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Old 09-17-2011, 03:14 PM   #41
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Ballsy comeback. Good stuff.
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Gotta credit Romo on this one.

Broken ribs, down by 10, you know pressure is coming on every play. Seriously tough stuff to stand in there and make one good throw after another. If this were week 17 instead of week 2 and if making the playoffs was on the line, we'd be talking about an epic performance.

I won't go so far as to say this was an epic performance, but it was damn good stuff.
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Broken ribs, down by 10, you know pressure is coming on every play. Seriously tough stuff to stand in there and make one good throw after another. If this were week 17 instead of week 2 and if making the playoffs was on the line, we'd be talking about an epic performance.

I won't go so far as to say this was an epic performance, but it was damn good stuff.
That it was. It was a single fractured rib and a punctured lung, but still, quite gutsy!

He is capable of this type of a performance every single week though, which makes games like Week 1 all that more terrible to witness. Hopefully we get more of this and less of the fumbling, blind-throwing, turd of a QB-performance we saw against NY in the 4th quarter.

Given the injuries, we simply must have it to win. With Miles on the shelf now and still no guarantee that Dez is back, he might not even be enough as you still have to have capable receivers that can get separation. Holley showed me a lot (as he did in the preseason for that matter) so he and Ogletree might have to be enough for a while.

Then there is our starting C, RB, CB(s), TE (though he should be fine), among others. We aren't exactly the Chiefs here, but if this keeps up we won't be far from it.

Regardless, as always, Go Cowboys!
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By the way, I would like SOMEONE to try to explain that call just before the kick that sent the game into overtime (the fake handoff/pitch to Miles). Why would you run that play? Not just because Miles hasn't been put in that situation all game. Not just because a pitch is significantly more risky than a hand off in general (in a situation where a fumble is completely inexcusable). Not just because he ran to the left to make the kick even more difficult for Bailey.

No, in general, I just want to know why it is that hard to line up and run the damn ball like any normal team would in that situation. Why is it that hard? Garrett himself said it was a stupid decision that he regrets so it isn't like he is defending the call. The stupid stick doesn't just hit the players from time to time. No, coaches are far from impervious here - especially those that try to be far too cute.

Bottom line - JUST RUN THE DAMN BALL. Line up, much like SF, and punch each other in the damn mouth en route to (hopefully) a positive gain. Either way, drop the cutesy bull shit and stop trying to out think the opposing defense.

Sadly, calls like that make our already mistake-prone players make even more mistakes. Just see the fumble on the pass call from the 2 yard line week 1. I hold Romo far more accountable for that mistake as he has to be intelligent enough to know to throw the damn thing away if there isn't an opening, but still. JUST RUN THE DAMN BALL THREE STRAIGHT TIMES and kick the field goal if you don't punch it through (you know, a FG that would have likely sealed the win).

We should be 2-0 right now. Stupidity all around prevented it. Luckily the skill on this team that I talk about regularly prevented us from being down 0-2. Will the stupidity ever stop or will we just have to hope that week in/week out the skill on this team overcomes the stupidity?

What a sad question to have to ask about your favorite team.
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By the way, I would like SOMEONE to try to explain that call just before the kick that sent the game into overtime (the fake handoff/pitch to Miles). Why would you run that play? Not just because Miles hasn't been put in that situation all game. Not just because a pitch is significantly more risky than a hand off in general (in a situation where a fumble is completely inexcusable). Not just because he ran to the left to make the kick even more difficult for Bailey.

No, in general, I just want to know why it is that hard to line up and run the damn ball like any normal team would in that situation. Why is it that hard? Garrett himself said it was a stupid decision that he regrets so it isn't like he is defending the call. The stupid stick doesn't just hit the players from time to time. No, coaches are far from impervious here - especially those that try to be far too cute.

Bottom line - JUST RUN THE DAMN BALL. Line up, much like SF, and punch each other in the damn mouth en route to (hopefully) a positive gain. Either way, drop the cutesy bull shit and stop trying to out think the opposing defense.

Sadly, calls like that make our already mistake-prone players make even more mistakes. Just see the fumble on the pass call from the 2 yard line week 1. I hold Romo far more accountable for that mistake as he has to be intelligent enough to know to throw the damn thing away if there isn't an opening, but still. JUST RUN THE DAMN BALL THREE STRAIGHT TIMES and kick the field goal if you don't punch it through (you know, a FG that would have likely sealed the win).

