82games.com update. Small sample size but interesting

[EricaLubarsky]

Booth +46.1 +8.1 +38.0
Bradley +37.8 +2.4 +35.5
Nowitzki +15.1 -11.9 +27.0
Terry +15.6 -0.9 +16.5
Mbenga +19.3 +8.3 +11.0
Henderson +7.3 +9.0 -1.7
Finley +7.6 +9.9 -2.2
Daniels +5.5 +10.0 -4.5
Stackhouse +5.7 +11.8 -6.1
Howard +5.2 +13.5 -8.3
Harris +2.9 +12.1 -9.2
Dampier -2.9 +26.2 -29.1

Nowitzki and Terry are the only players that have a negative off court +/-. Looks like we need both of them.

Interestingly the best rebounding squad is
Terry-Daniels-Stackhouse-Nowitzki-Bradley

The most efficient scoring squad is
Terry-Stackhouse-Howard-Nowitzki-Bradley

The best squad in the paint is
Terry-Daniels-Stackhouse-Nowitzki-Dampier

The best defensive units are
Terry-Stackhouse-Finley-Henderson-Dampier
and
Terry-Daniels-Stackhouse-Nowitzki-Bradley

We are allowing
93.8ppg
and scoring
102.4ppg

Scoring at 43.3% as a team
allowing 40.0% shooting from our opponents

WE are getting an average of
13.6rpg from our PF position
16.0rpg from our C position

only 5.2apg from our PG position.

Our SG position is the second worst offensive position by percentage, but we get the majority of our points from that position.

Opponents shoot the best from the 3 spot, at a clip of 48.8%. They score 42.5% from the PF, 42.1% from the SG, 40.0% from the C
Opponents shoot the worst from the Point, at a clip of only 36.1%

We are killed on rebounding from the point guard position however. 7.6rpg to only 2.6rpg, but we significantly outrebound our opponents from the 4 and 5.

[sike]

great numbers EL

WE are getting an average of
13.6rpg from our PF position
16.0rpg from our C position

this is good to hear

[digit]

If I wouldn`t know better, these Dampier numbers look somehow...well, s c a r y...

Dampier -2.9 +26.2 -29.1

[ZueriMav]

Well, you right. Damps numbers don't look great. I just checked his numbers from the last two seasons:

2003-04 Dampier -1.0 -0.3 -0.7
2002-03 Dampier -3.4 +1.2 -4.6

Seems that this +/- stats are not made for Damp ;-)

[grndmstr_c]

Some observations relative to Damp's +/-:

As of right now, there are several of Damp's stats that just seem a little off, and not just from what he did last year for those who are thinking contract year. Each of the past two years Damp was a clear strength on the boards for the Warriors, not only in terms of his own numbers, but in terms of team success on the boards. That hasn't so much been the case thus far in Dallas. Even though his individual rebounding numbers have climbed following his double digit efforts, the team rebounding with him on the floor is still substandard. His blocks are also conspicuously low, and while he's never been in Bradley's class as a shotblocker, he has been around a 2 a game guy. Finally, his scoring percentages are off. The source of the jump in Damp's fg% last year was the distribution of his shot attempts shifting more towards inside scoring, where he's been an equivalently high percentage contributor each of the last two seasons at least. This year he's maintained the distribution that brought about his career highs last year, but the percentage at which he's converting inside is down quite a bit.

[SeriousSummer]

How can Booth be +38? I don't remember him playing yet this year.

[madape]

Booth played about 2 minutes of garbage time in the last game.

[madape]

Top Five-Man Floor Units
# Unit Min Off Def +/- W L Win%
1 Terry-Stackhouse-Howard-Nowitzki-Bradley 9 25 20 +5 1 1 50.0
2 Terry-Daniels-Stackhouse-Nowitzki-Bradley 8 18 7 +11 2 0 100
3 Daniels-Stackhouse-Howard-Nowitzki-Bradley 4 10 5 +5 1 0 100
4 Terry-Stackhouse-Henderson-Nowitzki-Bradley 3 14 5 +9 1 0 100
5 Terry-Stackhouse-Finley-Henderson-Bradley 2 7 7 +0 1 1 50.0
6 Terry-Finley-Howard-Henderson-Bradley 2 6 3 +3 1 0 100
7 Terry-Daniels-Finley-Henderson-Bradley 2 9 5 +4 1 0 100
8 Terry-Stackhouse-Howard-Henderson-Bradley 2 4 4 +0 0 0 0.0
9 Harris-Stackhouse-Howard-Mbenga-Bradley 2 4 3 +1 1 0 100
10 Harris-Terry-Stackhouse-Howard-Bradley 1 2 2 +0 0 0 0.0

