004;1059359Josh looks like he's done to me. At least done this season. He's become such a detriment that him off the team looks to be an upgrade at this point. [/QUOTE]

Even playing Ross might be an upgrade. He certainly helped more in the game Josh was out.

cinemablend · 01-22-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

They look good when they fall, and awful when they don't.

So I guess you didn't see the previous 2 games where the Mavs won by getting interior points and getting in the paint?

This is not a jumpshooting team. For one thing, they don't have any good shooters except Dirk.

I don't know what this team is, but it's definitely not a jumpshooting team. People really need to stop saying it. If it were a jumpshooting team, that might be an improvement because at least they'd be able to do something in the half court then, at least then they'd have an identity.

Windmill360 · 01-22-2010, 11:03 PM

F*CKING STUPID.

didn't watch the game.

Usually Lurkin · 01-22-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cinemablend

Um.... Marion and Gooden were the only ones scoring. Without them this would have been a total blowout.

That's what he was saying. Marion, Damp, and Gooden were leading the way. Unfortunately, they were leading a bunch of blind basketball players.

jthig32 · 01-22-2010, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cinemablend

So I guess you didn't see the previous 2 games where the Mavs won by getting interior points and getting in the paint?

This is not a jumpshooting team. For one thing, they don't have any good shooters except Dirk.

I don't know what this team is, but it's definitely not a jumpshooting team. People really need to stop saying it. If it were a jumpshooting team, that might be an improvement because at least they'd be able to do something in the half court then, at least then they'd have an identity.

69% of the Mavs' shot attempts are jump shots. A handful of teams put up that same number, and only two shoot a higher percentage of jump shots.

They are most certainly a jump shooting team.

And they are in desperate, desperate need of a real second scoring option.

Thomas86 · 01-22-2010, 11:10 PM

Well the Spurs loss to so I don't feel as bad now....the main thing the Mavs need to work on in practice is REBOUNDING because it was like the Mavs where scared to grab the ball, oh and I hope Marion is not hurt becuase he's been playing great the last few games.

jthig32 · 01-22-2010, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

At this point you just want to get *something* for Josh...anything. Because you sure as the hell aren't picking up his option this summer.

Yeah, this looks more and more likely. Josh can not be on this team after the trade deadline, or you lose an asset for nothing.

jthig32 · 01-22-2010, 11:12 PM

BTW, Marion tweeted after the game that he ripped his finger to the bone.

Thomas86 · 01-22-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

BTW, Marion tweeted after the game that he ripped his finger to the bone.

Wow....I didn't think it was that bad, he's been playing great too so that really hurts.

chumdawg · 01-22-2010, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Yeah, this looks more and more likely. Josh can not be on this team after the trade deadline, or you lose an asset for nothing.

I don't know the details of his contract. It may be the case that he is just as appetizing to a cost-cutting team this summer as he is now. One thing would seem to be for sure, though: Ain't nobody picking up that option.

twelli · 01-22-2010, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

BTW, Marion tweeted after the game that he ripped his finger to the bone.

good for him that he's got some fingers left to type in those tweets...

twelli · 01-22-2010, 11:40 PM

What I really didn't like about this loss is, that all the players were playing in lethargic mode (apart from Gooden maybe). Nobody really stepped up, got mad, physical, emotional, no technicals, no whining, no passion. Well, at least it seemed to be that way.

Could it be that they are waiting for something to go down trade-wise soon? If you are not sure about what's going to happen soon, you are playing like that. Or maybe they just sucked.

kg_veteran · 01-22-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Yeah, this looks more and more likely. Josh can not be on this team after the trade deadline, or you lose an asset for nothing.

What is so amazing is that Howard's game has dropped off in just about every way possible. He used to be middle of the road in offensive efficiency while providing pretty good defense and rebounding. Now, he's an inefficient offensive player who can't (or won't) rebound and is very questionable defensively.

tcat075 · 01-23-2010, 12:42 AM

Sadly, I knew we were going to lose. Didn't see the game, had one of my own, but since I forgot to check previous to this I just looked at the score and came here. Of course I was hoping for a win, a blowout, but honestly I had a feeling that this would end up in a lose. This team is playing so far below its talent level right now...or maybe its just that people are started to play more like their talent level. No more superstar JJ, no more 08 JET, and then add in Dirk's off game...

I'm really hoping we get something done at the trade deadline. Its becoming more and more obvious to me that we need something to happen.

chumdawg · 01-23-2010, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

What is so amazing is that Howard's game has dropped off in just about every way possible. He used to be middle of the road in offensive efficiency while providing pretty good defense and rebounding. Now, he's an inefficient offensive player who can't (or won't) rebound and is very questionable defensively.

He is either A) the player I always thought he was, or B) a player in desperate need of a change of scenery.

I suspect it's A.