We should be 2-0 right now. Stupidity all around prevented it. Luckily the skill on this team that I talk about regularly prevented us from being down 0-2. Will the stupidity ever stop or will we just have to hope that week in/week out the skill on this team overcomes the stupidity?

What a sad question to have to ask about your favorite team.
The simple answer to your question is that the straight-up run play was not likely to gain more than a handful of yards in that situation, while the naked misdirection might have gained significantly more (in terms of field position vis a vis the FG attempt). It was a risk-reward thing. It looks dumb in retrospect, but it would look pretty smart if it went for 15.

And Miles should know the play. It's been in the offense for years.

And on a minor point, I'm pretty sure that a right-footed kicker would prefer the ball on the left hash on a long attempt. They tend to hook the ball when they power through it. From the left hash you can start it at the right post and bring it back in.
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By the way, I would like SOMEONE to try to explain that call just before the kick that sent the game into overtime (the fake handoff/pitch to Miles). Why would you run that play? Not just because Miles hasn't been put in that situation all game. Not just because a pitch is significantly more risky than a hand off in general (in a situation where a fumble is completely inexcusable). Not just because he ran to the left to make the kick even more difficult for Bailey.

No, in general, I just want to know why it is that hard to line up and run the damn ball like any normal team would in that situation. Why is it that hard? Garrett himself said it was a stupid decision that he regrets so it isn't like he is defending the call. The stupid stick doesn't just hit the players from time to time. No, coaches are far from impervious here - especially those that try to be far too cute.

Bottom line - JUST RUN THE DAMN BALL. Line up, much like SF, and punch each other in the damn mouth en route to (hopefully) a positive gain. Either way, drop the cutesy bull shit and stop trying to out think the opposing defense.

Sadly, calls like that make our already mistake-prone players make even more mistakes. Just see the fumble on the pass call from the 2 yard line week 1. I hold Romo far more accountable for that mistake as he has to be intelligent enough to know to throw the damn thing away if there isn't an opening, but still. JUST RUN THE DAMN BALL THREE STRAIGHT TIMES and kick the field goal if you don't punch it through (you know, a FG that would have likely sealed the win).

We should be 2-0 right now. Stupidity all around prevented it. Luckily the skill on this team that I talk about regularly prevented us from being down 0-2. Will the stupidity ever stop or will we just have to hope that week in/week out the skill on this team overcomes the stupidity?

What a sad question to have to ask about your favorite team.
I thought the last drive of regulation was horribly mishandled. I'm not sure why they seemed ok with not being more aggressive and going for a TD especially with their kicking situation.
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The simple answer to your question is that the straight-up run play was not likely to gain more than a handful of yards in that situation, while the naked misdirection might have gained significantly more (in terms of field position vis a vis the FG attempt). It was a risk-reward thing. It looks dumb in retrospect, but it would look pretty smart if it went for 15.

Man, tough to support that line of thinking given the situation. It really is. Nothing against you, but if that is the primary reason - just very stupid. In that situation it is much like the lost FG opportunity due to a risky run by Romo. In that situation, you MUST at least have 3. The more risk you take on the play chosen the more likely you are to fumble or lose significant yardage. Just not smart.

And Miles should know the play. It's been in the offense for years.

Knowing the play because it is technically in the offense does not mean he is comfortable doing it due to very rarely doing it in the past. Just not a smart choice. Garrett said it himself. No real way to defend this (again, nothing against you here).

And on a minor point, I'm pretty sure that a right-footed kicker would prefer the ball on the left hash on a long attempt. They tend to hook the ball when they power through it. From the left hash you can start it at the right post and bring it back in.

I certainly have not noticed that being the norm - long or short. Maybe I have just overlooked that in the past (and I will start looking for it now). I need to go back and look at the replay of Sebastian's 63 yarder for reference. Either way, fair enough.
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I'm not saying I endorse the call. I just tried to explain it with a guess of where they were coming from. I'm sure they were feeling pretty iffy about that long field-goal attempt, and ten more yards would have come in awful handy.
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You know... We might win this game, but damn it we are full of dumb. Costa is running sprints until he pukes his stomach if I were coach. What a dumb ass.
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Fing A Spencer!!! Look who got it too.. God I love Lee - one of the true smart football players on our team!
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...and Damn Bailey! 6-6 in FGs! We needed every damn one of them too.