Start the man

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: madape
Top Five-Man Floor Units
# Unit Min Off Def +/- W L Win%
1 Terry-Stackhouse-Howard-Nowitzki-Bradley 9 25 20 +5 1 1 50.0
2 Terry-Daniels-Stackhouse-Nowitzki-Bradley 8 18 7 +11 2 0 100
3 Daniels-Stackhouse-Howard-Nowitzki-Bradley 4 10 5 +5 1 0 100
4 Terry-Stackhouse-Henderson-Nowitzki-Bradley 3 14 5 +9 1 0 100
5 Terry-Stackhouse-Finley-Henderson-Bradley 2 7 7 +0 1 1 50.0
6 Terry-Finley-Howard-Henderson-Bradley 2 6 3 +3 1 0 100
7 Terry-Daniels-Finley-Henderson-Bradley 2 9 5 +4 1 0 100
8 Terry-Stackhouse-Howard-Henderson-Bradley 2 4 4 +0 0 0 0.0
9 Harris-Stackhouse-Howard-Mbenga-Bradley 2 4 3 +1 1 0 100
10 Harris-Terry-Stackhouse-Howard-Bradley 1 2 2 +0 0 0 0.0

Start the man

Mad, I am with you on the Bradley can play......but don't start him.

Play him 15-20 min every night. That is where he is most effective. Don't have him worrying about his fouls, and trying to stay on the floor.....just let him play, and impact the game.

Question? What happened to his set shot.....that used to be money.

[sike]

I'd have no problem with 15-17min a night for Big Shawn...Damp needs around 32-35 a game.

[madape]

Mad, I am with you on the Bradley can play......but don't start him.

Play him 15-20 min every night. That is where he is most effective. Don't have him worrying about his fouls, and trying to stay on the floor.....just let him play, and impact the game.

Question? What happened to his set shot.....that used to be money.

Perhaps you are right about Shawn starting. However, I would like to see a few spot starts just to see how the team responds, and how Dampier does off the bench.

I think Shawn's set shot is still there. That's not something that goes away. I've only seen him try it two, maybe three times this year... each time prompted Pinto to proclaim "Is that really the shot you want?". At least once of those shots was a called play after a time out. Pinto has so much disgust for Shawn it practically spoils the game.

I think Shawn's ability to score outside of the painted area really opens of the offense for Dirk to isolate, back down defenders, and dish the ball out of double teams. Stack can better attack the rim without a big goon like Dampier rooted in the paint. Our offense is just much, much better when we get spacing. Bradley gives us that. Dampier ruins it.

Likewise, our defense is much, much better with a real weakside shotblocker. The numbers speak for themselves. We are an elite team with Shawn on the court. We are a lottery team with Dampier on the court.

[kg_veteran]

I agree with the sentiment that Shawn should get 15-20 mpg every night. Depending upon how Dampier is playing, Damps should get 28-33 mpg. Shawn should get the rest. Period. I don't care who we're playing. I don't want to see Alan Henderson or Dirk playing center.

[JLEEHASMUCHGAME]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
I agree with the sentiment that Shawn should get 15-20 mpg every night. Depending upon how Dampier is playing, Damps should get 28-33 mpg. Shawn should get the rest. Period. I don't care who we're playing. I don't want to see Alan Henderson or Dirk playing center.

My sentiments exactly. Why is Nellie using a Henderson-Dirk combination so much? It's almost like Nellie enjoys watching the smaller, less athletic teams playing out there. Don't get me wrong, Henderson is great as a backup to Dirk, but I'd much rather see Bradley or even Booth paired with Dirk when Dampier is out of the game.

[Male30Dan]

[quote]
Originally posted by: madape

We are an elite team with Shawn on the court. We are a lottery team with Dampier on the court.

It is statements like this that make you look so foolish...

WE ARE 4-1 WITH DAMP ON THE FLOOR... That is the SECOND BEST RECORD in the NBA early on... We are only behind Miami, (who has not played 5 games yet), in terms of team win/loss percentage...

Damp has had a couple of bad games and he is still borderline 10/10, (which is what it will take for you to eat crow)... You better hope he doesn't bust out with a few more Memphis games eh?

[bernardos70]

If Bradley started and played starter minutes, his +/- would probably not be as good, the minutes he's getting now are sufficient, and in those he can be effective, as he has shown thus far this season.

[EricaLubarsky]

Bradley's numbers are the same as Booth's numbers and Damp's numbers are his for a reason too. Damp started the games against the Grizzlies, Warriors, and Magic. He played the first couple of quarters while the team sucked- not just him. In the second half, Nelson refused to play Dampier a lot and that is when we went on our runs (when we outscored our opponents by 30 points in the last three third quarters).

Bradley came in and the rest of the team came in refreshed. We should know better than to see significance in Bradley's numbers. He's only played 43 min. this season

[madape]

Originally posted by: Male23Dan

You could say that based on the plus/minus number we are a 4-1 team despite Erick Dampier. Clearly we have played better when he is on the bench. It's a small sample size, but it supports history. Historically, Golden State played about as poorly when Damp was on the court as when he was off it. And don't pat yourself on the back too hard about our 4-1 record. We haven't beat a good, or even decent team yet. Furthermore, we were blown out by the worthless Orlando Magic and were pushed to overtime by the stinking Golden State Warriors. Centers are still going off on us. Brad Miller, Stromile Swift, Dwight Howard, and Jamal Magloire have all had their best games of the season again Dampier and the Mavericks. It's a young season and I expect we'll be in the playoff hunt up until the end. But our point guard problem looks to be a real issue, as does the apparent inconsistencies and ineffectiveness of Erick Dampier.

[EricaLubarsky]

we were blown out by the worthless Orlando Magic and were pushed to overtime by the stinking Golden State Warriors

you're going to blame us sucking on Dampier? Give me a freakin break. You dissapeared when Damp came in for his 13pt, 18reb game and now you are coming to rub it in and blame a blowout on a guy that played only half the game?

I saw the same behavior from captain disaster as he'd dissapear when we were winning and as soon as we lost he'd come out swinging. The only difference is that CD had many ideas about why the Mavs sucked. You seem to be stuck on just one.

[madape]

That was more of a comment on how good the Mavericks really are. The truth is that we DON'T know how good this team truly is. I think that getting blown out by Orlando and getting pushed to overtime by Golden State doesn't prove to me that we are the second best team in the league, as Male23Dan suggested.

I'm not going to pin it all on Dampier. I'm just as concerned about the chemistry issue of Nash being gone as I am about Dampier. But clearly the stats show that we'd be a much better team without Erick Dampier. He's had the worst impact of any player on the Mavericks in terms of team success, and the margin between him and the second worst player isn't even close. I still think that over the course of the season Dampier will average no better than 10 points, 8 boards. But those aren't the stats that we should be focusing on. What we should be focusing on is how well the Mavericks play with Damp in the game. In the first five games of the season at least, we've stunk.

Even when Damp had his 18 board game the Grizzlies opened up a huge lead on us until Nelson yanked him (and I apologize for not posting after that game, I rarely frequent d-m.com on the weekends).

The real story of this season thus far is how the second team has been able to climb it's way out of the hole the first team has dug them. Dampier has been above all other players the reason we fallen into those holes. Bradley above all other players has been the reason we've been able to climb out.

[EricaLubarsky]

First of all, it was steve Kerr that put us at 2nd in the West after beating Golden State.

Secondly, I feel bad for even posting the individual player +/- because the sample size is so incredibly small.

The real story of this season thus far is how the second team has been able to climb it's way out of the hole the first team has dug them

It's dirk and finley and Howard that are digging out of their own holes. Do some research. And only in the Orlando game was Bradley significantly in the game while we were coming back and you can see that we didnt do a good job of that and that Bradley himself wasnt too effective. He was embarassed by Francis many times.

Just because there are a couple of stats after only 20 quarters of play, does not mean that they are all legitimized.

[madape]

Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky
First of all, it was steve Kerr that put us at 2nd in the West after beating Golden State.

Secondly, I feel bad for even posting the individual player +/- because the sample size is so incredibly small.

It's dirk and finley and Howard that are digging out of their own holes. Do some research. And only in the Orlando game was Bradley significantly in the game while we were coming back and you can see that we didnt do a good job of that and that Bradley himself wasnt too effective. He was embarassed by Francis many times.

Just because there are a couple of stats after only 20 quarters of play, does not mean that they are all legitimized.

I agree the sample size is small, but it is supported by historical stats. Go and look up Dampier's plus/minus from last year. You'll be unimpressed. On the other hand, Bradley's plus minus stats have consistently been at the top of the Mavericks players for years.