Thank God for the blocked FG earlier on Gano.
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This win felt so much like a loss... D was great, but we may soon need those defensive players to make it to the end zone on INTs and fumbles.

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Sexy win! Way to fight through everything going against them and gut out the 4th-quarter comeback (be sure to include this one, Romo haters). Can't say enough about Lee. And for that matter, Rob Ryan and the rest of the defense. Don't look now, but these guys are starting to look dangerous. Gimme Scandrick back and a fully healthy Jenkins and Newman, and I think I'm gonna really like it. And my goodness...wait till Bruce Carter joins the fold. (Maybe not till next year, but still.)

The offense needs Austin back in the worst possible way, but kudos to them for stringing together several scoring drives, even if they were just for field goals. How about that box score line for Felix Jones? Take that every single time. Notice the difference a lead blocker makes, even if it is just Fiamatta. Speaking of...I appreciate what he's doing for us, but do we really need to hand it to him on 3rd and 1?

Anyway...love the win, and love it even more since it came against the Redskins.
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Sexy win?

Sanchez, Alex Smith, Grossman, Grossman, Kafka, Kafka, E. Manning, E. Manning, Fitzpatrick, Kolb, T. Jackson, Henne, Bradford.... the Cowboys face a veritable feast of moron QB's. And people want to praise the defense...They've faced three traffic cones so far. I'd say they're about to be exposed but their incredibly lucky schedule counter-indicates it. More traffic cones on the horizon as far as the eye can see.
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It sounds pretty good when you say it like that!
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Not only was Bailey 6-for-6 on FGs. But every kick was right down the middle. Not a single one was questionable. You knew all were good the moment he kicked them.
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(be sure to include this one, Romo haters)
Really? Obviously Romo can play great games. Hell, he can play great seasons. The point is he is so mistake prone he will eventually lose you a game (or games) due to stupidity. That didn't happen tonight any more than it will most nights - but until he proves me wrong, the guy just can't get it done on the biggest stage. I just don't believe anymore that he can lead us to the promised land (a superbowl victory).

Week 1 earned him what the Finals collapse earned Dirk. A "we will never win it all with this guy as our leader" award. I loved Dirk just as I love Tony, but it is what I believed to my core until Dirk actually did it. Hopefully Tony does it too and I get to do a happy dance while eating crow. Until then, please lose the TAKE THAT comments. Hey - I said please.
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I'm very happy with last night's win....last night's sexy, sexy win.

that said, jeez this team has some IQ issues.....

a) snap count -- is this a concept with which the Cowboy's center is not familiar?
b) tashard the retard going out of bounds on that last run, wtf?
c) 1st and goal on the two, now is the time to slam it inside so that at worst you have 2nd and goal from the 2, not run some dipsy doodle play to lose 3 yards;
d) 2 and long, 3 seconds until the 2 minute warning -- the two minute warning is happening regardless of the play, how about a play-action pass here to have a real chance at picking up another first?
e) Marty B;
f) I'm sure there's an 'f' here....it'll come to me.

any way, sexy win in a stupid kind of way.
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oh yeah -- ogletree, it's flat route....it's one of a maybe 8 or 9 routes you have to know, and you have had several seasons to learn these 8 or 9 routes.
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Week 1 earned him what the Finals collapse earned Dirk. A "we will never win it all with this guy as our leader" award. I loved Dirk just as I love Tony, but it is what I believed to my core until Dirk actually did it. Hopefully Tony does it too and I get to do a happy dance while eating crow. Until then, please lose the TAKE THAT comments. Hey - I said please.
To be clear, your point is something along the lines of, "I jumped to a fallacious, incorrect conclusion with Dirk, and I will do the same with Romo until proven wrong"?

That's....interesting.
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I thought Felix did a god-awful job early on. He repeatedly ran into crowds of players instead of taking the open hole. I remember at least 3 runs where if he cut back just a little he would have had a hole open the size of the grand canyon. Very disappointed in him. maybe he just needs more reps? I dont know. Good vision should be natural to a quality back.

Also, get rid of Tashard Choice. He cant run and he doesnt play special teams. USELESS.
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To be clear, your point is something along the lines of, "I jumped to a fallacious, incorrect conclusion with Dirk, and I will do the same with Romo until proven wrong"?

That's....interesting.
6 years of failure up to that point and quite a few years after that to solidify my position (prior to last year) would have provided (and likely did provide) that same conclusion for many, many Mavs fans. Doesn't mean that I and others don't love the guy. Doesn't mean we don't want him to succeed. Doesn't mean we don't blindly hope. Just means that if we had a heart to heart with someone and truly gave our opinion of whether or not we thought he could get it done, the answer would be no (or would have been in Dirk's case).

Plus, let's not forget what got the big German over the hump. Interior defense played by one Tyson Chandler. Sure, #41 was genuinely beastly, but he has been beastly before without getting it done. That happens in team sports and Romo is much more "fail-infused" than Dirk ever was - but my overall stance was/is the same. Neither could win it all - until one did. I hope like hell Romo does too, but let's not act like this conclusion is based entirely on ignorance here - for Romo or for Dirk at the time.

Bottom line, Romo has F'ed up time and time again with mental gaffes that are as large as the grand canyon. Until he proves to me that he can stop that (not stop making mistakes - everyone does that - see Brady week 3) and quit with the insanely stupid decisions, well, let's just say not everyone can be:

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Neither could win it all - until one did. I hope like hell Romo does too, but let's not act like this conclusion is based entirely on ignorance here - for Romo or for Dirk at the time.
Do you not see the problem with offering this as your take? "Neither one could win it all -- until one did"?

That statement carries zero insight. It's not analysis--it's not even an opinion. It's tautology, true by definition. It's the equivalent of saying, "It'll never rain again until it rains." Neat.

This has nothing to do with being a homer. I'm not a huge Romo fan, although I do think he's better than any feasible alternative. I'm taking issue with this construct you've built where you essentially say, "It'll never happen....but maybe possibly I'll be wrong and it will someday." You can't have it both ways. If you really believe it'll never happen (rather than simply being unlikely to happen, which I'd agree with), you don't get an out.
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Do you not see the problem with offering this as your take? "Neither one could win it all -- until one did"?

That statement carries zero insight. It's not analysis--it's not even an opinion. It's tautology, true by definition. It's the equivalent of saying, "It'll never rain again until it rains." Neat.

This has nothing to do with being a homer. I'm not a huge Romo fan, although I do think he's better than any feasible alternative. I'm taking issue with this construct you've built where you essentially say, "It'll never happen....but maybe possibly I'll be wrong and it will someday." You can't have it both ways. If you really believe it'll never happen (rather than simply being unlikely to happen, which I'd agree with), you don't get an out.
You don't get it... I am not saying IT WILL NEVER RAIN... UNTIL IT DOES.

I am saying I GENUINELY BELIEVE IT WILL NEVER RAIN... THEN IT DID.

I then ate crow, happily. That is not straddling a fence. How can I of all people (and with my rant the other day) ever, EVER be taken as someone that is looking for an out? Can you not distinguish the difference here?
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Really? Obviously Romo can play great games. Hell, he can play great seasons. The point is he is so mistake prone he will eventually lose you a game (or games) due to stupidity. That didn't happen tonight any more than it will most nights - but until he proves me wrong, the guy just can't get it done on the biggest stage. I just don't believe anymore that he can lead us to the promised land (a superbowl victory).

Week 1 earned him what the Finals collapse earned Dirk. A "we will never win it all with this guy as our leader" award. I loved Dirk just as I love Tony, but it is what I believed to my core until Dirk actually did it. Hopefully Tony does it too and I get to do a happy dance while eating crow. Until then, please lose the TAKE THAT comments. Hey - I said please.
I'm just saying to be sure you take in the whole body of work when you form judgments, and not fall prety to the kind of bias where you focus on the bad while ignoring the good. Romo has had some gaffes, that's surely true. But he's done a lot of very good things, too. In my mind, he is very much a net positive, and also a guy who I think has all of the ability to get it done on the biggest stage, if he has adequate talent around him. I think the NFL is very much a team game, much more so than the NBA. I don't think there is any QB out there who is getting it done by himself. Hell, Manning is first ballot HOF, right? What he has accomplished? One title...and a whole lot of flameouts. Just sayin'!
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I'm just saying to be sure you take in the whole body of work when you form judgments, and not fall prety to the kind of bias where you focus on the bad while ignoring the good. Romo has had some gaffes, that's surely true. But he's done a lot of very good things, too. In my mind, he is very much a net positive, and also a guy who I think has all of the ability to get it done on the biggest stage, if he has adequate talent around him. I think the NFL is very much a team game, much more so than the NBA. I don't think there is any QB out there who is getting it done by himself. Hell, Manning is first ballot HOF, right? What he has accomplished? One title...and a whole lot of flameouts. Just sayin'!
Trust me man - I fully acknowledge his accomplishments and know we are lucky to have him overall if our goal is to not be that 6-10 group led by INSERT SHITTY QB. He is certainly a top-10 QB in this league and on a given weekend can be the best overall. I do take that into consideration. You may not think I do because of the rant or whatever, but I love this cat man. I really do. It is a love/hate for sure, but I bleed Cowboy colors so when we play I am right there rooting for this team and our QB.