And yes, Dirk, Finley, Howard, Terry and Stackhouse have all done their part in bringing the Mavericks back from large deficits. But each has been more effective when playing next to Shawn Bradley than they have when playing next to the big dump. In fact, all ten of our most successful lineups this year have included Shawn Bradley. None have included Dampier. And no, it wasn't just in the Orlando game where Shawn has been able to help this team. Every minute he's been on the court this year has been good for the Mavericks. In every single game this year he's been a positive impact. Dampier has had a couple of games in which he's posted those double digit rebounds make some people on this board cream in their pants. But is he helping this team win? The stats say no. They say he's the by far the worst player on the Mavericks.

I thank you for doing your "research" on this issue. But your analysis sucks. You are ignoring facts. It makes you look incredibly biased.

[EricaLubarsky]

Go and look up Dampier's plus/minus from last year. You'll be unimpressed

Daniels last year -5.1
Bradley last year -2.2
Najera last year -1.4
Dampier last year -0.7

They say he's the by far the worst player on the Mavericks.

who says that?

Telling me that I ignore the facts and that my analysis sucks is immature and premature.

Clearly we have played better when he is on the bench.

that is based on Dampier not playing during approximately 28 minutes in the last three games when we went on runs. If the +/- had been made up previous, Dampier would have been even. Period. He missed out on a 7 point run, a 14 point run and a 13 point run and there is no evidence that any center helped affect that. It is the shooting percentages of the rest of the team that rose dramatically.

[chumdawg]

Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky
First of all, it was steve Kerr that put us at 2nd in the West after beating Golden State.

Secondly, I feel bad for even posting the individual player +/- because the sample size is so incredibly small.

It's dirk and finley and Howard that are digging out of their own holes. Do some research. And only in the Orlando game was Bradley significantly in the game while we were coming back and you can see that we didnt do a good job of that and that Bradley himself wasnt too effective. He was embarassed by Francis many times.

Just because there are a couple of stats after only 20 quarters of play, does not mean that they are all legitimized.

Whoa, now. Shawn was a HUGE difference-maker in that game. Huge. And I don't remember Franchise embarrassing him. What the heck are you talking about?

[madape]

Again, Erica provides the data, I'll provide the analysis:

Even in Dampier's "career" year.. the only year in his eight year career in which he was worth a piss... his team played better when he was on the bench.

On the bench.

Thank you.

[EricaLubarsky]

Whoa, now. Shawn was a HUGE difference-maker in that game. Huge. And I don't remember Franchise embarrassing him. What the heck are you talking about?

should i pull tape? Seriously.

[madape]

I don't know what play Erica's talking about, clearly she's picked one brief moment among the 15 minutes of Bradley's utter dominance of the Magic to illustrate to us what a bad player Shawn is. But really, How on earth can a point guard really "embarass" as 7'6" center? If Shawn was ever guarding Francis one-on-one, I should HOPE that Francis gets the better of him. And if Bradley was "posterized" while trying to block a Francis dunk.. well good for Shawn. The problem would be if Shawn DIDN'T try to protect the rim. But he does, and that's just one of the reasons this team plays better with big Shawn anchoring the defense.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally posted by: madape
Again, Erica provides the data, I'll provide the analysis:

Even in Dampier's "career" year.. the only year in his eight year career in which he was worth a piss... his team played better when he was on the bench.

On the bench.

Thank you.

The only players that helped Golden State win are the following
Bremer +19.5 -0.9 +20.4
Lampley +18.7 -1.0 +19.7
Langhi +9.9 -0.8 +10.7
Cardinal +4.2 -4.2 +8.4
Claxton +3.4 -3.5 +6.9
Pietrus +4.6 -2.0 +6.6
Richardson -0.0 -2.7 +2.7
Cheaney +0.2 -1.7 +1.9

Players that had worse +/- than Dampier

Clifford Robinson -1.4 +0.9 -2.3
Troy Murphy -3.0 -0.3 -2.8
Avery Johnson -4.6 +0.0 -4.6
Mike Dunleavy -3.3 +2.9 -6.2
Adonal Foyle -6.8 +0.3 -7.1
Nick Van Exel -6.0 +1.7 -7.7

three of the five starters had negative +/- ratings.

Amazingly all 5 of the 5 most effective squads involved Dampier. That was a stat for the whole year, not just 5 games and thats what you used to support bradley

Van Exel-Richardson-Dunleavy-Robinson-Dampier
Claxton-Richardson-Dunleavy-Robinson-Dampier
Pietrus-Richardson-Dunleavy-Robinson-Dampier
Claxton-Richardson-Cheaney-Robinson-Dampier
Claxton-Richardson-Cardinal-Robinson-Dampier

the Win% with him in the lineup is 49%, while Golden State only won 46.3% of their games last year.

[chumdawg]

Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky

should i pull tape? Seriously.

Um, yeah. You really should.