The issue is the fact that I simply do not share the opinion that he has the intestinal fortitude and mental competence to be consistent over the course of a playoff run to win a Super Bowl. A lot of it has to do with this team overall as well. We as a team make far too many mistakes that our leader can't....but he does. So when our team has Cs snapping balls over the head of our QB and has WRs having no clue how to run a standard route leading to turnovers and one of our TEs is, well, FING STUPID and our Offensive Coordinator is a GDAMN IDIOT 50-60% of the time in goal line situations - well, the QB can't also make mistakes. He didn't last week, so we won. But you look at week 1 and he did, so we lost. We win and lose based on Romo's stupidity adding to the team's stupidity and pushing our overall stupid level too far to secure a win or keeping it just shy of a loss.

That is why I think he can't lead us to the promised land primarily. With our team (a team full of STUPID that has SO much physical talent - something I have been saying for years now), the QB has to practically be dumb-free. He can make mistakes, sure, but he can't have the dumb moments that Romo all too often has. You can throw an interception because the defense simply makes a play or because there is a tip at the LOS or whatever. That happens by EVERYONE. But you can't throw the ball right to the defense with 50 seconds left in the game. You can't fumble on a decision that is ignorant at best with a chance to put a nail in the coffin. You can't be stupid.

I get you really like Romo. I get that you are seeing me as someone that probably made a snap decision on the guy given one really painful moment. But all I ask is that you respect my sincere love for this team and the fact that I haven't missed a minute of action for over a decade. My decision wasn't made with a snap judgement - it was made with eyes that have seen the stupidity for years and years and years now (along with his great plays far more often by the way). But with a team constructed with this much stupid, he would have to be perfect and get on a Dirk-like run at the right time with the team also playing with Chandler-like poise/intensity and I just don't see him or the team capable of that. I sincerely do not thing this team wins a Super Bowl with Romo. I wish I didn't feel that way, but I do. Sorry if that offends you or creates controversy with those that love to find a chance to ding me, but it is simply my opinion (despite people that want to say that it doesn't even qualify as that - wtf by the way). We can agree to disagree on this one.

As far as your Manning comment, he does not typically fail due to stupidity. He makes mistakes at times, sure, but far, far more often than not he fails due to his team failing, which is what I wish I could say happens when Dallas typically fails on the biggest stage. We both know some of the key playoff losses are not at that level. Sure, we have had team losses as well (Minnesota, Philly - which wasn't a playoff game but would have led to the playoffs had we won, etc) but other games have truly been lost due to last second Interceptions, unclutch moments, etc (Seattle, NY, countless RS games - remember, we don't exactly have a lot of playoff games to go off of here).

You put Manning on this team and, well, if nothing else - I don't have a belief that the team can't get it done. Manning may only have 1 ring, but the guy will likely retire as the greatest QB of all time when he finally does hang them up. This is a guy that is filled with INTELLIGENCE and not a lick of dumb. If only Romo could play that smart - hell, he would be the best QB in football.
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Yeah...I'm pretty sure your fandom has got the best of you, in an odd sort of way. You put Peyton Manning on this team, and you're pretty much going to get the same thing you have already got.

You "simply do not share the opinion that he has the intestinal fortitude and mental competence to be consistent over the course of a playoff run to win a Super Bowl." I'm saying that you have no ground to stand on. Things like "intestinal fortitude" and "mental competence" may sound quite meaningful when you do your armchair analysis. But how do you measure those? Do you have some sort of scale?

No, I don't believe that you do. Instead, I believe that you measure them after the fact. Wait till the guy shows it, and then say he has it. ... That is entirely useless, in terms of our discussion here.

My sense is that you are chasing a fairy...this great sounding thing, that you can never have.
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