Let me know how it works out for you.

[grndmstr_c]

Antawn didn't have good a good +/- in GS, and then he came to Dallas and it picked up because of the fit. IMO the jury's still out on how Damp's going to fit. As I said above, there are quite a few stats regarding Damp's play and his impact on how the Mavs perform in specific areas of the game that simply aren't now where we could reasonably expect them to be. Furthermore, it's worth noting that there are a number of irregularities in the player +/-'s right now, from Devin's poor showing, to the weak early returns on Fin and Josh, both of whom, with their skill sets and the inconsistent play of Quis and Stack, should be posting better numbers, to Bradley's ridiculously high +/-, which is based as much on his impact on the offensive end(?) as it is on the defensive end, and is currently a major reason that Damp's +/- is so low. Bradley has never, ever, been a boon to the team's offense, and I don't expect that to continue.

[EricaLubarsky]

Jamison had a -3.8 coming in to Dallas
Jamison finished the season with a +2.9

[madape]

Bradley has never, ever, been a boon to the team's offense, and I don't expect that to continue.

I think from an individual perspective, you are right. Shawn is certainly not a dominant offensive player. However, I think his ability to get stops on the defensive end helps. His presence results in more turnovers and thus more fast breaks. Likewise, he is adept at the outlet pass, leading to easy buckets. Shawn also has the ability to step out and nail the 15 footer. Whereas Damp is only good from 10 feet in. As I mentioned earlier, this gives our offense more spacing, with which Dirk, Finley, Stackhouse and other can thrive. Shawn is also a good passer for a big man. He sets good picks. He doesn't turn the ball over. He's a guy that doesn't demand the ball on offense, but who does all the little things that make our offense work. He's exactly the kind of guy we need with so many other prolific scorers. There's a reason why our offense works better with Shawn on the court.

[madape]

double post

[grndmstr_c]

Bradley this year:
On-court points per 100 posessions: 127.8
Off-court points per 100 posessions: 106.1
On-court - Off-court = +21.7 points per 100 posessions

Bradley in 03/04:
On-court points per 100 posessions: 110
Off-court points per 100 posessions: 114.9
On-court - Off-court = -4.9 points per 100 posessions

Bradley in 02/03:
On-court points per 48 minutes: 100.3
Off-court points per 48 minutes: 105.6
On-court - Off-court = -5.3 points per 48 minutes.

There's just no precedent for how the team's playing offensively with Bradley on the court.

[madape]

I wish 82games.com provided stats prior to the 2002/2003 season. That was a very bad year for Shawn. I would expect that if we dove into the stats of some previous season, we'd see how much better the offense played with Shawn in the game. I remember clearly that he led the team in plus/minus one of those years... I think the year we beat the Jazz in the playoffs.

[EricaLubarsky]

Here's an interesting stat. We score much more effectively when Dampier is off the floor. that leaves us with a few ideas of why
1) We are playing better defense and not putting in as much effort on offense
2) Damp is taking shots from Dirk and others and is scoring at a lesser clip.
3) Bradley (the alternative) is a boon to our offense
or
4) We don't know how to effectively use Dampier and the hesitation and confusion that ensues, lowers our overall FG%

1)Well 1 could be true, I havent really seen defensive numbers specifically for Damp. More to come.

2) doesnt seem true either. He's scoring at nearly the same clip as Dirk 48.6% to 48.8%. That 0.2% does not make up for the difference in FG%. He's also shooting only 7.4 times a game.

3) doesnt seem to be true unless there is something he does that makes others better. He's currently shooting 16.7% from the field.

4) Seems very likely and the numbers we are seeing are exactly what you would expect from a team that has changed its style and its roster this much. When they play small ball, or ball with Bradley not contributing on the offense, they are comfortable. When they work in Dampier they are not.

Shot attempts per game through five with FG%

Nowitzki- 16.4 attempts per game at 48.8%
Finley- 15 attempts per game at 43.2%
Terry- 10.2 attempts per game at 47.1%
Stackhouse- 9.6 attempts per game at 33.3%
Dampier- 7.4 attempts per game at 48.6%
Howard- 7.4 attempts per game at 35.1%
Daniels- 6.8 attempts per game at 47.1%
Harris- 6.4 attempts per game at 34.4%
Henderson- 2.4 attempts per game at 66.7%
Bradley- 1.2 attempts per game at 16.7%

[Murphy3]

Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky
It's dirk and finley and Howard that are digging out of their own holes. Do some research. And only in the Orlando game was Bradley significantly in the game while we were coming back and you can see that we didnt do a good job of that and that Bradley himself wasnt too effective. He was embarassed by Francis many times.

(8:50) [DAL] Dampier Substitution replaced by S. Bradley
(8:50) [ORL 63-42] D. Howard Free Throw 1 of 1 (11 PTS)
(8:37) [ORL] Francis Foul: Personal (3 PF)
(8:30) [ORL] Hill Foul: Personal (1 PF)
(8:21) [DAL 44-63] Nowitzki Fade Away: Made (5 PTS)
(7:57) [ORL] Hill Turnover: Bad Pass (6 TO) Steal: Daniels (2 ST)
(7:48) [ORL] Turkoglu Foul: Shooting (2 PF)
(7:48) [DAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(7:48) [DAL 45-63] Finley Free Throw 1 of 2 (8 PTS)
(7:48) [DAL] Finley Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(7:47) [ORL] D. Howard Rebound (Off:2 Def:3)
(7:29) [DAL] S. Bradley Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(7:29) [DAL] Finley Substitution replaced by Stackhouse
(7:29) [ORL 64-45] Francis Free Throw 1 of 2 (15 PTS)
(7:29) [ORL] Francis Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(7:28) [DAL] Team Rebound
(7:28) [ORL] D. Howard Foul: Loose Ball (4 PF)
(7:28) [ORL] D. Howard Substitution replaced by Garrity
(7:14) [ORL] Francis Timeout: Regular
(7:13) [DAL] Stackhouse Turnover: Bad Pass (4 TO) Steal: Francis (2 ST)
(7:05) [ORL] Turkoglu Jump Shot: Missed
(7:03) [DAL] Daniels Rebound (Off:2 Def:2)
(6:50) [ORL] Hill Foul: Shooting (2 PF)
(6:50) [DAL 46-64] Nowitzki Free Throw 1 of 2 (6 PTS)
(6:50) [DAL 47-64] Nowitzki Free Throw 2 of 2 (7 PTS)
(6:35) [ORL] Francis Turnover: Lost Ball Out of Bounds (2 TO)
(6:26) [DAL] Stackhouse Jump Shot: Missed
(6:24) [ORL] Francis Rebound (Off:1 Def:6)
(6:15) [DAL] Daniels Foul: Personal (1 PF)
(6:09) [ORL 66-47] Garrity Reverse Layup: Made (4 PTS) Assist: Turkoglu (1 AST)
(5:57) [DAL 49-66] Daniels Turnaround Jump: Made (14 PTS)
(5:42) [ORL] Hill Jump Shot: Missed
(5:40) [DAL] Daniels Rebound (Off:2 Def:3)
(5:39) [ORL] Cato Foul: Personal (3 PF)
(5:39) [ORL] Cato Foul: Technical (3 PF)
(5:39) [DAL 50-66] Nowitzki Free Throw Technical (8 PTS)
(5:39) [DAL 51-66] Daniels Free Throw 1 of 2 (15 PTS)
(5:39) [DAL 52-66] Daniels Free Throw 2 of 2 (16 PTS)
(5:35) [ORL] Team Timeout: Regular
(5:35) [ORL] Cato Substitution replaced by Battie
(5:20) [ORL] Francis Jump Shot: Missed
(5:19) [DAL] S. Bradley Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(5:05) [DAL] J. Howard Jump Shot: Missed
(5:05) [DAL] J. Howard Rebound (Off:4 Def:4)
(5:05) [DAL] J. Howard Turnover: Traveling (1 TO)
(4:43) [ORL] Hill Jump Shot: Missed
(4:41) [ORL] Francis Rebound (Off:2 Def:6)
(4:33) [DAL] Daniels Foul: Shooting (2 PF)
(4:33) [ORL 67-52] Francis Free Throw 1 of 2 (16 PTS)
(4:33) [ORL] Francis Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(4:32) [DAL] Nowitzki Rebound (Off:0 Def:3)
(4:19) [ORL] Garrity Foul: Personal (2 PF)
(4:19) [DAL 53-67] S. Bradley Free Throw 1 of 2 (1 PTS)
(4:19) [DAL] S. Bradley Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(4:17) [ORL] Battie Rebound (Off:1 Def:3)
(4:04) [ORL] Turkoglu Jump Shot: Missed
(4:02) [DAL] Nowitzki Rebound (Off:0 Def:4)
(3:53) [ORL] Battie Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(3:53) [DAL 54-67] Nowitzki Free Throw 1 of 2 (9 PTS)
(3:53) [ORL] Hill Substitution replaced by Stevenson
(3:53) [DAL 55-67] Nowitzki Free Throw 2 of 2 (10 PTS)
(3:34) [ORL 69-55] Turkoglu Jump Shot: Made (12 PTS) Assist: Francis (7 AST)
(3:10) [DAL] Nowitzki Jump Shot: Missed
(3:10) [ORL] Team Rebound
(2:55) [ORL] Battie Jump Shot: Missed
(2:55) [DAL] Team Rebound
(2:55) [DAL] J. Howard Substitution replaced by Terry
(2:45) [ORL] Stevenson Foul: Personal (1 PF)
(2:45) [DAL] Stackhouse Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(2:45) [DAL] Team Rebound
(2:45) [DAL 56-69] Stackhouse Free Throw 2 of 2 (7 PTS)
(2:20) [ORL] Turkoglu Jump Shot: Missed
(2:18) [DAL] Nowitzki Rebound (Off:0 Def:5)
(2:12) [DAL] Stackhouse Jump Shot: Missed
(2:10) [DAL] Terry Rebound (Off:1 Def:0)
(2:03) [DAL 58-69] Nowitzki Driving Layup: Made (12 PTS)
(1:45) [ORL] Stevenson Turnover: Lost Ball (1 TO) Steal: Nowitzki (1 ST)
(1:41) [DAL] Daniels Layup Shot: Missed
(1:39) [ORL] Garrity Rebound (Off:0 Def:3)
(1:32) [ORL] Turkoglu Jump Shot: Missed
(1:30) [DAL] S. Bradley Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(1:16) [DAL 60-69] Nowitzki Turnaround Jump: Made (14 PTS)
(0:52) [ORL] Garrity Turnover: Double Dribble (2 TO)
(0:41) [DAL 62-69] Nowitzki Driving Layup: Made (16 PTS) Assist: Stackhouse (2
(0:24) [ORL] Battie Jump Hook: Missed
(0:23) [DAL] Nowitzki Rebound (Off:0 Def:6)
(0:02) [DAL] Nowitzki Jump Shot: Missed
(0:01) [ORL] Team Rebound
(0:00) [ORL] Francis Jump Shot: Missed
(0:00) [ORL] Team Rebound
(0:00) End Period

4th Period
(11:51) [DAL] Nowitzki Jump Shot: Missed
(11:49) [ORL] Hill Rebound (Off:2 Def:4)
(11:39) [ORL 71-62] J. Nelson Reverse Layup: Made (4 PTS) Assist: D. Howard (2
(11:23) [DAL 64-71] S. Bradley Hook Shot: Made (3 PTS)
(11:05) [DAL] Nowitzki Foul: Shooting (4 PF)
(11:05) [ORL 72-64] Battie Free Throw 1 of 2 (1 PTS)
(11:05) [ORL 73-64] Battie Free Throw 2 of 2 (2 PTS)
(10:48) [DAL] Terry Jump Shot: Missed
(10:45) [DAL] Nowitzki Rebound (Off:1 Def:6)
(10:43) [DAL 66-73] Nowitzki Layup Shot: Made (18 PTS)
(10:29) [DAL] S. Bradley Foul: Personal (2 PF)
(10:25) [ORL] Turkoglu Jump Shot: Missed
(10:23) [DAL] S. Bradley Rebound (Off:0 Def:3)
(10:19) [DAL] Daniels Layup Shot: Missed Block: Turkoglu (1 BLK)
(10:17) [ORL] Battie Rebound (Off:1 Def:4)
(9:56) [ORL 75-66] Hill Jump Shot: Made (13 PTS) Assist: Battie (1 AST)
(9:33) [DAL 68-75] Stackhouse Jump Shot: Made (9 PTS)
(9:17) [ORL] Turkoglu Turnover: Bad Pass (2 TO)
(9:03) [ORL] Battie Foul: Shooting (2 PF)
(9:03) [DAL] Terry Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(9:03) [DAL] Team Rebound
(9:03) [DAL] Nowitzki Substitution replaced by Henderson
(9:03) [DAL 69-75] Terry Free Throw 2 of 2 (5 PTS)
(8:45) [ORL] J. Nelson Driving Layup: Missed
(8:42) [DAL] S. Bradley Rebound (Off:0 Def:4)
(8:22) [DAL] S. Bradley Jump Shot: Missed
(8:20) [ORL] Hill Rebound (Off:2 Def:5)
(8:15) [ORL 77-69] Turkoglu Layup Shot: Made (14 PTS) Assist: Hill (3 AST)
(8:07) [DAL] Henderson Layup Shot: Missed Block: Battie (1 BLK)
(8:06) [ORL] D. Howard Rebound (Off:2 Def:4)
(7:58) [ORL 79-69] J. Nelson Jump Shot: Made (6 PTS) Assist: Turkoglu (2 AST)
(7:57) [DAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(7:57) [DAL] Daniels Substitution replaced by J. Howard
(7:57) [ORL] Turkoglu Substitution replaced by Francis
(7:43) [DAL] S. Bradley Jump Shot: Missed
(7:41) [DAL] J. Howard Tip Shot: Missed
(7:41) [DAL] J. Howard Rebound (Off:5 Def:4)
(7:40) [ORL] Francis Rebound (Off:2 Def:7)
(7:20) [ORL] Francis Driving Layup: Missed
(7:19) [DAL] Henderson Rebound (Off:1 Def:2)
(7:14) [DAL] Stackhouse Layup Shot: Missed
(7:12) [ORL] Hill Rebound (Off:2 Def:6)
(7:02) [ORL] Francis Jump Shot: Missed
(7:00) [DAL] J. Howard Rebound (Off:5 Def:5)
(6:48) [DAL 71-79] Terry Jump Shot: Made (7 PTS)
(6:33) [DAL] Henderson Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(6:33) [DAL] S. Bradley Substitution replaced by Dampier

Erica, it looks like the Mavs did a good job of coming back with Bradley in the game. They shaved a lead of over 20 down into single digits. Much of this was due to the Mavs zone defense which was anchored by Bradley in the middle.

Erica, you've reached your quota for being wrong this week.

[EricaLubarsky]

Erica, you've reached your quota for being wrong this week.

you've run out of your misinterpretation minutes this week. First of all, I said the +/- was wrong because it only covered one significant game. Secondly I said that we obviously didnt do a good job at coming back because we lost and only had a net makeup of 3 points which we quickly lost in the fourth. Thirdly I said that Bradley himself wasnt too effective. None of that you disproved. I'm not denying that there was a ten point swing from when bradley came in to when he went out, but there are other reasons, like improved FG%. You only proved that Bradley played a lot and that we scored at a more efficient clip.

You've run out of stupid half-corrections for the week, Murph. Who will cut you off? No one I guess, but it must suck to really try to make someone look stupid and not quite provide the correct evidence for it.

[madape]

Still trying to find all those many times Francis "embarassed" Shawn...

Here's a wrap up of Francis's action during Shawn's dominance:

(8:37) [ORL] Francis Foul: Personal (3 PF)
(7:29) [ORL 64-45] Francis Free Throw 1 of 2 (15 PTS)
(7:29) [ORL] Francis Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(7:14) [ORL] Francis Timeout: Regular
(7:13) [DAL] Stackhouse Turnover: Bad Pass (4 TO) Steal: Francis (2 ST)
(6:35) [ORL] Francis Turnover: Lost Ball Out of Bounds (2 TO)
(6:24) [ORL] Francis Rebound (Off:1 Def:6)
(5:20) [ORL] Francis Jump Shot: Missed
(4:41) [ORL] Francis Rebound (Off:2 Def:6)
(3:34) [ORL 69-55] Turkoglu Jump Shot: Made (12 PTS) Assist: Francis (7 AST)
(0:00) [ORL] Francis Jump Shot: Missed
(7:57) [ORL] Turkoglu Substitution replaced by Francis
(7:20) [ORL] Francis Driving Layup: Missed
(7:02) [ORL] Francis Jump Shot: Missed

hmmm... lots of missed jump shots. A missed layup. I guess he hit a couple free throws. How embarassing. Shawn should be ashamed of himself.

[sike]

I missed the game, so I'd like to know, how was Damp so ineffective that Nellie pulled him when he grabbed 13 rebounds (6 offensive) in 24min? Was he allowing easy layups, was he getting beat badly by his man? Or could it be that Nellie pulled him because of fouls and the team played well so Bradley stayed in the game? Looking at the box, Shawn did very little in his 15minutes: 4pts, 4rebs, 0 blocks...

I guess my real questions is, "Was Bradley in the game because he was personally playing well or becuase the team started clicking?"

[chumdawg]

Erica, unless you can "pull tape" (seriously) and see something that no one else saw, I suggest you let this argument drop. The defecit was 21, and getting worse, when Shawn came in the game. Before too long it was down to six, thanks to some stifling defense. Few souls dared try to penetrate the fortress that was our interior defense, and those who did were reduced to tossing up rainbows over the outstretched arms of the Mantis. Armed with the knowledge that the goal was safely protected, the guards were able to jump into some passing lanes and create some turnovers.

What could Bradley have done to be "all that effective?" I mean, seriously.